Form-Specific Guidelines for Conservatives

[Albion]

Ummm. The FSRs say that we take our politics seriously. They don't say that our politics are conservative. Your statement demonstrates exactly what is wrong with this forum. If it is just about politics, then it needs to go into the Politics forum, not the Faith Group forum.

Except that it is not "just about politics." However, conservative political action and beliefs are PART of what makes the forum what it is (or was intended to be). It is the counterpart to the Liberal Christian forum ('Whosoever Will May Come' or whatever that one is called).

 

[ReformedChapin]

Except that it is not "just about politics." However, conservative political action and beliefs are PART of what makes the forum what it is (or was intended to be). It is the counterpart to the Liberal Christian forum ('Whosoever Will May Come' or whatever that one is called).

Yes, but out political views should be depended on our theology. There is some issues that are NOT part of our theology therefore could be set on either the liberal or conservative scale. This is why I consider myself a conservative, I am strongly pro-life because it has ties with my theology but the gun issue is not theological.

 

[Nadiine]

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[ReformedChapin]

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[Albion]

Yes, but out political views should be depended on our theology. There is some issues that are NOT part of our theology therefore could be set on either the liberal or conservative scale. This is why I consider myself a conservative, I am strongly pro-life because it has ties with my theology but the gun issue is not theological.

I understand the point, but the forum is for CONSERVATIVES. And, BTW, I do believe in private gun rights as a matter of my theology.

I do, however, recognize that each of us probably departs from what is generally considered Conservative on this or that issue, and I don't say we ought to be 100% in agreement on every social issue, but neither are Conservatives who are not motivated by theology. If one is a Liberal generally, though, I think he ought to let us be Conservative on our own forum.

 

[Nadiine]

No, she has a GOP icon because she primarily identifies with the GOP. As do I. But carrying a political icon doesn't mean we can't criticize what that party is doing. I think the GOP is a dead party right now, but I'm still a republican in the hopes that the party will resurrect itself.

I don't think it's dead right now at all - anything opposing the democratic
party is a good party.
I consider it in a transition - just like the democratic party has
undergone at other times.

 

[Nadiine]

I understand the point, but the forum is for CONSERVATIVES. And, BTW, I do believe in private gun rights as a matter of my theology.

I do, however, recognize that each of us probably departs from what is generally considered Conservative on this or that issue, and I don't say we ought to be 100% in agreement on every social issue, but neither are Conservatives who are not motivated by theology. If one is a Liberal generally, though, I think he ought to let us be Conservative on our own forum.

 

[Nadiine]

Ummm. The FSRs say that we take our politics seriously. They don't say that our politics are conservative. Your statement demonstrates exactly what is wrong with this forum. If it is just about politics, then it needs to go into the Politics forum, not the Faith Group forum.

Are you here to come in and restructure this forum now?

 

[Nadiine]

As we can easily see from the past few posts, this is why the forum doesn't work well. Posters come here who are not Conservatives but openly admit to being Liberals instead.

Yes we know this Albion - it's the identical problem we had when the
big blowouts occurred.

Then we have constant disagreements over nearly everything conservatives
tend to believe-
then we're the intolerant person who isn't open to differences.

They maintain that they are Bible-believers or Bible literalists or religious traditionalists of some variety, which they label as "Conservative." The forum was not, however, meant to be for political Liberals. We do not discriminate between Catholic and Protestant, and many of these Liberal folks seem to think that being a Fundamentalist or something close to it makes them theologically conservative, unlike those who belong to other (for example, Roman Catholic or Anglican) churches. This is the exact opposite of the purpose for which the forum was created.

If you are a Bible literalist but politically Left Wing, 'Fundamentalist Christians' is an appropriate place to be. That forum has no political side whereas this one does.

agree

 

[Nadiine]

To Albion, not just liberal tho - - this is why they created the
MODERATE forum too.
So moderates who leaned more liberal than conservative would
post there and they're all fine with that...
let whoever is moderate to liberal hang in the moderate forums.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I understand the point, but the forum is for CONSERVATIVES. And, BTW, I do believe in private gun rights as a matter of my theology.

I do, however, recognize that each of us probably departs from what is generally considered Conservative on this or that issue, and I don't say we ought to be 100% in agreement on every social issue, but neither are Conservatives who are not motivated by theology. If one is a Liberal generally, though, I think he ought to let us be Conservative on our own forum.

I rearly see fiscal liberals come here. There has been a few scenerios but there has also been abuses by this forums members attacking conservatives because they don't push their agenda. I think this is the reason why Jim started this thread, he was attacked because of his political views aren't (weren't) conservative enough.

I will admit I am wary of some groups uniting on political agendas under a so called christian band wagon. The situation in Isreal is one big one.

 

[Nadiine]

It smells funny because American evangelicals have been programmed to think that one can't be liberal politically and conservative theologically. There are many, many of us out there. But, we generally get driven out of this forum by folks who can't tell the difference between a political liberal and a theological liberal.

As a conservative, we vote our theological consciences.

There IS a moderate forum you know Belinda - that forum is for
conservative moderates - it was created just for this reason.

 

[Nadiine]

I rearly see fiscal liberals come here. There has been a few scenerios but there has also been abuses by this forums members attacking conservatives because they don't push their agenda. I think this is the reason why Jim started this thread, he was attacked because of his political views aren't (weren't) conservative enough.

I will admit I am wary of some groups uniting on political agendas under a so called christian band wagon. The situation in Isreal is one big one.

I know we have political problems in this country, but Israel's
problems are 100 times worse than ours I think......

 

[ReformedChapin]

I know we have political problems in this country, but Israel's
problems are 100 times worse than ours I think......

That wasn't my point of my post. What I was talking about pushing US legislation to help and influence events in the middle east in accordance with a particular theology. I don't see much of a difference between Isreal and other nations some contemporary christians disagree with me.

 

[ReformedChapin]

As a conservative, we vote our theological consciences.

There IS a moderate forum you know Belinda - that forum is for
conservative moderates - it was created just for this reason.

How is the moderate fourm a forum for conservative moderates? There is no statement of faith.

 

[Nadiine]

How is the moderate fourm a forum for conservative moderates? There is no statement of faith.

Well, since some are seeking to restructure forums, maybe that's
a good place to start
The SOF of CF is still over that forum.

Izdaari is very familiar w/ the moderate forum, it's mostly
conservatives who went there, she'll tell you if you ask her
about it

 

[BelindaP]

I helped to create the moderate forum, so I know exactly what it's there for. And, no. I am not here to restructure this forum. However, I can demand that it stick to its structure. There is nothing in the FSRs that say we have to be politically conservative. In fact, it is my conservative theology that drives me to be liberal politically.
I believe it is wrong to make the rich richer while the poor get poorer.
I believe that capital punishment as it is implemented in this country is an abomination.
I believe it is wrong to start a war just so we can spread our political idealogy.
I believe it is wrong to give lip service to abortion while doing nothing substanitive to stop it or prevent it.

Those are all beliefs I hold dear because of Christ in my life. Seriously, you should change your FSRs if you want to exclude people like me.

 

[Nadiine]

Not you, too. :banghead:
1. You don't have to be a Republican to post here. You just have to be conservative theologically. Guess what. Republican =/= Conservative Christian
2. I am a Republican. I am what is referred to as a Goldwater Republican. Back before the neo-conservatives hijacked the party, it used to be progressive and stood for social justice. It has lost its way ever since the neo-cons took over and started spouting off about abortion and gay marriage as if they were the only issues that mattered.

I hold to the basic conservative religious values. I am not a neo-con. If I have to be a neo-con to post here, then this forum needs to be moved out of Faith Groups and into Politics.

Clearly they are issues that are both LOST (abortion) and being threatened at the moment;
I see it as the "neo cons" had the right focus on which moral
issues to push against.

 

[BelindaP]

The neo-Cons have been around for 30 years, and abortion has gotten less restrictive than it ever was. That indicates a lack of focus on their part...or a pattern of lying to get the conservative Christian vote.

 

[Nadiine]

There are many whose conservative theology makes them liberal politically. This is all too often misunderstood by the across-the-board conservatives. Being conservative politically =/= being conservative theologically. American Christians in particular have a hard time distinguishing between the two.

Never stopping to think that maybe they're more moderate than conservative?
Why is it conservatives who always "have it wrong" in this labeling
system people are creating?

For example, I am 100% Nicene-compliant, if you want to call it that.
I am pro-life in every way. That means I oppose abortion, the death penalty, unjust wars, and I speak out boldy on social justice issues. It gets me in trouble with American conservatives all the time.

How about homosexuality?