Fossils ?

[TheBeardedDude]

I would be interested to know how many real fossils as a rule,like human fossils or donosaur fossils you have found just lying around that you have been lucky to stumble across - twinc

I've never collected hominid fossils, but I have collected tools like arrowheads.

My shelf beside my desk is full of fossils though. I have gastroliths from dinosaurs that I collected in the Morrison Fm in Wyoming, some other gastroliths I collected from the Morrison in Arizona, a clam from the Coon Creek Fm just outside of Parsons, TN that is from the Cretaceous, gastropods and brachiopods from the Hamilton Fm in New York, and a chunk of rock that contains mainly bryozoans from the Devonian Ross Fm also near Parsons, TN.

These are just some of the fossils I have in my office for teaching purposes and for demonstration. And this list is also limited to the ones I have personally collected.

 

[Loudmouth]

after,all else is said and done ad infinitum and ad absurdum ,the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of fossils are found,as if suddenly buried in sedimentary rock layers laid down by water all over the earth = 75% of the earths surface - twinc

Anoxic aquatic environments are the most conducive to fossilization, so it is hardly surprising that most of the fossils we have come from environments that are most conducive to fossilization. Even though there were billions of passenger pigeons at one time, we only have a handful of passenger pigeon fossils.

Also, finding fossils from past aquatic environments in no way indicates a global flood.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

Was there a reason for the question other than general curiosity?

 

[Naraoia]

Anoxic aquatic environments are the most conducive to fossilization, so it is hardly surprising that most of the fossils we have come from environments that are most conducive to fossilization. Even though there were billions of passenger pigeons at one time, we only have a handful of passenger pigeon fossils.

Also, finding fossils from past aquatic environments in no way indicates a global flood.

In fact, isn't the fossil record quite heavily biased towards creatures that lived in or near water? That should not be the case if it was all buried by a flood that covered everything.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

In fact, isn't the fossil record quite heavily biased towards creatures that lived in or near water? That should not be the case if it was all buried by a flood that covered everything.

It's also biased towards organisms with hard parts. The soft-bodied faunas are rare. If a flood had deposited all of it, there should be a lot of soft-bodied material.

 

[twinc]

In fact, isn't the fossil record quite heavily biased towards creatures that lived in or near water? That should not be the case if it was all buried by a flood that covered everything.

it was not the flood water that buried the dead things but the sediment carried by the flood water - twinc

 

[Subduction Zone]

it was not the flood water that buried the dead things but the sediment carried by the flood water - twinc

Even so there should be many more land animals and also many soft bodied animal castings if they were deposited by your "flood sediments". Worse yet the sorting of fossils cannot be explained by any creationist mechanisms. Yet they fit the evolutionary paradigm perfectly.

 

[USincognito]

Anoxic aquatic environments are the most conducive to fossilization...

I believe the Messel pit is a particularly rich example of this fact.

 

[USincognito]

it was not the flood water that buried the dead things but the sediment carried by the flood water - twinc

How do you know that, and how do you differentiate between normal marine sediment, normal non-marine aquatic sediment and Flood sediment?

 

[twinc]

How do you know that, and how do you differentiate between normal marine sediment, normal non-marine aquatic sediment and Flood sediment?

sedimentary rock layers all over the earth - wincam

 

[BarryDesborough]

sedimentary rock layers all over the earth - wincam

Details please.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

I guess we are just ignoring me and my replies now...

 

[AirPo]

sedimentary rock layers all over the earth - wincam

That doesn't answer the question "How do you know the fiierence...?"

 

[TheBeardedDude]

Ever seen pictures of the Checkerboard Mesa in Zion National Park? That is an example of a terrestrial sand dune deposit. So, sedimentary does not equal deposition by water. It means either means physical components of another preexisting rock that have been eroded, transported, and deposited by some means (such as wind, water, or gravity) that are then compacted and cemented together (although sometimes, like for the checkerboard mesa, there is no cement and the grains are just held in a pressure solution.)

There is another type of sedimentary rock called a chemical sedimentary rock which is the result of mineral deposition either in a fluid medium or from the evaporation of a fluid medium. So, salt deposits like those underneath Syracuse, NY (called Salt City for a reason) that are the result of ancient evaporation.

 

[twinc]

I guess we are just ignoring me and my replies now...

via google just type in [Fossils] and click - twinc

 

[TheBeardedDude]

via google just type in [Fossils] and click - twinc

via google just type in [troll] and click

 

[TheBeardedDude]

I give you sincere replies and answers and I get hogwash.

 

[twinc]

Ever seen pictures of the Checkerboard Mesa in Zion National Park? That is an example of a terrestrial sand dune deposit. So, sedimentary does not equal deposition by water. It means either means physical components of another preexisting rock that have been eroded, transported, and deposited by some means (such as wind, water, or gravity) that are then compacted and cemented together (although sometimes, like for the checkerboard mesa, there is no cement and the grains are just held in a pressure solution.)

There is another type of sedimentary rock called a chemical sedimentary rock which is the result of mineral deposition either in a fluid medium or from the evaporation of a fluid medium. So, salt deposits like those underneath Syracuse, NY (called Salt City for a reason) that are the result of ancient evaporation.

via google just type in [Flood/Sedimentary rock layers]click and take your pick - wincam

 

[twinc]

That doesn't answer the question "How do you know the fiierence...?"

via google just type in [Flood/Sedimentary rock layers] click and take your pick - twinc

 

[TheBeardedDude]

via google just type in [Flood/Sedimentary rock layers]click and take your pick - wincam

What? Are you trying to be thick?