Four Other Reasons Not To See The Passion

[bigsierra]

megsmom_1999, What an awesome list.

 

[Slave2SinNoMore]

This movie is of the Devil. It was hard for me to accept at first but now i see.

Do you mind if I ask what makes this movie "of the devil"?

 

[jons911]

reasons to not see the movie--
1) You will feel compelled to spend hours on CF posting to see if others were moved as strongly as you were
2) You will run up your phone bill calling people and telling them to go see the movie
3) Your knees begin to ache from all the time spent on them praising God for His awesome gift and apologizing for being such a sinner
4) You will find yourself mumbling over & over He did that for ME, He did that for ME, with an awestruck look upon your face
5) You find yourself staying up into the wee hours of the night missing out on precious sleep because of #3 or spending time studying the Bible.

Good reasons not the see the movie

 

[ceasetoexist]

Do you mind if I ask what makes this movie "of the devil"?

isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else. I will not share my praise with carved idols

Deuteronomy 4:23 So be careful not to break the covenant the Lord your God has made with you. You will break it if you make idols of any shape or form, for the Lord your God has absolutely forbidden this.

God has made it quite clear we are to have no images, statues or any shapes that represent Him. This is not stuff I am saying, it is the word of God.

 

[Slave2SinNoMore]

Actors portraying the Lord are not idols. Idols are things people worship. No one walks out of a play or a movie about Jesus praising and worshipping the actor who played Jesus. I saw "The Passion Of The Christ" and I praise and worship Jesus for what he did for me, not Jim Caviezel.

Actors who portray the Lord cause people to reflect upon the goodness of the Lord Jesus, not the goodness of the actor himself.

Here is the definition of "idol" from dictionary.com:

i·dol n.

1. 1. An image used as an object of worship.
   2. A false god.

One that is adored, often blindly or excessively.

 

[Svt4Him]

isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else. I will not share my praise with carved idols

Deuteronomy 4:23 So be careful not to break the covenant the Lord your God has made with you. You will break it if you make idols of any shape or form, for the Lord your God has absolutely forbidden this.

God has made it quite clear we are to have no images, statues or any shapes that represent Him. This is not stuff I am saying, it is the word of God.

I bet you're the life of the party at Christmas school plays.

As for the gore, the Bible tells us that the Messiah would be “marred more than any man.”

 

[ceasetoexist]

slave2sinnomore: It is true you may not worship the actor. But God has stated that he wants no images of Him. God is beyond imagination, Jesus tells us to hear the word so that we may see. We are to see with our hearts not our eyes, and although that may be the definition in the dictionary, the dictionary will not save our souls. Gods word alone can do that, we should always pray when we are making a decision that seems controversial to some beleivers as this movie has caused. God will open your spiritual eyes to the truth as he has done to me. I am not claiming to be smart or intellectual, God has shown me the truth to the word and for me to spread it. It is easy to get caught up with what we think God wants us to do, while the truth lies in God and nowhere else
peace

 

[jons911]

ceasetoexist:

Can you show me the Scripture where it says that? I really don't know and am curious...

And Scripture that talks about idols is different than here - we aren't worshipping the movie or the actors, as you understand.

Jon

 

[Slave2SinNoMore]

Actually, did God state that he wants no images of him, or did he state he wanted no "idols"? Definition does make a difference.

Also, did you realize that your post seems to have an element of "spiritual elitism"? It seems as if you think God has granted you a monopoly on the truth on this matter. If that is not what you intended, maybe you should read the post again, and you might see that it does appear that way.

You think God told you not to see this movie. But I think God has blessed my spirit greatly because of this movie. You have no idea of how deep my faith is in God, so you can't judge whether it's right for me to see this movie (especially since there is no Biblical mandate against actors portraying Christ). I can't judge your relationship with God, either, so I can't say that God didn't tell you not to see. It may not be the best movie for you to see, and there may be a reason God doesn't want you to see it. But I have no such conviction from God.

 

[ceasetoexist]

Slave2sinnomore: I have written down these passages in which God has stated against such acts. If I have come across as elite, please forgive me. I know that I am no better than anyone else, and no one knows why God will show certain people things at certain times. But we do need to speak up if something has contradicted the word of God. This actor is portraying Jesus is a man, therefore giving glory through the actor. God does not do this, it is the word that he will spiritually guide people, not images. I realized after I saw the movie, in the back of my mind i had started to associate the actor with Jesus and this is completly wrong. I suggest that you take a picture of the actor on the cross from the movie. Take that picture and stomp on it, burn it, spit on it. Does this cause you to feel remorse? It shouldn't, and if it does, then something is wrong.

 

[Slave2SinNoMore]

Slave2sinnomore: I have written down these passages in which God has stated against such acts. .

No you did not. You quoted the passages against making idols. And I showed you the English definition of idol. Now, you may not like that definition, but it is the definition, and when the translaters translated from Aramaic/Hebrew into English they of course had to know the definitions of the English words in order to translate one word into another.

 

[jons911]

Sorry, ceasetoexist, for asking about the Scriptures to be posted. I had thought you meant you had Scripture where God said not to make an image of Him, not to make and worship idols.

As we've mentioned, we aren't worshipping the image of Jesus on the movie screen; we worship the real Jesus. The movie screen just gives us the visual portayal of the terrible final 12 hours of Jesus' life.

Caviezel just portrays Jesus as a man. He doesn't claim to be Jesus. Nobody I know worships him.

 

[ufonium2]

Ceasetoexist,

What is your view on the nature of Christ? Maybe that's the difference. In my church, as well as in many others, we are taught the Jesus was fully human and fully divine. It's his humanity that allows us to make representations of him. That's why there are stained glass windows of Jesus but not of God the Father.

 

[ceasetoexist]

Slave2sinnomore: I have posted 2 scriptures referring to God's forbidance of idols or images. If the words from the bible do not convince us, then nothing else in the world can. The dictionary has no salvation in it. We must read the bible and listen to what God will tell us. Jesus is not open for interpretation. His image is not up for us to decide.
Revelation 22:18-19 And i soemnly declare to everyone who hears the prophetic words of this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. And if anyone removes any of the words of this prophetic book, God will remove that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

God clearly states the bible is the ultimate truth. Hollywood is not an exception, Jesus' life was recorded in the bible and no director, producer, actor can change that. Changing it can involve an image of Christ. Please before you post back, pray and ask God about it is what you think. Were all on the same page here dude

 

[Slave2SinNoMore]

Slave2sinnomore: I have posted 2 scriptures referring to God's forbidance of idols or images.

Here are the verses you posted:

Isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else. I will not share my praise with carved idols

Deuteronomy 4:23 So be careful not to break the covenant the Lord your God has made with you. You will break it if you make idols of any shape or form, for the Lord your God has absolutely forbidden this.

Now, where are "images" mentioned? Images and idols are not the same thing. That's the dividing issue right there. Until we both agree on the issue of what an idol is, we'll never be on teh same page about this issue.

 

[beagleracing]

The worst reason for me to see this movie:

- spending money to see it over and over with friends

 

[jons911]

LOL beagleracing....

I know *exactly* what you are talking about... I've already been 2 times since it opened, and there are atleast two more screenings within the next week...

 

[KennySe]

Another reason not to see the movie...

the movie says there is an evil one named Satan, and everybody knows he doesn't really exist.

(Heavy sarcasm, folks.)

 

[jons911]

Are you saying there is an evil force out there that wants to steal from me, kill my friends and family, and destroy hopes for a future in heaven? And that same force doesn't want me to see this movie?!

 

[The Simpleton]

Art is a gift from God, but this doesn't mean we can't abuse it. And whether or not I think if Jesus should be portrayed by man is not important. Gods word is the ultimate end and what we may think about something has no relavance. I have seen some of you posting that we are in the times of the tribulation. A time when devil has control over the world. What better way to deceive believers than through their own beliefs. Satan knows this, and has tried to use it against us. I urge you not to promote this movie as anything to do with God. This movie is of the Devil. It was hard for me to accept at first but now i see.

Luke 11, 17-18

17Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. 18If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand?

Mark 9, 39-40
39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us.



This movie shines a light on the greatest defeat in Santen’s war for our souls. It glorifies Gods love and the great sacrifice that Christ willingly made for you and me. I know you mean well but I find it hard to believe that you really take offence to something that glorifies Christ’s sacrifice the way this move does.

As Christians, we see the cross and hear about the crucifixion so much that I think it desensitizes some to the awesome sacrifice that Christ really made. That’s why this movie is so important. The movie was made by men and nothing men make is perfect but I believe that Gods hand is on this film. It was time for Christians to be reminded of what Christ really did for them. Santen is not happy that this film was made.