Fossil Record Observation

[Queller]

Even use the ICR's model, major tectonic events did not happen before the Flood.

I know, that's on of the most ridiculous parts of their "model"; that mountain ranges such as the Himalayas sprang up thousands of feet in a short time after the Flood then, for some unknown reason, stopped rising at that rate and slowed to the rate we observe today.

How long ago was the flood again?

 

[[serious]]

To me, the list has only one item on it. Not that bad.

A partial list:
1. Where did the water come from?
2. How did it get here without generating enough heat to cook noah?
3. Where did it go?
4. What prevented geologic events prior to the flood
5. If the mountains weren't as high as they are today, how did they grow to their current height so rapidly?
6. How did a wooden ship of that size survive normal ocean stresses?
7. What prevented mega waves from all the sudden changes?
8. How did they fit all the animal species on the ark (or, if super fast evolution after is invoked, what caused the super fast evolution?)
9. How did they store and preserve enough food for all the animals?
10. How did Koalas get from Australia to the Ark?
11. How did they get back to australia?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I believe rock geology can be explain. Why? when flood waters are draining away after the flood the sediments are still quite soft, they are at this point not rocks. They could easily be eroded as water flowed away to lower ground.

Please tell me what made them turn into rocks, if they weren't rocks right after the flood.

What were they buried in after the flood, what put the heat and pressure on them after the flood?

 

[juvenissun]

A partial list:
1. Where did the water come from?
2. How did it get here without generating enough heat to cook noah?
3. Where did it go?
4. What prevented geologic events prior to the flood
5. If the mountains weren't as high as they are today, how did they grow to their current height so rapidly?
6. How did a wooden ship of that size survive normal ocean stresses?
7. What prevented mega waves from all the sudden changes?
8. How did they fit all the animal species on the ark (or, if super fast evolution after is invoked, what caused the super fast evolution?)
9. How did they store and preserve enough food for all the animals?
10. How did Koalas get from Australia to the Ark?
11. How did they get back to australia?

I don't know #6. But it is not a concern. I leave that to engineers.

The rest are not problems. #1 to #5 is geological and have been solved. #8 to #11 should be easy tasks to angels.

You missed the one which is the hardest.

 

[juvenissun]

Please tell me what made them turn into rocks, if they weren't rocks right after the flood.

What were they buried in after the flood, what put the heat and pressure on them after the flood?

These are questions not related to the Flood.

 

[digitalgoth]

These are questions not related to the Flood.

Sure they are. If there was a flood, then there would be certain evidence or effects in conjunction with that.

 

[juvenissun]

That's OK, I'll take a ballpark estimate.

According to the OP, this all happened rather quickly so yes, time is an issue.

How long ago do you believe the Flood occurred?

So, it happened fast. What is the question?

 

[juvenissun]

Give an example of such un-indurated sedimentary rocks, that is; rock that has not been hardened by heat or baking or sediments that have not been hardened through cementation or compaction, or both, without the introduction of heat.

There are many quite weak sedimentary rocks.

 

[juvenissun]

How long ago was the flood again?

It depends on which time scale you are using.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

These are questions not related to the Flood.

It is my belief you are unable to account for the total record of the geology of the earth without resort to long ages of time and no world wide flood. For example, you claim the material that made a whole lot of rocks weren't rocks right after the flood, yet. Instead, they were soft enough to allow very rapid erosion. So now you need to establish a reasonable way for them to be turned into rock.

I don't think you can do that in any reasonable way.

 

[[serious]]

I don't know #6. But it is not a concern. I leave that to engineers.

The rest are not problems. #1 to #5 is geological and have been solved. #8 to #11 should be easy tasks to angels.

You missed the one which is the hardest.

So 4 are miracles, 1 is "i don't know" and 5 you claim have already been addressed. Could you briefly explain those five you say have already been addressed?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good question. How about 3 meters per hour? It probably won't raise any significant waves.

And only gets you 2880 meters. That is nowhere near the tops of the highest mountains. You have almost 5,000 more meters to go.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And there are formations that cannot be explained by flood "geologists". For example this one:

That one image tells us, if you know enough, that the flood did not deposit sedimentary rocks. That structure took millions of years to form. So how do we get a flood of over 8 additional kilometers of water with, no idea where the water came from, no idea where the water went to, and no evidence that the water was here at all?

 

[juvenissun]

It is my belief you are unable to account for the total record of the geology of the earth without resort to long ages of time and no world wide flood. For example, you claim the material that made a whole lot of rocks weren't rocks right after the flood, yet. Instead, they were soft enough to allow very rapid erosion. So now you need to establish a reasonable way for them to be turned into rock.

I don't think you can do that in any reasonable way.

Are you sure you are talking to me? There are a lot noises in this thread.

 

[juvenissun]

So 4 are miracles, 1 is "i don't know" and 5 you claim have already been addressed. Could you briefly explain those five you say have already been addressed?

Just one. Which one you like to go first?
(I suspect I did that several times. But it is OK. I forgot what I said anyway)

 

[juvenissun]

And only gets you 2880 meters. That is nowhere near the tops of the highest mountains. You have almost 5,000 more meters to go.

It probably exceeded the highest one at that time.

 

[juvenissun]

That one image tells us, if you know enough, that the flood did not deposit sedimentary rocks. That structure took millions of years to form. So how do we get a flood of over 8 additional kilometers of water with, no idea where the water came from, no idea where the water went to, and no evidence that the water was here at all?

It does. We can identify many sedimentary rocks deposited during a flood. For example: a shale.

 

[Derek Meyer]

It does. We can identify many sedimentary rocks deposited during a flood. For example: a shale.

Wow. wow. Wow. Nope, actually shales are not deposited during major floods, but in generally relatively slow moving water and lakes and in the deep sea, etc. They can be deposited in the upper sections of deposits after floods when the water looses energy. Fine grained deposits. Normally shales are deposited on things such as deltas, in lakes, etc. And we can easily distinguish between the different types of shales.

 

[juvenissun]

Wow. wow. Wow. Nope, actually shales are not deposited during major floods, but in generally relatively slow moving water and lakes and in the deep sea, etc. They can be deposited in the upper sections of deposits after floods when the water looses energy. Fine grained deposits. Normally shales are deposited on things such as deltas, in lakes, etc. And we can easily distinguish between the different types of shales.

Don't you think a flood will cause that kind of environment?

 

[The Barbarian]

If your story includes inserting an endless number of unscriptural miracles to patch up any logical difficulties, than any story becomes possible.