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I still choose to sin because sin is still at work in my body. Though my nature has been changed, my vessel remains weak. And yes, obviously, when I choose to sin it's because I freely seek to submit to my flesh instead of my new nature.
How's that?
Seeing as how many do, in fact, perish, what does it mean to you that God isn't "willing" that any should perish?
It came from the Lord today that these kinds of question/answer games can be used by the enemy to groom people by dragging them down into the labyrinth of the carnal logical mind in order to finally plant a false seed/word there, once they get around to bringing out their point. So I decline to participate in that, but try to remain in the mind of Christ, and advise others to do the same. Thank you Father for your light, without which we would all be lost, and sadly many are.
But this was Lucifer's pride and folly, wasn't it, he thought he knew better than God......who then tempted Adam and Eve at the Tree of Knowledge to become like him.
We are not to lean on our own understanding, but just receive the word of God by revelation, by HIS Spirit, His light...........no mental effort needed, just believe and receive. Don't expect it will be heeded by some, but the carnal mind is ENMITY with God, as I think someone already pointed out. Please count me out of here, thanks.
Very well then, I wish you the best in your quest for answers to the questions you asked.
Then why are you acting as if you don't need to keep His commandments to have His truth in you?
Is there any difference of a student answering every question and answering every question perfectly?
You can't provide any passage which says keep His commandments perfectly, and you know it. You made this up so you can make your own rules. We all will be waiting for you to provide such a passage.
And since you don't believe perfectly, why should you get eternal life? You have failed and come up short in believing, according to your Reformed theory.
So, you weren't passive.
It doesn't say to His followers; it says to those who do good. Read it again, and this time with the right words.
John says those who do righteousness are righteous. Passive people don't DO anything, remember. Surely you know that. Maybe you changed that in your Bible also.
And what wrong with being worthy of Jesus?
Matthew 10:38
And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
Again, passive people aren't worthy of Jesus.
Really? The Reformed say you can't act contrary to your nature. Does your own belief confuse you?
So you aren't a new creature; you are the same old creature which obeys sin.
Since you can't obey 'perfectly' with a new heart, how do we know you have a new heart?
Actually, if you knew Jesus' words, you would know they were passive and didn't repent.
So you have a part in sanctification.
Since you have a part in sanctification, and you are saved through sanctification, you surely do have a part in salvation.
Please count me out of here, thanks.
Hello everyone. I was hoping to get some insight into other's perspective on the will of man. So, after a rather unenlightening conversation with someone on a different thread, I thought I'd pose some questions here to see if I can find the root of the disagreements.
I thought it might be helpful if we start at the beginning of the creation account of mankind. When Adam and Eve were created, were they created with a nature predisposed to sin, i.e., a sin nature? Were they created with a will, i.e., were they volition creatures upon creation? If so, was that will free? If free, what types of choices were they able to make, e.g., sinful, not sinful, both, only one or the other, etc.? What influences, pre-Fall, would contribute to the choices they made. When Adam and Eve chose to rebell against God and were cast from the garden of Eden, did anything happen to change their constituent nature or did they remain the same?
That's probably a good start. Hopefully, there will be room and interest for follow up questions. I look forward to your answers.
God bless
Adam and Eve were free to obey God's will or to reject it, just as we are.
God gives us free will because he wants our love. Without free will love is not possible.
I'm not. Never said that. Never thought it. You wanna move on from what was clearly a gross mischaracterization on your part or did you want to keep beating this dead horse?
Sure. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said so, like most of the other nonsense you keep spouting, it is a waste of time. God doesn't command us to make an attempt at keeping His commandments. He demands perfect obedience.
So, in answer to your ridiculous question that does not parallel what we were talking about, yes, there is a difference between a student answering every question and a student answering every question perfectly. There is not, however, a difference between the admonishment to "keep His commandments" and that of "keep His commandments perfectly." Just. Like. I. Said.
So you don't believe there was actually any change to the constituent nature of man following the Fall?
Okay, so let's explore this scenario you've constructed. Everyone has the all powerful "free will." God wants us to love Him.
Some people choose to love Him. Some people choose to reject Him. What accounts for the difference?
What does God command concerning His commandments? You still haven't shown us in the Bible where God demands 'perfect' obedience. If you can't show us, then you are making this up.
You have a messed-up belief system if you think we have to keep His commandments 'perfectly'.
So you aren't a new creature; you are the same old creature which obeys sin. Did God not do a good job in creating a new heart in you? Did God not do this 'perfectly'?
Since you can't obey 'perfectly' with a new heart, how do we know you have a new heart?
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