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Some heresies effect salvation some dont. Nadine is concerned about the ones that do
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Some heresies effect salvation some dont. Nadine is concerned about the ones that doChiliasm
Nestorianism
Protestantism
All heresies, at least according to some. All allowed under the previous regime.
Shall we run a little test on "One baptism for the forgiveness of sins"? I believe we would find some interesting data.
As long as it's full immersionChiliasm
Nestorianism
Protestantism
All heresies, at least according to some. All allowed under the previous regime.
Shall we run a little test on "One baptism for the forgiveness of sins"? I believe we would find some interesting data.
You believe this is the "Christian" perspective. Just as other "Christians" have a much different perspective on what it means to be Christian.First of all, let's not deflect from CaDan's attack on ME first... the one who bears the "tolerant" image....
and I notice instead of AGREEING (or noting) that CaDan was showing intolerance to me, you run after ME for being intolerant.
1) I never CLAIMED I was tolerant, CaDan did.
So you may want to "hunt down" the person making the claims for tolerance than myself.
If he WERE truly tolerant, he wouldn't of said what he did to me. (nothing unusual tho, I see it daily from the same crowds...).
Anyhoo -
Let me give you an analogy Joebudda - becuz obviously the "tolerant" don't GET IT from the Christian perspective.
According to Christians, false teaching is one of the most dangerous things there is. It isn't neutral, it harms and maligns what is true.
In that damage, it leads people AWAY from God and His truth. Theyde be better off not hearing anything than being misled to take them further away from God.
I liken it to being as harmful as AIDS. Both kill. Since we believe those who reject God will ultimately not attain eternal life, it's crucial what they hear and believe.
Now if you want to continue calling me intolerant FOR TRYING TO ASK FOR PROTECTION OF UNBELIEVING SOULS, then go ahead.
If you reject that's the case, fine. You aren't my judge, God is and He knows my heart & motive in asking that false teachings not infiltrate this site without resistance.
First of all, let's not deflect from CaDan's attack on ME first... the one who bears the "tolerant" image....
and I notice instead of AGREEING (or noting) that CaDan was showing intolerance to me, you run after ME for being intolerant.
1) I never CLAIMED I was tolerant, CaDan did.
So you may want to "hunt down" the person making the claims for tolerance than myself.
If he WERE truly tolerant, he wouldn't of said what he did to me. (nothing unusual tho, I see it daily from the same crowds...).
Anyhoo -
Let me give you an analogy Joebudda - becuz obviously the "tolerant" don't GET IT from the Christian perspective.
According to Christians, false teaching is one of the most dangerous things there is. It isn't neutral, it harms and maligns what is true.
In that damage, it leads people AWAY from God and His truth. Theyde be better off not hearing anything than being misled to take them further away from God.
I liken it to being as harmful as AIDS. Both kill. Since we believe those who reject God will ultimately not attain eternal life, it's crucial what they hear and believe.
Now if you want to continue calling me intolerant FOR TRYING TO ASK FOR PROTECTION OF UNBELIEVING SOULS, then go ahead.
If you reject that's the case, fine. You aren't my judge, God is and He knows my heart & motive in asking that false teachings not infiltrate this site without resistance.
You believe this is the "Christian" perspective. Just as other "Christians" have a much different perspective on what it means to be Christian.
You will catch more flys with honey then with vinger.
If Erwin did the proper job, there wouldn't be any need for any Christian to contend against heresy here! (he'd care about protecting others).
In the previous format, the rules dissallowed it.
NOW HE'S PUT THE WORK ON CHRISTIANS HERE to have to "heresy hunt".
And something else Mr.TOLERANT , THE HERETICS COME TO US, we don't go searching them out.
I always wonder why do people who shout mantra's about toleration always display their lack of it??
Is your "hunting" of others YOU disagree any better CaDan?
If you don't have a mirror handy, I'll be glad to provide you one so you can take a gander into it.
Be careful about attacking people for the very thing you do yourself. (it isn't pretty).
JoeBudda
Nadine doesnt lack love because she stands for doctrine. Your criticism and judgement in this matter is misplaced. I see no intollerance as far as personal intollerances are concerned... i see a stand for doctrine. If you were in a school teaching one and one are 3 and you cared how much would you fight? If they insisted on not changing what would you do? Knowing one and one are 2 would you go along with the crowd finally saying it is 3?
This isnt anything personal, you shouldnt make it personal
I am sure you truly believe this.If vinegar is the truth and honey is a sugarcoated one, I would rather catch the less flies, but at least bring them to Christ correctly. It's the quality not the quantity. We need those who come to Christ to know the real Christ that loves us and died on the Christ for us and not this fake Christ that only is here to grant us wishes and make our life perfect (the Christ that the self centered world would love to have).
JoeI am only making comments on observations as I see them.
I don't go along with the crowd, or I would be conservative Christian which saturates my town. I believe I have been enlighten to the "truth". And the truth is the world would be a much better place with more love and tolerance and less "us and them". We all live on this speck of dust in the corner of this galaxy that is lost amongst all the other galaxies in out universe.
It is up to us to love one another, if we don't do that, then we are to blame for our own strife this causes.
After watching your posting style and some others that Erwin supposedly listened to or does listen to I am beginning to see why the board went the way it did. To me intelligence does not equte into love for all or even tolorance and sarcasm is not always a good medium unless the object is to stir the pot so to speakChiliasm
Nestorianism
Protestantism
All heresies, at least according to some. All allowed under the previous regime.
Shall we run a little test on "One baptism for the forgiveness of sins"? I believe we would find some interesting data.
I am not a Christian which gives me a perspective that isn't distorted by dogma and the like.Joe
Youo are likely a fine fella, but my friend you arent a christian i take it and you are only teaching half a gospel, so you shouldnt judge someones walk in a religion you only know half of. No offence at all but the same Jesus that loved also put a whip to the backs of the people profaning the temple, calling them hypocrites and a brood of vipers, and WE are to put on the mind of Christ.
POaul said to rebuke those4 with bad doctriner sharply so that they may be sound in the faith... learn our WHOLE word
Thats not what im saying Joe.I am not a Christian which gives me a perspective that isn't distorted by dogma and the like.
I agree 100% that we shouldn't judge someone else's walk regarding religion.
But that is exactly what I am seeing here.
If this message board is shared by all then no one flavor of Christianity should rule. That is the beauty of Baskin-Robbins.
Oh yeah, you might get a kick out of how much I do know, but that is not for now.
Yes I believe this is what you believe.Thats not what im saying Joe.
If someone is going to be a muslim go for it... i disagree but be a real muslim and dont water it down. If someone is going to be a bhuddist do it but dont water it down. A 'christian' who rejects any part of the word for the sake of any reason is not a 'believer'... be a REAL christian, not a half christian.
There are some doctrines we can disagree on and still be saved, there are some we CANNOT because they are the very basis and foundation of the faith. For instance someone can claim all day they are a christian and yet deny Jesus is the only way. The bible and Jesus Himself says He IS the only way... These people are not christians in the same way one can say you are a cat all day long but they wont be a cat, theyll be put into a looney bin
Thats not what im saying Joe.
If someone is going to be a muslim go for it... i disagree but be a real muslim and dont water it down. If someone is going to be a bhuddist do it but dont water it down. A 'christian' who rejects any part of the word for the sake of any reason is not a 'believer'... be a REAL christian, not a half christian.
There are some doctrines we can disagree on and still be saved, there are some we CANNOT because they are the very basis and foundation of the faith. For instance someone can claim all day they are a christian and yet deny Jesus is the only way. The bible and Jesus Himself says He IS the only way... These people are not christians in the same way one can say you are a cat all day long but they wont be a cat, theyll be put into a looney bin
After watching your posting style and some others that Erwin supposedly listened to or does listen to I am beginning to see why the board went the way it did. To me intelligence does not equte into love for all or even tolorance and sarcasm is not always a good medium unless the object is to stir the pot so to speak
JoeYes I believe this is what you believe.
Others believe differently, though just as sure they are correct as you believe you are.
I am not Christian and I feel that what I believe is truly the truth.
So I don't discount the degree to which you believe your truth to be true. We all are just as sure of ourselves even though we hold differing and conflicting beliefs.
The trick is to not let our beliefs get in the way of us connecting as we humans do.
LOL, hey pray for me and ill be coolOut of reps or I'd rep this
There you go again...Is Mary the Mother of God?
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