Fossilized life found in meteors! Groundbreaking!

[Agonaces of Susa]

None of those passages have anything to do with outer space and aliens.

I know and the world knows that those passages and the Holy Bible in general have everything to do with outerspace and aliens.

"Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?" -- Isaiah 60:8

"And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went." -- Ezekial 10:9-11

"Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits." -- Zechariah 5:1-2

"... who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind...." -- Psalm 104:3

"...ye are of this world; I am not of this world." -- Jesus Christ, John 8:23

"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold ...." -- Jesus Christ, John 10:16

"I believe it is time we explored the possibility that UFOs carry the angels of God." -- Barry H. Downing, reverend, 1997

"I wonder if what we now call the UFO reality, and what the Bible calls angels of God, are not the same reality. If this is true, then we humans have a lot of thinking to do." -- Barry H. Downing, reverend, 1997

Believing In Aliens Not Opposed To Christianity Vatican Top Astronomer Says, Catholic News Agency, May 2008

Thavis, J., Vatican Astronomer Says If Aliens Exist, They May Not Need Redemption, Catholic News Service, May 2008

Vatican Astronomer Cites Possibility of Extraterrestrial 'Brothers', The New York Times, May 2008

Willey, D., Vatican Says Aliens Could Exist, BBC, May 2008

The Vatican: It's OK To Believe In Aliens, AP via MSNBC, May 2008

Vatican: It's OK For Catholics To Believe In Aliens, Fox News, May 2008

ET Poses No Problem For Vatican, Reuters via New Scientist, May 2008

Popham, P., Pope's Astronomer Insists Alien Life 'Would Be Part of God's Creation', The Independent, May 2008

The first quote refers to a type of thinking (heavenly thinking as opposed to earthly thinking), the second refers to other people in general (whether they be fourth century blacksmiths, twelfth century farmers, twenty-first century business people or whoever, i.e. others not present at the time of Christ) and the third does not mean that God lives in outer space, nor is there any justification for 'planets = mansions' - your additions in square brackets are simply wrong and misleading.

The rest of the world disagrees with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZ2xve0zzI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAdMk_zpo20

 

[MoonLancer]

I know and the world knows that those passages and the Holy Bible in general have everything to do with outerspace and aliens.

Its times like these i pitty you.

So does any other creationist want to chime in? otherwise I assume that you guys believe this as well.

 

[rjc34]

...

Who cares what the vatican thinks of aliens? The catholic church also accepts evolution, but I guess you're picking and choosing which parts of catholic doctrine you want to believe.

 

[Chesterton]

So does any other creationist want to chime in? otherwise I assume that you guys believe this as well.

No, it doesn't work that way.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

I have faith that there's a Flying Spaghetti Monster that has a stripper factory and a beer volcano waiting for me in heaven. Luckily for this natural world reality isn't warped by what people choose to believe.

You'd have to in order to have faith in biological evolution.

Faith is not a virtue, it's a delusion.

"Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.'" -- Max Planck, physicist, 1932

Every scientist was a creationist until about the late 18th century when alternative theories began to arise to explain the origins of the diversity of life.

That is a faith based belief based upon ignorance of the historical record.

Anaximander, Empedocles, Epicurus, & Theodorus the Atheist were all atheists.

"He [Anaximander] said ... that mankind was at the beginning very like another animal, to wit, a fish." -- Hippolytus, priest, Refutation of All Heresies, 2nd century

When Darwin published his groundbreaking book On The Origin Of Species, it was met with incredulity and contest.

That's because some people had less devolved brains in the Victorian Age.

"I believe that the more thoroughly science is studied the further does it take us from anything comparable to atheism." -- Lord Kelvin, physicist, March 1887

"We must pause, face to face with the mystery and miracle of the creation of living creatures." -- Lord Kelvin, physicist, 1893

"Is there anything so absurd as to believe that a number of atoms by falling together of their own accord could make a crystal, a sprig moss, a microbe, and a living animal?" -- Lord Kelvin, physicist, 1903

"Science positively affirms creative power. ... we are absolutely forced by science to admit and believe with absolute confidence in a Directive Power -- in an influence other than physical, or dynamical, or electrical forces." -- Lord Kelvin, physicist, The Times, May 1903

"Forty years ago I asked [Justus Von] Liebig, walking somewhere in the country, if he believed that the grass and flowers which we saw around us grew by mere chemical force. He answered: 'No! no more than I could believe that a book of botany describing them could grow by mere chemical forces.' Every action of human free-will is a miracle to physical and chemical and mathematical science." -- Lord Kelvin, physicist, The Times, May 1903

"... I am a firm believer in design." -- Lord Kelvin, physicist, Autumn 1903

"Let it not be imagined that any hocus-pocus of electricty or viscous fluids will make a living cell." -- Lord Kelvin, physicist, October 23rd 1904

A huge quantity of scientists attempted to break it or disprove it, and yet even when they set out to falsify it, they always came out with even more proof for the theory!

"Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme." -- Karl Popper, philosopher, 1976

Along with the theory of atoms and the germ theory of disease, evolution is science fact.

You say that because you're a fundamentalist.

It is a scientific fact that archaea and cyanobacteria have not evolved a single cell over billion year timeframes.

Watch that video I linked you, maybe you'll understand.

Watch this:

YouTube - Dr. David Berlinski: Math and Darwinian Evolution (Part 2)

Well you're definitely going to have to cite that, because even after working 10 minutes of google-fu I haven't come up with anything close to that. I hope you realize he was an agnostic atheist, just as most of us atheists are. (IE he did not believe in a theistic god, but did not make a knowledge claim that one did not exist) Here, let me give you some juicy quotes expressing Carl Sagan's view on religion and faith.

"The major religions on the Earth contradict each other left and rightYou can't all be correct. And what if all of you are wrong? It's a possibility, you know. You must care about the truth, right? Well, the way to winnow through all the differing contentions is to be skeptical. I'm not any more skeptical about your religious beliefs than I am about every new scientific idea I hear about. But in my line of work, they're called hypotheses, not inspiration and not revelation." [Dr. Arroway in Carl Sagan's Contact (New York: Pocket Books, 1985), p. 162. ]
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." [Carl Sagan]
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or you can inoculate....Try science." [Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World, p. 30]

"Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of science?" [Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark]

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." [Carl Sagan]

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.)" [Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection]

"I maintain there is much more wonder in science than in pseudoscience. And in addition, to whatever measure this term has any meaning, science has the additional virtue, and it is not an inconsiderable one, of being true." [Carl Sagan, The Burden Of Skepticism]

"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." [Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP keynote address]

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe. [Dr. Arroway in Carl Sagan's Contact" (New York: Pocket Books, 1985]

I think that last one describes you perfectly. And again, here's my source.

It's a scientific historical fact that Carl Sagan attended a Christian Church every single Sunday in Ithaca New York. I know because my friend Zach was there with him and his family.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

So does any other creationist want to chime in? otherwise I assume that you guys believe this as well.

I refer you to the beliefs of creationists you are deliberately ignoring posted above.

"... the sixteenth century, an age -- as you must have been told at school -- when it was the great fashion among poets to make the denizens and powers of higher worlds descend on earth and mix freely with mortals...." -- Fyodor Dostoyevsky, author, The Brothers Karamazov, 1880

"Included in Biblical mythology was the belief that the Biblical people were frequently visited by superior beings from another world." -- Barry H. Downing, reverend, 1968

"The Bible seems to suggest that angels are very much like missionaries from another world." -- Barry H. Downing, reverend, 1968

"Two thousand years ago these extraterrestrials created a being to be placed on this planet to teach homo-sapiens about love and peace." -- Linda M. Howe, journalist, 1989

"I wonder if what we now call the UFO reality, and what the Bible calls angels of God, are not the same reality. If this is true, then we humans have a lot of thinking to do." -- Barry H. Downing, reverend, 1997

"I believe it is time we explored the possibility that UFOs carry the angels of God." -- Barry H. Downing, reverend, 1997

 

[rjc34]

No, it doesn't work that way.

Well it does, because I'm more than certain that there are many creationists who would mock your strange views on biblical literalism.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who cares what the vatican thinks of aliens? The catholic church also accepts evolution, but I guess you're picking and choosing which parts of catholic doctrine you want to believe.

Evolution is Catholic doctrine now, is it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well it does, because I'm more than certain that there are many creationists who would mock your strange views on biblical literalism.

Big deal -- I've seen basic doctrine mocked.

 

[Chesterton]

Well it does, because I'm more than certain that there are many creationists who would mock your strange views on biblical literalism.

Okay. I saw a post on an atheist website that said Christians should be killed. No one commented on it, so I can assume that all atheists believe the same.

 

[rjc34]

Evolution is Catholic doctrine now, is it?

My mistake. It's not 'official doctrine'.

"The Church has deferred to scientists on matters such as the age of the earth and the authenticity of the fossil record. Papal pronouncements, along with commentaries by cardinals, have accepted the findings of scientists on the gradual appearance of life. In fact, the International Theological Commission in a July 2004 statement endorsed by Cardinal Ratzinger, then president of the Commission and head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, now Pope Benedict XVI, includes this paragraph:"

According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5 - 4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution.

Source.

Essentially they have moved to a position of theistic evolution. What is clear however is the outright rejection of the Genesis creation myth.

 

[rjc34]

Okay. I saw a post on an atheist website that said Christians should be killed. No one commented on it, so I can assume that all atheists believe the same.

Non Sequitur.

Also, I can't tell if you're supporting him or reprimanding him...

I don't see how your analogy applies to the situation. Please elaborate.

 

[Chesterton]

Non Sequitur.

Also, I can't tell if you're supporting him or reprimanding him...

I don't see how your analogy applies to the situation. Please elaborate.

Moonlancer said if no creationist chimed in he'd assume they all believe the same ufology nonsense as AOS. No I don't support him. I couldn't - I gave up smoking weed some time ago.

 

[AV1611VET]

Okay. I saw a post on an atheist website that said Christians should be killed.

Big deal -- they're here wanting us Christians to kill witches.

They're on the Muslim servers wanting Muslims to deal with their "Great Satan", and I would assume they were on the Japanese servers wanting Hindus to worship Shiva in a non-hypocritical way.

2 out of 3 [evidently] acquiesced to them -- we won't.

Let'em call us hypocrites -- we know better.

This world won't be safe until the Prince of Peace returns.

 

[rjc34]

Moonlancer said if no creationist chimed in he'd assume they all believe the same ufology nonsense as AOS. No I don't support him. I couldn't - I gave up smoking weed some time ago.

*Whew*

I'm glad we've got at least a few non-loony christians around this thread!

 

[rjc34]

Big deal -- they're here wanting us Christians to kill witches.

They're on the Muslim servers wanting Muslims to deal with their "Great Satan", and I would assume they were on the Japanese servers wanting Hindus to worship Shiva in a non-hypocritical way.

2 out of 3 [evidently] acquiesced to them -- we won't.

Let'em call us hypocrites -- we know better.

This world won't be safe until the Prince of Peace returns.

You realize he was joking right...?

What atheist has ever told you to kill witches? You guys do that fine on your own.

 

[AV1611VET]

You realize he was joking right...?

No, I didn't.

In actuality, the unregenerate kill tens of thousand, if not hundreds of thousand, of saved people per year in America.

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What atheist has ever told you to kill witches?

None, that I know of -- read again what I wrote, please.

 

[rjc34]

No, I didn't.

In actuality, atheists kill tens of thousand, if not hundreds of thousand, of saved people per year in America.

Where in the world did you get a statistic like that? Are you implying something about atheists, making up statistics or do you have a legitimate source?

None, that I know of -- read again what I wrote, please.

"Big deal -- they're here wanting us Christians to kill witches."

Who's the 'they' in that statement? I assumed atheists, but please clarify.

 

[AV1611VET]

Where in the world did you get a statistic like that? Are you implying something about atheists, making up statistics or do you have a legitimate source?

Please fix my quote to reflect what I said -- thank you.

 

[rjc34]

Please fix my quote to reflect what I said -- thank you.

Those were both exact quotes from the text of your posts. Don't dodge my questions.