Forthcoming Christian Film Proposes a Universalist Calvinist Worldview (Looking For Christian Themed Podcasts/ Radio Shows To Discuss Forthcoming Film

[Hazelelponi]

I didn’t know Calvinists are Universalists. I was under impression they believe in predestination to Hell or Heaven (something I could never accept). I love the excerpt. Looks like something you’d see at the MOMA running on a continuous loop in one of those tiny theatres in the corner of the gallery.

They aren't universalists... This person is slandering Calvinists and trying to associate a heresy with them...

It's wrong, that isn't what Calvinists believe.

Christian Film Proposes a Universalist Calvinist Worldview (Looking For Christian Themed Podcasts and/or Radio Shows To Discuss Forthcoming Film)

Hello ! I am the director of the forthcoming film "White Gardenia- The King James Bible". This film looks at the Bible as if it were literal truth ...and also asserts a Universalist Calvinist doctrine (ie everyone will eventually be saved...and will be resurrected in Heaven and/or be physically...

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I have answered him in this thread

 

[BNR32FAN]

I haven’t followed all the comments thoroughly but I get the impression people are thinking the op is a Calvinist. I think the argument he is making is that,’ ifCalvanism as it’s understood is true, then everyone goes to Heaven.’ He is pointing out a fallacy in that denominations thinking- not that all Calvinists think that way, but I’ve had Calvinists argue hell might have babies and not all babies are innocent and you can sort of tell with some babies. No joke. And that seems to sync with the idea of predestination.

The typical Calvinist argument for both 1 Timothy 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9 is that the term “all men” doesn’t actually mean all men but all types of men or all nations. I disagree with that interpretation but that’s the explanation I get every time from Calvinists on these two verses.

 

[white gardenia]

Ezekiel 28 makes it clear that satan’s fall took place long before Christ’s ministry. I don’t know who the woman is in Revelation 12, I have a tendency to refrain from making assumptions about ambiguous prophetic passages. In the beginning of chapter 4 the scriptures make it very clear that everything that comes after is prophetic.

“After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.””
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Im guessing your view would be the consensus amongst modern Christians...but based on a face value reading of the King James Bible (and omitting extra canonical books like the Books of Enoch) I dont see the story of Lucifer becoming Satan anywhere in the Scripture (unless it is heavily coded). Its also worth noting that Martin Luther and John Calvin both dismissed the story of Lucifer becoming Satan (a bit more info at this site What did Luther and Calvin believe about "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14?

Follow up question - If Satan was kicked out of Heaven before the Garden of Eden....why was he back up in Heaven in the Book of Job? And then if your interpretation is correct (that Revelation 12 is detailing a future event) Why is Satan up in Heaven yet again ? And why is he being cast down yet again ?

I feel it is a much more consistent view that 1. Satan's first appearance is probably the book of Job. 2. Satan acted as an accuser of men throughout most of the Old Testament and up until the Coming of Christ. 3. Christ's mission on earth changed the status quo...ending Satan's role as an accuser of men. 4. Christ's death ended Hades/Sheol and allowed mankind to access Heaven

BTW. Im also open to any examples from Scripture where I may be wrong. I am especially interested in any examples from the Old Testament where anyone might have gone to Heaven. It seems amazing to me that every Old Testament Saint (beside Elijah) seems to end up in Hades. Its a very clear and consistent pattern, but im wondering if Im missing any other exceptions (I have also considered the case of Enoch...but his ultimate fate seems unclear

 

[Hazelelponi]

The typical Calvinist argument for both 1 Timothy 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9 is that the term “all men” doesn’t actually mean all men but all types of men or all nations. I disagree with that interpretation but that’s the explanation I get every time from Calvinists on these two verses.

Because that's the interpretation...

 

[white gardenia]

Still looking for Christian Podcasts and Film Review Sites who would be willing to review and/or discuss our film "John Calvin and Other Excerpts From the King James Bible". The film is available to purchase here - White Gardenia's John Calvin - LE Blu-ray | Bizarre Theater Releasing .......but anyone who wants to review it can reply to this thread or message me (or email me at whitegardenia1955@gmail.com ) and I will send you an online screener which will allow you to view the film. Note: the film does contain some violence and elements of horror, but nothing that would be too different from the content in the "Passion of the Christ" or in the BIble for that matter. Here is a short excerpt from the beginning of the film