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Foreign Policy: Why Obama Is Effective/Necessary..

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Shalom :)

For whoever may be interested, I came across a good review (IMHO) recently that greatly intrigued me when it came to noting some of the ways it seems that the president has been ignored on things foreign policy-related that have been beneficial to the nation...and focused on when it comes to the negatives he has done as well. To me, it seems inaccurate to focus solely on the negatives done by someone while intentionally ignoring where they do things that other presidents/leaders suggested and they were praised.


As said best in Obama's Foreign Policy Demonstrates Responsibility, Not Recklessness...:
President Obama’s foreign policy achievements have certainly been impressive during his first term. His signature moment would have to be the assassination of Osama Bin Laden. Republicans inexplicably refuse to give President Obama credit for Bin Laden’s death, but the fact remains that it was Obama as commander-in-chief who gave the final call to order American troops in to Pakistan. This mission was fraught with many risks, and Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons, was infuriated by Obama’s decision to launch the raid without issuing prior notice.

It is also completely valid to note that President Bush failed to capture Bin Laden in his seven years in office following the 9/11 attacks. He even admitted late in his presidency that catching Bin Laden was no longer a top priority of his. Additionally, Mitt Romney in 2007 refused to state if he would unilaterally go into Pakistan to catch Bin Laden. The fact is that Democrats are responsible for the capture of Osama Bin Laden, and that is a fact that Republicans simply cannot accept

President Obama has also successfully ended the War in Iraq. The last combat troops were withdrawn in December of 2011. While there is still a large American presence in Iraq, the fighting is officially over. Once again, we see Democrats cleaning up the Republican foreign policy mess. President Bush steered us into Iraq under the false pretense that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. This was a blatant lie that cost well over 4,000 American lives and $800 trillion dollars. Obama has also drawn down the War in Afghanistan, albeit after an initial surge early in his presidency.

We got to witness the difference between Obama's foreign policy and Bush's foreign policy during the brief conflict with Libya early in 2011. President Obama brought the United States into cooperation with NATO troops, and a balanced coalition was able to knock Moammar Gaddafi out of power. This is a sharp contrast from when President Bush defied international resistance and essentially single-handedly brought the United States into armed conflict. President Obama simply behaves more responsibly on the international stage, and recognizes the need for allies.
Most of the criticism that Governor Romney and Congressman Paul Ryan, his running mate, direct toward President Obama in the area of foreign policy seems to revolve around his supposed inability to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. Yet, the Obama administration has hit Iran with some of the strongest sanctions in the history of the United Nations. These sanctions are crippling Iran’s economy and bringing them closer and closer to the negotiating table.

Governor Romney is reckless with his loose talk regarding war with Iran. President Obama has responded that war should only be a last resort, and this is completely accurate. Another large-scale war right now would cripple the United States' economy and would sentence thousands more of our troops to death. President Obama’s more nuanced approach to foreign policy is much more preferable to another war-mongering Republican's.


Also, as one political analysist noted:
Obama has dramatically increased America’s presence in Asia, including signing a Treaty of Amity and Cooperation with ASEAN and joining the East Asia Summit, and moved quickly and flexibly in response to the revolutions across the Middle East. He changed a 30-year relationship with Egypt in a week; helped to convince the Egyptian military not to fire on citizens in the first stage of the revolution; assembled and enabled a successful coalition to intervene in Libya; worked closely with Turkey, the European Union, and Saudi Arabia to increase pressure on Syria; cooperated with Egypt to broker a settlement in Yemen; and worked behind the scenes to convince Bahrain’s government to investigate its own violence against Shia protesters.

Moving south, Obama dedicated considerable resources to ensuring that the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, which ended Sudan’s civil war, was actually implemented, allowing South Sudan’s peaceful secession. Although engagement with Iran and North Korea may have failed, Obama did help to engineer a historic breakthrough with Burma. Finally, the US Senate ratified free-trade agreements with South Korea, Panama, and Colombia, clearing the way for the new Trans-Pacific Partnership.

The common thread in all of these achievements is old-fashioned diplomacy. In choosing Clinton as Secretary of State, Obama appointed one of the world’s most admired women. She has lived up to her reputation. Similarly, Susan Rice has been a remarkably successful US ambassador to the United Nations, consistently delivering votes in the Security Council.

Obama is pursuing a coherent grand strategy – what he called in his 2009 inaugural address a “new era of responsibility.” On the international side, his national-security strategy holds that “the burdens of a young century cannot fall on American shoulders alone.” The US strategic is committed to an “international order based on rights and responsibilities,” including a “broader voice – and greater responsibilities” for emerging powers, and the imposition of real consequences on countries that violate their international obligations.

Within two years of taking office, Obama helped to transform the G-8 into the G-20, secured the re-weighting of votes on the International Monetary Fund’s board away from Europe and toward new economic powers, and committed to supporting the candidacies of India and Japan for membership of a reformed UN Security Council.

His administration also devoted enormous energy to building and strengthening regional institutions. For the first time, the Arab League is playing an active role in addressing political upheaval and government brutality in its midst, as is the Gulf Cooperation Council. The African Union helped to restore democracy in Madagascar, aided in forcing Côte d’Ivoire’s president to leave office after losing an election, and sent troops to Somalia. The East Asian Summit is becoming a forum for region-wide security discussions, from the resolution of maritime disputes to fighting pirates.

Obama’s Republican opponents love to hammer home the phrase “leading from behind.” But they miss the point, for they imagine leadership as the equivalent of a nineteenth-century cavalry charge, in which the general is either out front carrying the flag or following along in the rear. Obama is actually far in front in terms of shaping the world’s norms and expectations. He leads from wherever he needs to lead in order to get results. And he’s gotten plenty
I think the article had many valid points, especially as it concerns giving credit where it is due. For others, again, I was curious as to the reasons you feel--or don't feel--that foreign policy practiced by the president has either been good or bad. Based on review of his track record and any facts you feel are relevant...as well as connected with what other presidential leaders have done.

If anyone would like to know some of my own personal stances, I've taken the time to give reference back to discussion where I specifically shared on each of them. I would rather not go back/bring up the issues in-depth/with detail again, unless I'm asked to do so and it seems necessary. Again, I've shared some of my views on the issue before on why I do feel personally that the president has indeed done A LOT of good things internationally---and wisely, when it comes to foreign policy. I have enjoyed seeing the work he has sought to do in the Asia-Pacific rim he comes from and expanding the influence that the U.S has had over there in those areas while also networking with people in the region (as shared here in #10/ #150 )..and and I've also shared in other discussions how the president has sought to support Israel in very good ways, from the ways it has sought to be a check on Iran via VERY strong/effective sanctions to the extensive miltitary aid/funding----with many in Israel populace/government noting that the strongest the U.S has ever been is with the current administration, even as the president doesn't seem to have the stance of giving in to anything/everything Israel wants and forcing others such as the Palestinians to work with Israel/find common solutions ( as seen in #156 #157 and #159 ). I think he has done good work as it concerns building bridges as he promised when it comes to working with inter-faith groups (as seen in his international work with Muslim/Arab communities both abroad and here in the U.S., more here , here, and #7 /#46 ).

I do think it was wise of him not to be for wiping out others who aren't even the problem like many war hawks in differing parties who are quick to resolve conflict by blowing an enemy out of existence (as shared here #415 , #35, #37 #177 when it came to some of the wisdom President Obama was seeking to utilize in the situation by NOT going to war/causing more drama in Syria by simply going to war with them)---and the same goes for Lybia, as it seemed the president was for the mindset of practicing Statemanship Of course, I'm not of the mindset that President Obama is a saint when it comes to war...for although he has had an international perspective due to travelling the world throughout his youth/working with differing groups, many of his foreign policies have indeed been very imperialistic. Obama's overall foreign policy philosophy has been postulated as "The Obama Doctrine" by Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne as "a form of realism unafraid to deploy American power but mindful that its use must be tempered by practical limits and a dose of self-awareness."....and other scholars such as Noam Chomsky have called him on it repeatedly throughout his term as it concerns where some policies have harmed others (and others have also critiqued the president on his stances internationally)... even though others have been beneficial for certain groups and others have debated the matter (as shared here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here).

Although I'll share more in-depth elsewhere as discussion continues, I did want to note that I do feel the president has a respectable and popular foreign policy record to defend, at least in term of the headline items: killing Bin Laden, ending the Iraq war and drawing down in Afghanistan, toppling Colonel Gaddafi in Libya, and (selectively) assisting the Arab Spring. By no means is it the case that there aren't areas of foreign policy where things could've been better and thus warrant of criticism. Nonetheless, it is difficult to cast the president as ‘soft’ on matters of national security. Opinion surveys through 2012 suggested that more Americans approved than disapproved Obama’s record on foreign policy.

Others say the president is weak, even though he has presided over SEAL raids to take out Somalian pirates and has dramatically expanded the anti-terrorist drone program from the levels it was at in the final years of the Bush Administration. More could be said, but I do think there are some things that cannot be overlooked.

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Inconsistent, not in control, unreliable. Israel doesn't know where we stand, Iran is getting mixed signals, Obama brags about drone attacks and making out the kill list, which is not what a commander in chief should do. I think the recent Libya attack fiasco is representative of Obama's foreign policy. He calls it a terrorist attack, flies off to Vegas to campaign, then decides it was a crowd riot over a youtube video, then we make a video featuring Hillary and Obama denouncing the youtube video as if the source of the Libya attacks, and now Obama is pre-announcing further drone attacks in Libya because it appears it was a planned terrorist attack, Obama is all over the map on foreign policy. His only positive is bin Laden, and the CIA and Navy seal team 6 in my book have credit for that, not Obama. You think terrorists respect this type of leadership? This only incites them.

What is your take Easy?
 
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I see you totally rewrote your OP after I posted.

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J,

Nothing was really re-written except reference. I just got done doing other work while completing the OP at the same time. Posting it doesn't mean it was necessarily finished, as I noted originally where I had shared some thoughts on the issue before and was able to place the references in later for verification of what I've already stated.


How is Obama doing with regards to Syria, Israel and Iran?
Inconsistent, not in control, unreliable. Israel doesn't know where we stand, Iran is getting mixed signals, Obama brags about drone attacks and making out the kill list, which is not what a commander in chief should do. I think the recent Libya attack fiasco is representative of Obama's foreign policy. He calls it a terrorist attack, flies off to Vegas to campaign, then decides it was a crowd riot over a youtube video, then we make a video featuring Hillary and Obama denouncing the youtube video as if the source of the Libya attacks, and now Obama is pre-announcing further drone attacks in Libya because it appears it was a planned terrorist attack, Obama is all over the map on foreign policy. His only positive is bin Laden, and the CIA and Navy seal team 6 in my book have credit for that, not Obama. You think terrorists respect this type of leadership? This only incites them.

What is your take Easy?
J,

Seriously, you've already made clear what you do and don't read and have made it a point to complain on how what's offered is too much for you/you never read it...and I addressed that in #140. If you want a serious response and will read it, cool...but if you're going to avoid it, I'm really not inclined on interacting on the issue. Simple as that

I've already shared my stances before....but for the sake of others, I'll bring some of them up. As said before (in references), I think the president has been wise in strategy with both Iran and Syria (even though I do think there are some things off with Syria as it concerns supplying aid to others who often harm other groups like Christians). The sanctions against Iran are doing well and the president has shown resolve in choosing non-violent resistance--choosing to beat an enemy before you face him. With Israel, the fact that there has been given EXTENSIVE amounts of trade in military aid/funding is a big deal and many in Israel have noted their appreciation for it...with those groups in Israel who are wanting Israelis/Palestinians to work together for peace saying it's significant what the president has done.

When it comes to comes to claiming that he brags about drone attacks and making out the kill list, it is no different than Bush when announcing before the American people that he was going to go after Al-Queda--even saying "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists" ..and letting people know how they suspected Osama was in Saudi Arabia and later Afaganistan. Presidents have the authority to make clear to others where they have the means of taking others out and that's common when it comes to making a point of having real threats for those threatening the U.S. I do think that there's something to be said on how (as it concerns the Kill List) others need to make up their minds as to what they want. For if it's about going after Al-Queda and terrorists/protecting others, the president has made that a top priority and has shown he means business....and effective strategy, even though it may test his principles.

I'm not of the mindset that his use of drones is by any means beneficial to all, as others have gotten caught in the crossfire. In using the drones, his focus is to not use up the lives of military men/send them into battle needlessly since one can use technology to address things. However, there are costs to that. The Democratic Party is proud of its warrior president and the Republicans can hardly find fault. But the truth behind the U.S. war in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and elsewhere is something many deem akin to Imperialism...and claim that Obama/others would like to remain under wraps. It is an open secret that Obama has been busy quietly expanding U.S. military interventions in many countries abroad. For example, Rolling Stone noted “American drones have been sent to spy on or kill targets in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Somalia and Libya,” and pointed out that 3000 alleged terrorists, including “at least” 4 U.S. citizens, have been assassinated". The article cited a “collateral damage” of “more than 800 “defenseless civilians..and more can be found here at The Rise of the Killer Drones: How America Goes to War in Secret.

I wasn't a fan of Bush when it came to his war on Terror (as much of it I felt was a false flag used to expand the global elite's power)---and I've often said that President Obama is not disconnected from global elites either. What Bush started, Obama has greatly escalated. Where the Bush regime was responsible for launching 52 drone strikes in Pakistan, the Obama regime is responsible for at least 260 in Pakistan so far, as well as dozens in other countries. Where Bush talked about a “global war on terror” Obama is turning it into more of a reality.

For those wanting to address the issue of terrorism, it seems odd that they'd ignore where the president has kept good on his word to do just that. As said best by one reporter by CNN:
.. is there any merit to the notion that the Obama administration is spilling secrets to burnish its national security record? To help answer that question, let's quickly recall some of that record:
-- In the first two years of his presidency, Obama quintupled the number of CIA drone strikes in Pakistan, as a result more or less destroying al Qaeda there.

-- Obama has conducted around 40 drone strikes and airstrikes in Yemen, compared with the Bush administration's single drone strike there.

-- One of those Obama drone strikes killed the New Mexico-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, which appears to be the first time an American president has authorized the assassination of a U.S. citizen.

-- According to reliable news reports of drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen, Obama has authorized strikes that led to the killing of at least 1,900 people, most of whom were militants but around 5% of whom were civilians. (The toll of 1,900 is more than double the total number of detainees who have passed through Guantanamo).

-- And, of course, Obama ordered the raid that killed bin Laden, a decision that was made against the advice of two of his most senior advisers, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who had served every president going back to Richard Nixon, and Vice President Joe Biden, who was elected to the Senate when Obama was 11.
This does not seem to be the record of a president who needs to bolster his national security credentials, something that seems to be well-understood by the American public.
The Lybia situation is not something I saw as negative since he responded to it, deeming it terroristic and sought to take action. One doesn't cancel all other engagements to address it, as other presidents have done the same......and the president not addressing something immediately doesn't mean he'll not address it in a way that tackles it fully in the long run. The president hasn't had the personality type of repsonding by full force once there's aggression on the U.S. He's a Statesman....and patient. As it concerns Osama Bin Laden, I think he has done more positives besides that----and in reality, as many military leaders have noted, it's dishonorable trying to say that it was only the CIA and Navy seals who did that. Ultimately, it was the Commander in CHief who ordered the directive---and his actions saved a lot of time and lives.

More was shared with you on that expliclty, as seen in #46. As said there, all of the U.S still looked to Bush when he said he'd go after the terrorists and wage war on terrorism--cheering him on regardless and noting that all presidents who did so needed to be supported. Nonetheless, as other terrorists were nto all captured during his term, the logic dictates that people really concerned about terrorists need to support it in other terms and support those who help in doing so. As AL-Queda was doing damage to others long past 9/11 and potentially planning other things, it was proper for President Obama to address it....and bring others to justice who needed to be caught. If it had been Bush, who personally said he'd bring them to justice, the nation would have cheered him on----but only when it's President Obama is it the case that there're numerous complaints of "stealing credit" when he manages to get the man or failure to acknowledge where he was concerned for bringing terrorists to justice when he did so. That is the reality of judgment via bias.

In 2006, the CIA actually closed its unit dedicated to finding bin Laden, though agents said tracking him remained a high priority. ...and President Obama did just that. In announcing that Bin Laden had been killed , President Obama credited the "countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals" who have worked in anonymity for nearly a decade to find bin Laden. He thanked the men who carried out the operation for their "professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage." Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), the incoming chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, said almost immediately after the address that Mr. Obama deserves credit for bin Laden's fall, hailing his "leadership in making the targeting of Osama Bin Laden our highest military and intelligence priority." Even some Republicans agreed: New York Rep. Peter King said Mr. Obama deserves "tremendous credit," while many prominent potential GOP presidential candidates - including Mitch Daniels, Jon Huntsman and Mitt Romney -- lauded the president (among others) for his role.

Peter Wehner, a former deputy assistant to Mr. Bush, wrote that the killing of bin Laden stopped a damaging emerging narrative that Mr. Obama is "inept and feckless" on foreign policy. He also pointed to one of the most important decisions Mr. Obama made: Not to bomb the compound but rather to send in a Navy SEAL team to take bin Laden out. That decision, he suggested, will be central to how Mr. Obama's role is remembered. "President Obama took a risky (but wise) gamble in opting for sending in Navy SEALs instead of bombing the bin Laden compound to smithereens," wrote Wehner. "The president's decision was rewarded. Bin Laden was killed; his body has been identified; a treasure trove of intelligence was reportedly found; and innocent lives were saved. Mr. Obama's role was not incidental in all this; it was his decision that made it come to pass. That won't be forgotten."

There were many around the nation who rallied behind President Obama when it came to his commitment in bringing terrorist to justice even though he wanted to bring troops back from Iraq/withdraw---and others were thankful due to avenging the deaths of thousands who had been killed. People need to give honor where it's due...and other soldiers/warriors who see things as they are have done just that:

Obama Pushes Congress For Vets Jobs- Full Video Of MN Speech

The culture in the military has grown increasingly conservative in recent years, one former special operations soldier told CBS News, and there was broad apprehension about President Obama when he took office - including in the SEALs. But according to the former special operative, senior special operations leadership has warmed to Mr. Obama during his time in office because the president has shown he is a risk-taker (as evidenced by his decision to go forward with the bin Laden mission) who has "given them a longer leash" than former President George W. Bush did.


"They're tickled s*itless because the guy has approved missions and the use of predator drones to a greater extent than his predecessor," said the former special ops soldier. (John Brennan, the president's top counter-terrorism official, on Monday offered a rare discussion and defense of the Obama administration's campaign of drone strikes, which have killed suspected militants as well as civilians. )

It really doesn't matter what terrorists think, as it concerns bringing up the point that terrorists don't respect that...for terrorist don't respect people in general and they didn't respect Bush or other presidents. People take seriously, however, presidents who do good on their threats..

That said, although more could be shared, I'll save it for after others get involved.
 
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Shalom :)

For whoever may be interested, I came across a good review (IMHO) recently that greatly intrigued me when it came to noting some of the ways it seems that the president has been ignored on things foreign policy-related that have been beneficial to the nation...and focused on when it comes to the negatives he has done as well. To me, it seems inaccurate to focus solely on the negatives done by someone while intentionally ignoring where they do things that other presidents/leaders suggested and they were praised.

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I stopped reading at the claim of the Iraq war costing "$800 trillion dollars".
 
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...wait, violating another nations borders with a combat force (Pakistan) was a good thing? I thought we used to call that an act of war?
There was no violation, just as it's not an act of war to have troops left in Iraq as a peace-keeping measure after the war is over. The decision to designate the Haqqani network, a Taliban-allied extremist organization based on Pakistan's side of the mountainous border with Afghanistan, was made under pressure from Congress and avoids Republican election-year criticism that the administration is too accommodating toward Pakistan....and there've already been sanctions on the assets of those in view to free their accounts/hinder their development.

More here and here at Pakistan Must Pressure Taliban, Former U.S. Envoy Says

As said here:



Pakistan has become a major focus of Mr. Obama's national security team, as the Taliban insurgency has spread through the country's western regions.

In February, officials said that Mr. Obama had decided to step up the Predator missile strikes against militant camps within Pakistan, despite protests from its government. In March, President Obama offered Pakistan a partnership and a promise of $1.5 billion in aid for each of the next five years to help defeat the Taliban. And he appointed Mr. Holbrooke as a special envoy to the region in an effort to stop the Taliban from continuing to destabilize, and threatening to devour, the country.

Pakistan has become a major focus of Mr. Obama's national security team, as the Taliban insurgency has spread through the country's western regions.

In February, officials said that Mr. Obama had decided to step up the Predator missile strikes against militant camps within Pakistan, despite protests from its government. In March, President Obama offered Pakistan a partnership and a promise of $1.5 billion in aid for each of the next five years to help defeat the Taliban. And he appointed Mr. Holbrooke as a special envoy to the region in an effort to stop the Taliban from continuing to destabilize, and threatening to devour, the country.

Mr. Obama's approach, however, faces serious uncertainty, because of the weakness of the Pakistani government and doubts about the commitment of the Pakistani military to fighting the insurgency. The Taliban has steadily increased its power and the areas it controls, in both the Swat Valley, where it imposed shariah law with the government's consent, and in the Buner District, a strategically important section just 70 miles from the capital of Islamabad. The fall of Buner to the Taliban in late April has raised new international alarm about the ability of the Pakistani government to fend off the unrelenting Taliban advance.

Officially, Pakistan's government welcomed Mr. Obama's strategy, hailing it as a "positive change." But as the Obama administration tries to bring Pakistanis to its side, large parts of the Pakistani public, the political class and the military have brushed off the plan, rebuffing the idea that the threat from Al Qaedaand the Taliban, which Washington calls a common enemy, is so urgent. Many Pakistanis have concluded that reaching an accommodation with the militants is preferable to fighting them.

Under pressure from the Obama administration, and as Pakistan's president, Asif Ali Zardari, met with President Obama at the White House, Pakistan said its forces were trying to turn back an encroachment by Taliban militants that has brought the insurgents to within 60 miles of Islamabad.
 
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I stopped reading at the claim of the Iraq war costing "$800 trillion dollars".
I got over it when when considering the issue of incomplete statements. The Iraq war had cost more than $800 billion since 2001 and the Afghan war, $467 billion plus. Altogether, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost the U.S. between $4 trillion and $6 trillion, more than half of which would be due to the fighting in Iraq, said Neta Crawford, a political science professor at Brown University. It may as well have been 800 trillion since we're (at this rate) just as likely to pay back that much as we are 800 billion.

That said, there are plenty of other things in foreign policy which are worth addressing and it'd not be logical (IMHO) to skip past that due to a misstatement on trillion as opposed to billion.
 
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Pukes. obama is a foreign policy failure, the Benghazi debacle is proof of that.
Not really seeing where it was a failure since there has been response/addressment of the situation and many have noted that the president was practicing statesmanship in not responding in the typical manner may are used to with blowing everything up. Arguing that President Obama is somehow at fault for the terrorist attack that occurred at the American embassy in Libya isn't consistent---for if Republicans can blame President Obama for a minor terrorist attack half a world away, then President Bush can certainly be blamed for the September 11, 2001 attacks, as he received multiple classified documents just months before the attack essentially stating that Al-Qaeda was determined to strike America.
 
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True, but you are not entitled to your own set.

Cost of War to the United States | COSTOFWAR.COM
Indeed, and being entitled to one's own set of facts includes avoiding context of what was said and what else has been said on it---similar to someone saying that we need to defend democracy and then another saying "Oh, that's a mistake since we have a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC!!! I'm not listening to another thing you say"...as if generalizations don't occur or people don't use langauge that isn't literally accurate on all points. Everyone on the forum has done that at some point, yourself included, but the spirit of what was said wasn't missed...and that goes for what the man said when it came to the Iraq War costing an insane amount of dollars/being needless in many ways..something that needed to be cleaned up.

As said before, I got over the "$800 trillion" issue when when considering the issue of incomplete statements. The Iraq war had cost more than $800 billion since 2001 and the Afghan war, $467 billion plus. Altogether, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost the U.S. between $4 trillion and $6 trillion, more than half of which would be due to the fighting in Iraq, said Neta Crawford, a political science professor at Brown University. It may as well have been 800 trillion since we're (at this rate) just as likely to pay back that much as we are 800 billion.

That said, there are plenty of other things in foreign policy which are worth addressing and it'd not be logical (IMHO) to skip past that due to a misstatement on trillion as opposed to billion.
 
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...thanks for posting that.

Obama, unlike his predecessor, destroyed most of the Al Qaeda leadership. It's a fact that our friends on the ideological "right" just can't swallow.
True....and it's unfortunate, as it seems to be a double-standard when the same things done by the previous president (or presidents) would have been praised---but only is it either belittled or demonized if the current president does something on it.
 
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I'm sorry, but if an author can't get one simple dollar figure correct, then I doubt anything else he puts forth requiring greater mental capacity. Perhaps you have a better source to support your claims?
By the logic you're utilizing, that'd mean that everytime you made a spelling error/someone got the wrong impression, they would be right in dismissing you. That'd not be reasonable (nor would it mean your point was invalid) and others have given grace, be it when has been done by you or others--and the same can be said of the one in question with the dollar figure. Goodness, other presidential figures have done the same..and as it concerns the cost of war estimated to have cost the U.S. $800 billion. , there are other places one can go such as Iraq war ends with a $4 trillion IOU - MarketWatch and Iraq War Shaped Obama's Foreign Policy — White House Memo ... and Could We 'Fix' Detroit With $800 Billion? Let's Try!

. As it is, a dollar figure has nothing to do with addressing the rest of what was said apart from that author as it concerns foreign policy (as other things were noted in reference, had one kept reading) and that needs to be addressed rather than skipped...be it on Syria, Asia or a host of other things.
 
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Short and sweet:

The assassination of Osama Bin Laden and Pakistan

Big minus for Obama for continuing state-sponsored assassinations and extrajudical killings with little to no regard to civilian victims. Under international law, there is no right to engage in cross-border killings in Pakistan.

Terrorists should be dealt with as criminals, through legal processes of arrest, trial and judicially decided punishment. Actions like this set precedents for the way in which the right to life will be treated in future instances and President Obama here, again, lowered the bar and stooped down to Bin Laden & his terrorist ilks's level.

Extra minus for Obama Democrats for buying the Bush-Republican-neocon "dead or alive" jingoism hook line and sinker.

Futher huge minus for Obama for escalating to drone war and extrajudical killings in Pakistan. Ditto in Somalia. The civilian casualties are categorigally unacceptable, in effect, death penalties without trials, and the Obama administration's automatic par for the course denials are no different from the Bush administration's. "A new era of responsiblity", really?

Ending the war in Iraq (and Afghanistan)

President Obama successfully managed to make it look like as if he'd ended the war & occupation in Iraq, while in fact he's merely outsourced the killing & dying to non-uniformed PMCs financed by the taxpayer. Ditto Afghanistan, where private military bodies outnumber the uniformed military bodies.

Furthermore, to end the war in Afghanistan Obama's secretary Clinton has been busy bribing and licking the boots of Central Asian authoritarian torture-regimes. I'll give it a decade and once again, these devil's deals will come back to bite the US. Just like US support to the mujahideens of Afghanistan. Just like US support to the oppressive Saudi Regime. Just like US support to Saddam Hussein. Just like US support to Libyan Gaddafi. Big minus for Obama administration for not having learned a thing from US long but so short-sighted deals with with the worst of dictators and tortures.

Libya

A déjà vu of another premature "mission accomplished". Big minus for Obama for not taking the lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan and failing to realise that peace takes much more than mere bombs and a declaration of game over.

Syria, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Yemen...

Saudi Arabia wants al-Assad gone and their kind of client regime in place. It must be a great relief to the oppressive Saudi torture-regime to realise that although President Obama is not of the usual Saudi-friendly Republican big oil stock, President Obama nevertheless supports Saudi interest in the region, such as Saudi tanks in Bahrain to crackdown pro-democracy protestors. Ditto Yemen, where the torture-regime uses the old "terrorist" scapegoat to crackdown domestic opposition and the Obama administration happily provides the guns and drones to do that.

Guantanamo Bay, Bagram

If Gitmo is President Bush's tarnished monument, then Bagram is Obama's. Why aren't the pro-human rights Democrats demanding accountability and responsibility from their man in the White House? Where's the outrage? And don't tell me he can't do it because he's just one man. The man is no less than the President of the United States of America and he promised to end the abuses and indefinite detention. If his predecessor could authorise torture and a whole new regime of abuses, surely the successor can do the opposite. Where there is a will, there is a way. “New era of responsibility" - words but no action?

So why does the US still have secret pro-abuse prisons and black holes of torture under Obama administration? Torture is still torture, even under Democrats.

My verdict: Obama presidency -- an opportunity for change wasted.
 
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Thanks for sharing :)

I thought this was noteworthy to consider:
Mr Obama’s first term has been patchy. On the economy, the most powerful argument in his favour is simply that he stopped it all being a lot worse. America was in a downward economic spiral when he took over, with its banks and carmakers in deep trouble and unemployment rising at the rate of 800,000 a month. His responses—an aggressive stimulus, bailing out General Motors and Chrysler, putting the banks through a sensible stress test and forcing them to raise capital (so that they are now in much better shape than their European peers)—helped avert a Depression. That is a hard message to sell on the doorstep when growth is sluggish and jobs scarce; but it will win Mr Obama some plaudits from history, and it does from us too.

Two other things count, on balance, in his favour. One is foreign policy, where he was also left with a daunting inheritance. Mr Obama has refocused George Bush’s “war on terror” more squarely on terrorists, killing Osama bin Laden, stepping up drone strikes (perhaps too liberally, see article) and retreating from Iraq and Afghanistan (in both cases too quickly for our taste). After a shaky start with China, American diplomacy has made a necessary “pivot” towards Asia. By contrast, with both the Israeli-Palestinian dispute and his “reset” with Russia, he overreached and underdelivered. Iran has continued its worrying crawl towards nuclear weapons....


More on the issue discussed elsewhere (here).
 
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Unethical bribe of defense contractors using taxpayer money to ensure 60 day notice required layoffs do not occur until after the election, coupled with continued delays of findings on Benghazi until after the election?
 
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