Former high school honors student who says she can’t read, write sues district where she graduated

[MehGuy]

That's not order or motivation or order, that's just instilling the message "If I threaten to physically hurt someone, they'll bend to my will"

A lot of students are already being instilled with that message from other students in chaotic and out of control schools. If anything the students are instilled even further when seeing meek teachers being walked all over.

Despite this flowchart being for comedic meme purposes, there's some truth in it:

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It's easy to say "use reason". Plenty of kids just don't care.

I am sorry, but parts of the country/world may not have the luxury of being able to successfully practice liberal values.

 

[iluvatar5150]

That's not order or motivation or order, that's just instilling the message "If I threaten to physically hurt someone, they'll bend to my will"


Despite this flowchart being for comedic meme purposes, there's some truth in it:

Yeah, I love this notion that teachers ought to be trusted with tools of violence like guns and belts, but not trusted with judgment over things like which books to read.

 

[RileyG]

Yeah, I love this notion that teachers ought to be trusted with tools of violence like guns and belts, but not trusted with judgment over things like which books to read.

Amen!

 

[ozso]

This article (or perhaps the other one I read about the subject) mentioned that she made use of Text-to-Speech and Speech-to-Text tools.

Even that wouldn't really work if she couldn't read at all. Those things even with up do date AI still mess up and need proof reading and correction.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The only other choices are expensive private schools or rolling the dice with homeschooling.

We had another option, which was Catholic schools. My kids never went to government schools. Some Catholic schools really are expensive private schools but others are still oriented to the mission of educating on a shoestring. And they manage financial aid too, so nobody needs to get turned away. At least not in my experience.

There is also the charter school option. And the homeschooling cooperative option.

(noting...because I know it always comes up lol... the stats that show homeschooling kids outperforming public school kids are the ones in state-accredited homeschooling programs, that are in states where there's a reporting requirement... Kids who live in states where there's no required testing or reporting requirements are in the educational "wild west"... sorta like my cousins in Indiana, who grew up with "textbooks" from Abeka and Bob Jones University press that taught them that man and dinosaurs lived along side each other, and that AIDS pops up out of thin air when two men sleep with each other)

There are home school failures too. But they are self-limiting.

 

[rambot]

If I could shed some light....maaaaybe.

I have several students in my class with incredibly severe language expression disabilities. If I have them complete a test in writing verses when I (or my EA) scribe for them.

I have two students that NOBODY could read their handwriting for.

I am very curious about the entire context of this student's situation.

I'm not sure how suing a whole school district is going to help anyone but yourself. But that could be the point of it too.

 

[rambot]

Yeah. I can't imagine how poor education will be 30 years from now. I remember one teacher lamenting the corruption in the education system. She said she found an old textbook from the 1950s and was surprised how advance the vocabulary was compared to textbooks of today. She was sick to her stomach.

While I understand the ease with which we can lay the blame of that on schools, schools can't work against the culture that they are in.

Teachers are the front line workers and we've been watching that degrade for a while. Ask teacher their opinions as to why.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Who knows? I've only been to a public school, except for college. Most people in rural areas don't have an option for a private school, me thinks.

Of this, I can be thankful.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

We had another option, which was Catholic schools. My kids never went to government schools. Some Catholic schools really are expensive private schools but others are still oriented to the mission of educating on a shoestring. And they manage financial aid too, so nobody needs to get turned away. At least not in my experience.

There is also the charter school option. And the homeschooling cooperative option.

I suspect the prevalence of those "shoestring budget" Catholic schools is probably dwindling, and not to mention, region specific for the ones that are left.

The closest one to here that would fit that description is only k-8, and still has tuition costs of $8,000/year. While that's a drop in the bucket compared to other private schools, given that the areas that are most impacted by the shortfalls within the public education system are low income communities, $8000/year might as well be $80,000/year from their vantage point.

Some of that is probably due to the fact that around here, Lutheran, Baptist, and Methodist actually have a bigger headcount than Catholic.



I think what needs to be tried first, is to fund public schools from a state-level perspective rather than local level. Today, in most places, the funds come local property taxes. That leads to some very lopsided results in terms of funding.

That's how you end up with one public school that has a brand new multi-million-dollar athletic facility, state of the art computer labs, etc... And then drive 20 miles away, and have schools that still have asbestos insulation, no A/C, leaky roofs, and civics/history textbooks that are from the George HW Bush era.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That's how you end up with one public school that has a brand new multi-million-dollar athletic facility, state of the art computer labs, etc... And then drive 20 miles away, and have schools that still have asbestos insulation, no A/C, leaky roofs, and civics/history textbooks that are from the George HW Bush era.

All of our best textbooks were from the George Bush era.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

All of our best textbooks were from the George Bush era.

Mine too, but that's because I was in elementary school back in the late 80's and early 90's lol.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Mine too, but that's because I was in elementary school back in the late 80's and early 90's lol.

I graduated from HS while Bush was president.

 

[BPPLEE]

I graduated from HS while Bush was president.

Which one?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I graduated from HS while Bush was president.

so you're probably in the same age range then lol.

Where your schooling also had "Bush Bookends"

George HW was president when I was in kindergarten, George W was president when I graduated.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I suspect the prevalence of those "shoestring budget" Catholic schools is probably dwindling, and not to mention, region specific for the ones that are left.

The closest one to here that would fit that description is only k-8, and still has tuition costs of $8,000/year. While that's a drop in the bucket compared to other private schools, given that the areas that are most impacted by the shortfalls within the public education system are low income communities, $8000/year might as well be $80,000/year from their vantage point.

Some of that is probably due to the fact that around here, Lutheran, Baptist, and Methodist actually have a bigger headcount than Catholic.

The LCMS has some pretty good schools and not too extreme in cost.

As to your last point, a Catholic school would die for the budget of even the poorest public school district.

 

[Hans Blaster]

so you're probably in the same age range then lol.

Where your schooling also had "Bush Bookends"

George HW was president when I was in kindergarten, George W was president when I graduated.

I was a post-doc when "W" was inaugurated.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Which one?

The former VP.

 

[RileyG]

Of this, I can be thankful.

Thankful for more choices….?

 

[Valletta]

I suspect the prevalence of those "shoestring budget" Catholic schools is probably dwindling, and not to mention, region specific for the ones that are left.

The closest one to here that would fit that description is only k-8, and still has tuition costs of $8,000/year. While that's a drop in the bucket compared to other private schools, given that the areas that are most impacted by the shortfalls within the public education system are low income communities, $8000/year might as well be $80,000/year from their vantage point.

Some of that is probably due to the fact that around here, Lutheran, Baptist, and Methodist actually have a bigger headcount than Catholic.



I think what needs to be tried first, is to fund public schools from a state-level perspective rather than local level. Today, in most places, the funds come local property taxes. That leads to some very lopsided results in terms of funding.

That's how you end up with one public school that has a brand new multi-million-dollar athletic facility, state of the art computer labs, etc... And then drive 20 miles away, and have schools that still have asbestos insulation, no A/C, leaky roofs, and civics/history textbooks that are from the George HW Bush era.

You don't need fancy equipment for a good education. My wife went to grade school in the country, one room and one teacher for all grades until high school. I think it averaged about 3 kids in each grade. For my high school there would be different versions of say, a math book each year, and the teacher would try and give homework that was in all of the versions (he'd call out different numbers for different versions) because a number of us had used books.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Thankful for more choices….?

Thankful that parochial school was never an option.