Found this article, what do you think?

[AdamClarke]

I found this article while researching the thesis that same-sex marriage is a civil rights issue in the same vein as the Civil Righes movement of the 60's. I would be interested in your opinions and thoughts on this article from the largest predominantly African American denomination in the U.S.

http://www.cogic.com/highjacking-the-civil-rights-movement.html

 

[Beanieboy]

Civil Rights aren't "black" Civil Rights.

 

[Polycarp1]

"We deserve equal rights, but you don't." Notice any problem with that sentence?

 

[AdamClarke]

Please note I'm not saying I agree with the article, but I thought it important to seek out what Christian African Americans have to say about the issue.

 

[AdamClarke]

Civil Rights aren't "black" Civil Rights.

I agree but I don't think that is the point they are trying to make.

 

[AdamClarke]

"We deserve equal rights, but you don't." Notice any problem with that sentence?

I don't believe that is the crux of their argument though. I believe what they are trying to point out is that being black does not equal being homosexual. Obviously the author of this piece believes that equating the color of ones skin to a behavior (homosexual sex acts) is inappropriate.

 

[Polycarp1]

I don't believe that is the crux of their argument though. I believe what they are trying to point out is that being black does not equal being homosexual. Obviously the author of this piece believes that equating the color of ones skin to a behavior (homosexual sex acts) is inappropriate.

Well, you know the most hardcore of racists never had any problem with blasck people being black -- it was that obnoxious behavior of wanting to send their kids to the good schools reserved for whites, ride the buses in whatever seats they chose, eating at the same restaurants as white folk -- all those behaviors, that irked the racists.

I admit that the parallel isn't precise -- but anyone who's been paying attention to what the gay people have been saying who continues to claim that it's purely the idea of gay sex acts that is at issue, is just plain playing games.

 

[AdamClarke]

Well, you know the most hardcore of racists never had any problem with blasck people being black -- it was that obnoxious behavior of wanting to send their kids to the good schools reserved for whites, ride the buses in whatever seats they chose, eating at the same restaurants as white folk -- all those behaviors, that irked the racists.

I admit that the parallel isn't precise --

It isn't even close. I don't know of anyone who is asking that homosexuals sit at the back of the bus, or go to different schools or eat in different restaurants.

but anyone who's been paying attention to what the gay people have been saying who continues to claim that it's purely the idea of gay sex acts that is at issue, is just plain playing games.

Do you honestly believe that the African American community hasn't been paying attention or considered the arguments carefully? They are only a generation removed from very real discrimination themselves. To imply or to state that they are playing games I feel is selling them a little short. I find their opinion on the issue valuable if not completely logical.

 

[SughaNSpice]

Minorities come many forms.

It is very sad that this person is so eager to embrace and justify the very same bigotry that confronted black people in this country.

"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King, Jr., said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere' ... I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.

Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Georgia, and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own

We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny... I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be. I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy

We have a lot of work to do in our common struggle against bigotry and discrimination. I say 'common struggle,' because I believe very strongly that all forms of bigotry & discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere. Freedom from discrimination based on sexual orientation is surely a fundamental human right in any great democracy, as much as freedom from racial, religious, gender, or ethnic discrimination

Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."
-Coretta Scott King

 

[SughaNSpice]

It isn't even close. I don't know of anyone who is asking that homosexuals sit at the back of the bus, or go to different schools or eat in different restaurants.

"No parallels between movements for rights is exact. African-Americans are the only Americans who were enslaved for more than two centuries, and people of color carry the badge of who we are on our faces. But we are far from the only people suffering discrimination -- sadly, so do many others. They deserve the law's protection and they deserve civil rights too. Sexual disposition parallels race -- I was born black and I had no choice. I couldn't and wouldn't change if I could. Like race, our sexuality isn't a preference -- it is immutable, unchangeable, and the Constitution protects us against prejudices based on immutable differences"
-Julian Bond - Chair of the NAACP


It seems that the leaders of the civil rights movement don’t’ support the premise of the essay you linked us to – and they don’t support your desire to use them to justify your own prejudices either

 

[Inviolable]

I agree with the article.

My sig says it all

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[platzapS]

I agree with the article.

My sig says it all

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Gays are not going to eat you, or cause you any other harm, if you let them marry.

 

[Inviolable]

Gays are not going to eat you, or cause you any other harm, if you let them marry.

Dude,

That clears up so much!
I do have a question or two.
OK so homosexuals aren't cannibals by nature but like, what if there's a plane crash in the alps? Will they overcome the desire to survive and not eat a frozen corpse?

 

[lawtonfogle]

I don't believe that is the crux of their argument though. I believe what they are trying to point out is that being black does not equal being homosexual. Obviously the author of this piece believes that equating the color of ones skin to a behavior (homosexual sex acts) is inappropriate.

There are some things similar, there are some things different. If one is insisting they are the same, then that person really is being idiotic. The question is on where each issue falls. Is this something they are alike in, or different, and thus do they make a good or bad analogy?

 

[lawtonfogle]

Dude,

That clears up so much!
I do have a question or two.
OK so homosexuals aren't cannibals by nature but like, what if there's a plane crash in the alps? Will they overcome the desire to survive and not eat a frozen corpse?

Some will, some won't. Few people have faced that, of them some chose death, some chose life, cannibalism.

So, what does this have to do with gays. I mean, unless you think there will be a threat to your life if you aren't gay, though really it is been shown to be the other way around a couple of time already...

 

[Inviolable]

Some will, some won't. Few people have faced that, of them some chose death, some chose life, cannibalism.

So, what does this have to do with gays. I mean, unless you think there will be a threat to your life if you aren't gay, though really it is been shown to be the other way around a couple of time already...

It's a metaphor that represents what the article is saying.
In contrast the wolf is the corruption of the moral status used to generate equal rights for the African American movement that took place in the 60's.

While the three little pigs represent the morality itself as it is in danger of being devoured by the wolf.

Or something like that.

I'd rather go back to the plane crash in the alps.
So while some homosexuals may or may not eat a frozen corpse, would any of them think about taking some frozen corpse to go while they make their way down the mountain in an effort to find help?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

"We deserve equal rights, but you don't." Notice any problem with that sentence?

If they're Christians, there is no equality of same-gender marriage and marriage as Jesus taught.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

And we needed another gay thread why?

 

[Inviolable]

And we needed another gay thread why?

The article in question is a good one. It's informative and well thought out.
Or informative because it's well thought out.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Gays are not going to eat you, or cause you any other harm, if you let them marry.

There is an 800-pound gorilla in the room and no one is allowed to talk about it.