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Non-Sequitur. Circular.Rejecting a concept only requires that you have reasoned that it is false, or that you dislike it (feel or intuit that it is false), or some mixture of the two. Neither reason nor feeling requires free will, culpable or otherwise.
Suggesting that culpability is separate from the concept of rational freedom entirely undermines the very meaning of the word culpability.Are you willing or able to explain why you think so?
If you have free will, then choose to like another pair. Pick a pair that you actively dislike and freely choose to prefer them.
Obviously you can't. Neither can I. I just had coffee with breakfast. There was a choice - Earl Grey tea or coffee. I don't like Earl Grey. I don't know why. It simply tastes revolting to me. I have no control over that whatsoever. It's the way I am built. So my choice was determined by a preference over which I had no control.
There's no free will there.
Which is why I prefer to take a pragmatic stance. Whether we have free will, or merely the perception of it, our subjective opinions don't change fact. However, I find the perception of free will to be more useful than determinism. When I have the attitude that decisions are mine to make, for instance, I've noticed that I make better choices.If true...it changes quite literally nothing, including the persistent and unavoidable perception of free will.
Which is why I prefer to take a pragmatic stance. Whether we have free will, or merely the perception of it, our subjective opinions don't change fact. However, I find the perception of free will to be more useful than determinism. When I have the attitude that decisions are mine to make, for instance, I've noticed that I make better choices.
Exactly.So free will cannot be compatible with determinism. And if existence is deterministic then free will is an illusion.
His position matches mine. I'm not sure I would have started with 'You have a choice' as that in itself implies free will for so many people. Bit otherwise...I don't see anything with which I'd disagree.I just came across this video and it reminded me of this thread, and your position in particular. I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on it.
When you have a choice you always pick that which you prefer. By definition. And you have no choice as to what you prefer. You can't will yourself to prefer X over Y. You can choose to pick X, but then...that's your preference.Wrong free will and determinism can both exist at the same time just at different times some people have a choice which is free will and then at other times there is no free will.
But even forcing yourself to do something that you hate is still a choice.When you have a choice you always pick that which you prefer. By definition. And you have no choice as to what you prefer. You can't will yourself to prefer X over Y. You can choose to pick X, but then...that's your preference.
There's literally no way out of this. Even choosing something that you don't want to do, like going for a run when it's cold and wet, is still your preference - because you want to maintain your fitness and that outweighs sitting on the couch with a beer watching the game.
You make the choice. But whatever you choose is your preference. I hate running when it's cold and wet. But I prefer that to not keeping fit.But even forcing yourself to do something that you hate is still a choice.
So what you are saying is that you cannot make a choice against your preference ?You make the choice. But whatever you choose is your preference. I hate running when it's cold and wet. But I prefer that to not keeping fit.
Your choice is your preference. By definition. It's nonsensical to say that you can choose what you don't prefer.So what you are saying is that you cannot make a choice against your preference ?
I understand what you are saying but I disagree you can do something that you don't prefer it's possible.Your choice is your preference. By definition. It's nonsensical to say that you can choose what you don't prefer.
Can you give me an example?I understand what you are saying but I disagree you can do something that you don't prefer it's possible.
I would hate to eat a salad but I would be able to take a bite from it and eat a little bit of it.Can you give me an example?
So now we ask what would be the reason for eating something you disliked. Which would be?I would hate to eat a salad but I would be able to take a bite from it and eat a little bit of it.
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