Former high school honors student who says she can’t read, write sues district where she graduated

[RileyG]

Yeah. I can't imagine how poor education will be 30 years from now. I remember one teacher lamenting the corruption in the education system. She said she found an old textbook from the 1950s and was surprised how advance the vocabulary was compared to textbooks of today. She was sick to her stomach.

People are reading less and less, and our language is being butchered. It's really not that surprising, in my opinion.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Former high school honors student who says she can’t read, write sues district where she graduated

A college student who says she cannot read or write is suing the board of education and the city for negligence.

www.13abc.com

HARTFORD, Conn. (CNN) - A Connecticut college student is suing the Hartford Board of Education and the city of Hartford for negligence.

Nineteen-year-old Aleysha Ortiz says she graduated from high school with honors and earned a college scholarship, but she can’t read or write.

The 19-year-old began her freshman year at the University of Connecticut in Hartford this past fall.

Another argument against the government schools.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Another argument against the government schools.

lol, yeah, because most private schools do so well with kids with special needs.

 

[RileyG]

lol, yeah, because most private schools do so well with kids with special needs.

Who knows? I've only been to a public school, except for college. Most people in rural areas don't have an option for a private school, me thinks.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Who knows? I've only been to a public school, except for college. Most people in rural areas don't have an option for a private school, me thinks.

Lack of access is certainly one issue. There's also the fact that, unlike public schools, private schools typically have no obligation to serve kids with special needs. They can just kick them out.

 

[RileyG]

Lack of access is certainly one issue. There's also the fact that, unlike public schools, private schools typically have no obligation to serve kids with special needs. They can just kick them out.

Ah, that's too bad.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Ah, that's too bad.

In a private school environment, I think that's to be expected to a certain extent.

Public schools are more of a "common good"/"communal" benefit, as where private schools are more of an "individual benefit for MY kids" sort of deal.

Keeping in mind too, many of the private schools' main selling point is "X% of our student body gets into prestigious colleges".

Also, the public schools that do have those specialized departments, are often funding that aspect of their organization via federal grant money (IDEA grants - "Individuals with Disabilities Education Act") that the private schools don't typically receive.

 

[MehGuy]

People are reading less and less, and our language is being butchered. It's really not that surprising, in my opinion.

Sometimes I watch videos of common people being interviewed from the 1950s and before and am shocked at how articulate and well spoken they are. Even criminals being interviewed.

I went to a good public school, but I do remember being partnered with one guy who told me he didn't know how to read. He told me in a low voice and was trying to be as discreet about it as possible, so I had to do the reading for him.

To this day I still wonder if he was messing with me or not. I have heard horror stories about other public schools, but mine.. I don't really see how he could advance so far without being flagged. Even if he was a newer student.

Unfortunately my mother went to a bad public school. I can believe that stuff happening there. She told me in some classes the bell would ring and the teacher would take out a newspaper and tell the students "see ya" and all the students would leave to do whatever they wanted. She told me other things too. Especially the constant fights and violence. It was hard for me to comprehend and believe as a kid, but growing up and reading stories from other teachers.. I have come to believe my mother's stories of her own experiences with her public school.

 

[RileyG]

Sometimes I watch videos of common people being interviewed from the 1950s and before and am shocked at how articulate and well spoken they are.

I went to a good public school, but I do remember being partnered with one guy who told me he didn't know how to read. He told me in a low voice and was trying to be as discreet about it as possible, so I had to do the reading for him.

To this day I still wonder if he was messing with me or not. I have heard horror stories about other public schools, but mine.. I don't really see how he could advance so far without being flagged.

Unfortunately my mother went to a bad public school. I can believe that stuff happening there. She told me in some classes the bell would ring and the teacher would take out a newspaper and tell the students "see ya" and all the students would leave to do whatever they wanted. She told me other things too. Especially the constant fights and violence. If was hard for me to believe as a kid, but growing up and reading stories from other teachers.. I have come to believe my mother's stories of her own experiences with her public school.

That doesn't really surprise me.

 

[MehGuy]

That doesn't really surprise me.

Makes me somewhat sympathetic with those who say the belt needs to come back to (at least some) schools. What's worse is that a lot of these kid's parents excuse or even chew out teachers who try to discipline their kids.

 

[RileyG]

Makes me somewhat sympathetic with those who say the belt needs to come back to (at least some) schools. What's worse is that a lot of these kid's parents excuse or even chew out teachers who try to discipline their kids.

Well? We know a lot more about mental health which is why you don't see physical discipline in schools anymore. I feel there is a lot of bad parents out there, but no teacher has the right to be emotionally or mentally abusive to students just because they are perceived as a "problem child."

 

[Laodicean60]

This situation is kinda mindblowing. My wife came to America in high school and had to learn English. There was no TTS back then, but El Paso is mostly Hispanic. Maybe she didn't have support from other Hispanics. You have to play detective on this one. I wonder how many more non-English speaking students are using technology to get by.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Makes me somewhat sympathetic with those who say the belt needs to come back to (at least some) schools. What's worse is that a lot of these kid's parents excuse or even chew out teachers who try to discipline their kids.

I still wouldn't go that far... it'd be a bad idea for a couple of reasons.

1) The fact that the current system isn't instilling discipline in constructive ways doesn't mean we default back to the thing that doesn't work.

2) Other countries have found ways to do it without corporal punishment that have had great results in the education realm.

Japan banned the practice of corporal punishment back in the late 40's as part of their post-war reforms.

They're in the top 5 nations in terms of education rankings, and have created a very polite, respectful society in general.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Another argument against the government schools.

The only other choices are expensive private schools or rolling the dice with homeschooling.

(noting...because I know it always comes up lol... the stats that show homeschooling kids outperforming public school kids are the ones in state-accredited homeschooling programs, that are in states where there's a reporting requirement... Kids who live in states where there's no required testing or reporting requirements are in the educational "wild west"... sorta like my cousins in Indiana, who grew up with "textbooks" from Abeka and Bob Jones University press that taught them that man and dinosaurs lived along side each other, and that AIDS pops up out of thin air when two men sleep with each other)

 

[MehGuy]

I still wouldn't go that far... it'd be a bad idea for a couple of reasons.

1) The fact that the current system isn't instilling discipline in constructive ways doesn't mean we default back to the thing that doesn't work.

2) Other countries have found ways to do it without corporal punishment that have had great results in the education realm.

Japan banned the practice of corporal punishment back in the late 40's as part of their post-war reforms.

They're in the top 5 nations in terms of education rankings, and have created a very polite, respectful society in general.

It flat doesn't work? In every circumstance?

I agree that the belt would probably have adverse effects with high achieving schools, or at least the benefits would not be worth the psychological costs, but for some schools the belt might be the only thing that can bring some order and motivation for students to try harder.

 

[RileyG]

It flat doesn't work? In every circumstance?

I agree that the belt would probably have adverse effects with high achieving schools, or at least the benefits would not be worth the psychological costs, but for some schools the belt might be the only thing that can bring some order and motivation for students to try harder.

I don't know. It may cause PTSD for some students. I really don't know.

 

[MehGuy]

I don't know. It may cause PTSD for some students. I really don't know.

At some of these schools there is already enough things happening to give everyone PTSD.

 

[RileyG]

At some of these schools there is already enough things happening to give everyone PTSD.

True.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It flat doesn't work? In every circumstance?

I agree that the belt would probably have adverse effects with high achieving schools, or at least the benefits would not be worth the psychological costs, but for some schools the belt might be the only thing that can bring some order and motivation for students to try harder.

That's not order or motivation or order, that's just instilling the message "If I threaten to physically hurt someone, they'll bend to my will"


Despite this flowchart being for comedic meme purposes, there's some truth in it:

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Clearly a product of the liberal education system under Biden, just imagine how much worse it would be if the Harris administration was reeducation of America's youth.