Fossil Record Observation

[Derek Meyer]

Don't you think a flood will cause that kind of environment?

Nope. Floods don't cause deltas with forests and meandering rivers and fluvial environments around them.

 

[Derek Meyer]

Don't you think a flood will cause that kind of environment?

Deltaic environments are deposited by deltas.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I don't know #6. But it is not a concern. I leave that to engineers.

The rest are not problems. #1 to #5 is geological and have been solved. #8 to #11 should be easy tasks to angels.

You missed the one which is the hardest.

Off course, when one is allowed to invoke magic, then nothing is impossible.

I simply wonder why they (=YECs) even bother to try and find "sensible" explanations for any of it.

Why go through the trouble to try an explain how all those animals got on the boat or succeeded in hopping from australia all the way to the boat....

Simply invoke magic all the way...
Say that God used a shrinking spell on the animals.
Say that God put those shrunken animals in a state of stasis, so that they didn't have to eat anything and by extension didn't have any bowel movements. Which would also solve the waste problem.

And the same for all the other obvious non-sensical things....
Where did the water go? => God made it dissappear into oblivion.
How did mountains like Mt Everest form suddenly? => God poofed it into existance.
Etc.... and be done with it.

If you can invoke "angels" to address and "solve" the mega-obvious nonsense, then why stop there? Make the entire thing magical and don't pretend that there is physical evidence of these things when there so clearly isn't such evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It probably exceeded the highest one at that time.

No, we know when the mountains were formed. Many are "young" but they are still millions of years old.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It does. We can identify many sedimentary rocks deposited during a flood. For example: a shale.

Sorry, shale is not a "flood" deposit. Where did you get that idea from? Shale is the result of very slow steady deposition. The closest one gets from a flood are poorly sorted siltstones. Shale is a rock that is made up of very well sorted clay.

 

[juvenissun]

Nope. Floods don't cause deltas with forests and meandering rivers and fluvial environments around them.

But flood will add flood sediments to the delta, river, etc. When you identify those sediments (sedimentary rocks), they indicated flood.

 

[juvenissun]

Deltaic environments are deposited by deltas.

Your logic is not clear.

 

[juvenissun]

If you can invoke "angels" to address and "solve" the mega-obvious nonsense, then why stop there? Make the entire thing magical and don't pretend that there is physical evidence of these things when there so clearly isn't such evidence.

Yes, to many faithful, no explanation is needed.
To some minds, some explanations are needed.
To me, some physical processes are nice to understand.

To you, the whole thing is not needed.

 

[juvenissun]

Sorry, shale is not a "flood" deposit. Where did you get that idea from? Shale is the result of very slow steady deposition. The closest one gets from a flood are poorly sorted siltstones. Shale is a rock that is made up of very well sorted clay.

Shale could be part of a flood deposit.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yes, to many faithful, no explanation is needed.
To some minds, some explanations are needed.
To me, some physical processes are nice to understand.

To you, the whole thing is not needed.

To me, the whole thing is obviously myth.
The only people who think otherwise are those who already believed it before asking the question (and who won't take "no" for an answer - a priori)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Shale could be part of a flood deposit.

Let's see some valid evidence that supports that claim. Seriously, flood deposits are too rapid for a typical shale to be deposited. Many of them have varves, those are annual layers. Some of them have quite a few varves. The Green River Formation is one of them. It has a record of six million years of continual deposition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_River_Formation

 

[Loudmouth]

But flood will add flood sediments to the delta, river, etc. When you identify those sediments (sedimentary rocks), they indicated flood.

Here is a nice picture with shales and flood deposits right next to each other.

Care to guess which are the shales and which are the flood deposits?

 

[Loudmouth]

Shale could be part of a flood deposit.

Apparently, you never taught your supposed geology students about Hjulstrom's curves.

Floods can't deposit large shale deposits in a short amount of time because it takes a long time for those fine particles to settle out. Also, you need very calm water to produce shales, something that wouldn't be present in a global catastrophic event with mountains surging thousands of feet in a day and continents sliding across the globe.

 

[Astrophile]

But flood will add flood sediments to the delta, river, etc. When you identify those sediments (sedimentary rocks), they indicated flood.

But if shales and other flood sediments were added to deltas, lakes, the sea-floor etc. by a flood, shouldn't they have been derived from an area that was above sea-level and that was therefore exposed to erosion? The flood sediments can hardly have come from an area that was already submerged. If the whole earth was flooded, there would be no source of sedimentary material.

 

[juvenissun]

But if shales and other flood sediments were added to deltas, lakes, the sea-floor etc. by a flood, shouldn't they have been derived from an area that was above sea-level and that was therefore exposed to erosion? The flood sediments can hardly have come from an area that was already submerged. If the whole earth was flooded, there would be no source of sedimentary material.

Good thinking.
But there will be a lot of sedimentary material after the flood.

 

[[serious]]

If your story includes inserting an endless number of unscriptural miracles to patch up any logical difficulties, than any story becomes possible.

I'm pretty sure he's treating all the miracles as one miracle. I don't really understand that counting methodology, but with my list he said the last 4 could be taken care of by angels, but then still insisted that only one miracle was needed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good thinking.
But there will be a lot of sedimentary material after the flood.

And this picture still says that your flood is a myth:

 

[juvenissun]

And this picture still says that your flood is a myth:

It seems to be one of you favorite argument. But I don't see any relevance of this feature to the Global Flood.

 

[46AND2]

Good question. How about 3 meters per hour? It probably won't raise any significant waves.

Hi Juven...been a while since last we spoke. Have a question for you: What makes you think that a 3 meter per hour increase in water depth wouldn't cause significant waves? Every instance of such massive increases in water volume that I am aware of has been rather devastating.

 

[46AND2]

And there are formations that cannot be explained by flood "geologists". For example this one:

That one image tells us, if you know enough, that the flood did not deposit sedimentary rocks. That structure took millions of years to form. So how do we get a flood of over 8 additional kilometers of water with, no idea where the water came from, no idea where the water went to, and no evidence that the water was here at all?

That's a fabulous pic. Just look at it...how can you NOT see that it was slowly eroded over time? It's simply obvious to me. In addition to the meandering, if it happened suddenly in the flood, why are the sidewalls not sheared?