Fossils on mountains and the hydroplate theory

[Loudmouth]

I was providing an overview. I cannot go into all the details. This is a thread on how fossils came on the top of mount everest.

First of all, they aren't on top of Mt. Everest. They are IN Mt. Everest. They are part of very large limestone deposits that make up the mountain. It isn't as if they are just dusted on top of the mountain. They are found in the MIDDLE of the mountain. How does a flood do that? Here is a picture of what I am talking about:

That is a huge limestone deposit that is hundreds of feet thick. How does a flood do that in a single year? Why would it neatly pile the deposit on top of the mountain instead of dusting the entire outside of the mountain like snow?

You made the statement: Can you name one creationist "theory" that does not require a violation of known physical laws, or God making fake evidence? I answered your contention, or at least I think i did. I am not a native english speaker, so I may not percieve underlying ironic tone, if such was in your question.

You weren't able to name a single creationist theory. You only said that you wouldn't accept a theory that included violations of the physical laws, which isn't the same thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is because yours can be shown to be false.

If you consider: 1) allegorizing Genesis 1, and 2) not answering my many challenge threads to be a viable way of "showing my Boolean standards to be false," that's your prerogative.

Convincing me of that is where it gets tough.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why would a flood caused by the supernatural leave no evidence, or produce evidence that is consistent with a lack of a flood?

 

[SkyWriting]

Why would a flood caused by the supernatural leave no evidence, or produce evidence that is consistent with a lack of a flood?

According to scripture......this event had no natural source......it's spelled out:

1. WATER PROVIDED for Jehoshaphat and his allied army (2 Kings 3:16-20)—“Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts.”

So. Here's the data, just on water, you have in your hand:

WATER TURNED TO BLOOD—Water everywhere became BLOOD. The fish died, and the river stank. (Exodus 7:14-25)
RED SEA DIVIDED (Ex. 14:21-31)
DRINKING WATER FIXED—(Ex. 15:23-25)
WATER from the rock at Rephidim (Ex. 17:5-7)
WATER PROVIDED IN DESERT—from the rock, after smitten twice by Moses (Num. 20:7-11)
HAILSTORM destroys the Amorite army in a battle with Joshua (Josh. 10:12-14)
WATER from a hollow place “that is in Lehi” (Judg. 15:19)
THUNDERSTORM causes a panic among the Philistines at Eben-ezer (1 Sam. 7:10-12)
THUNDER and RAIN in harvest at Gilgal (1 Sam. 12:18)
RAIN—in clear response to prophet Elijah’s prayers (1 Kings 18:41-45)
RIVER DIVIDED—Jordan divided by Elijah and Elisha near Jericho (2 Kings 2:7, 8, 14)
WATERS OF JERICHO HEALED by Elisha’s casting salt into them (2 Kings 2:21, 22)

WATER PROVIDED for Jehoshaphat and his allied army (2 Kings 3:16-20)—“Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts.”

JONAH SURVIVED IN THE FISH’S BELLY and safely landed (Jonah 2:1-10)
FISH—the miraculous draught of fishes (Luke 5:4-11)
WATER TURNED TO WINE (John 2:1-11)
FISH—draught of fishes instantly caught at Christ’s instruction (John 21:1-14)
SEA STORM STILLED ON COMMAND (Matt 8:23; Mark 4:37; Luke 8:22)
JESUS WALKS ON SEA (Matt 14:25; Mark 6:48; John 6:15)

So this is the data you have on water. Deal with the properties of water, the reality of the data you have.

 

[Loudmouth]

According to scripture......this event had no natural source......

Doesn't matter. Do you really think that a recent global flood would leave zero evidence in the geologic column, no matter the origin of the water?

 

[SkyWriting]

That is a huge limestone deposit that is hundreds of feet thick. How does a flood do that in a single year?

That looks like an uplift of existing plate. But floods do pile up such deposits, possibly in a few minutes.

 

[SkyWriting]

Doesn't matter. Do you really think that a recent global flood would leave zero evidence in the geologic column, no matter the origin of the water?

It doesn't matter what I believe in faith about the past.
I can never prove it either way.

And my opinion has no effect on the reality anyway.

 

[Goonie]

Doesn't matter. Do you really think that a recent global flood would leave zero evidence in the geologic column, no matter the origin of the water?

Your forgeting if god can cause a global flood supernaturally, he can also hide all the evidence supernaturally.

 

[SkyWriting]

Doesn't matter. Do you really think that a recent global flood would leave zero evidence in the geologic column, no matter the origin of the water?

My imagination
about past events
will have no impact
on what really happened.

 

[SkyWriting]

Your forgeting if god can cause a global flood supernaturally, he can also hide all the evidence supernaturally.

Or leave no traces.....much more likely, because God prefers faith.

28Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
29Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

Leaving clear evidence would be ostentatious.

 

[Loudmouth]

My imagination
about past events
will have no impact
on what really happened.

Do you really think that a recent global flood will leave zero evidence in the geologic record? Yes or no?

 

[James Is Back]

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[twob4me]

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[Subduction Zone]

If you consider: 1) allegorizing Genesis 1, and 2) not answering my many challenge threads to be a viable way of "showing my Boolean standards to be false," that's your prerogative.

Convincing me of that is where it gets tough.

I have answered some of your "challenge threads". They are mostly pure nonsense and not responding to nonsense does not harm my position in any way at all. Most of your so called "challenges" are merely dishonest questions.


We all know that you will not respond to reason. If you were able to respond to reason you would have accepted the theory of evolution long before I joined.

 

[dad]

When Brown describes the geologic column I wonder if it is out of complete ignorance or is he just making stuff up. My guess both.

What was he wrong about?

 

[joshua 1 9]

First of all, they aren't on top of Mt. Everest. They are IN Mt. Everest. They are part of very large limestone deposits that make up the mountain. It isn't as if they are just dusted on top of the mountain. They are found in the MIDDLE of the mountain. How does a flood do that?

However long it took it was a flood that broke up Pangaea. Some believe that there was a lot more water in the atmosphere during the time of the dinosaurs sense they were reptiles and required a very wet atmosphere. Like an Alligator can only survive for a short amount of time outside of water.

 

[Loudmouth]

However long it took it was a flood that broke up Pangaea.

It was a combination of the movement of the mantle and cold slab pull. It has nothing to with flooding.

Some believe that there was a lot more water in the atmosphere during the time of the dinosaurs sense they were reptiles and required a very wet atmosphere. Like an Alligator can only survive for a short amount of time outside of water.

Yeah, which is why we can't find reptiles in the desert . . . OH WAIT, that's not true.

Are you really going to tell us that 99.9% of biologists have all of this wrong, and yet you don't even know that reptiles live in deserts?

 

[RickG]

What was he wrong about?

It being a result of Noah's flood.

 

[non-conformist]

Apparently, parts of the earth has strata which is 30 miles thick.

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1950/JASA3-50Kulp.html

Kulps paper, on the referenced web page, was written in 1950.

Does anyone know whether even thicker deposits have been discovered?

 

[RickG]

Apparently, parts of the earth has strata which is 30 miles thick.

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1950/JASA3-50Kulp.html

Kulps paper, on the referenced web page, was written in 1950.

Does anyone know whether even thicker deposits have been discovered?

Don't you mean 30 thousand feet?