Forcing the Chruch to accept homosexuality..

LightHorseman · Sep 2, 2010

Zaac said:
The same way people make every idol: they place it before God in order of importance in their lives.

And anybody who ignores what God's word says about the sin of having homosexual sex and goes through the lengths that yall have in this forum to ignore, rewrite and undo what the words on the pages of God's word say, do so because it is more important to you that folks have homosexual sex without being told that it is a sin, than it is for you to be aligned with what God's word says.

PURE, 100% IDOLATRY.

I see.

Either that, or they just don't think that "God's word" says any such thing about homosexual sex.

vl32 · Sep 2, 2010

LightHorseman said:
How would you propose I have done that?

Thank you for the explaination.

I don't particularly think people are making homosexual sex into an idol in this thread. However, it seems many have more faith in Kinsey than they do the word of God here. I find it kind of sad.

(I have a good link on the myths of the supposed revisions of the KJV; will post when I can.)

However, what I get from some on this board is more faith in Kinsey than the Bible.

Why is Kinsey worth so much faith?

Jase · Sep 2, 2010

Zaac said:
Do you speak and understand Hebrew fluently?

No, I let my studies slip as a kid and never finished Hebrew school.

So who explained to you who Jesus is? Who explained it to them?

Don't remember. This has no bearing on the inerrancy of the Bible. Once again, overarching themes vs. minute details. I could have read the Gospel of Thomas and found out a lot about Jesus.

Jase · Sep 2, 2010

Zaac said:
The same way people make every idol: they place it before God in order of importance in their lives.

And anybody who ignores what God's word says about the sin of having homosexual sex and goes through the lengths that yall have in this forum to ignore, rewrite and undo what the words on the pages of God's word say, do so because it is more important to you that folks have homosexual sex without being told that it is a sin, than it is for you to be aligned with what God's word says.

PURE, 100% IDOLATRY.

Yall might as well build a golden statue of two men having sex and start worshipping it because that is essentially what is being pushed by many in this forum.

The only idolatry I see is the consistent worshipping of the Protestant Bible on these forums. A far greater sin than disagreeing with your comprehension of the Bible.

Jase · Sep 2, 2010

vl32 said:
I don't particularly think people are making homosexual sex into an idol in this thread. However, it seems many have more faith in Kinsey than they do the word of God here. I find it kind of sad.

(I have a good link on the myths of the supposed revisions of the KJV; will post when I can.)

However, what I get from some on this board is more faith in Kinsey than the Bible.

Why is Kinsey worth so much faith?

No one has faith in Kinsey. Scientific evidence, however, is far more trustworthy than what a random internet poster claims their interpretation of a 4000 year old book translated a million times says.

LightHorseman · Sep 2, 2010

Jase said:
The only idolatry I see is the consistent worshipping of the Protestant Bible on these forums. A far greater sin than disagreeing with your comprehension of the Bible.

+1

vl32 · Sep 2, 2010

Jase said:
What do you mean, what is my reference? I don't trust the English Bible for anything but the overarching themes, like salvation, Jesus' ministry, etc. Homosexuality is not an overarching or pertinent theme in the magnitude of the Bible.

The Apostles were held to a very high standard. We are not the Apostles. Paul said it is better to marry than burn.

As a concession yes Paul said that, but he said let each man have his own wife and each woman her own husband. Paul was speaking to the pagan's who had differing sexual lifestyles than that which was acceptable to following Christ.

Marriage has stood for 2,000 years as man and woman. What changes now?

Jase · Sep 2, 2010

vl32 said:
As a concession yes Paul said that, but he said let each man have his own wife and each woman her own husband. Paul was speaking to the pagan's who had differing sexual lifestyles than that which was acceptable to following Christ.

Marriage has stood for 2,000 years as man and woman. What changes now?

Marriage has never been consistent. In the ancient days, marriage was between brothers and sisters, or a man and many wives. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, and the only disapproval God had of that situation was the some of Solomon's wives were foreigners. God himself gave David another man's wives, and offered him even more.

Marriage also used to be between 2 white people, or 2 black people, never 1 white 1 black. That is until us liberals pointed out the error of that "marriage" and got the courts to remove the ban on mixed race marriages.

Marriage changes as society changes. Always has, always will. One Christian denomination does not hold claim to the institution of marriage.

LightHorseman · Sep 2, 2010

vl32 said:
Marriage has stood for 2,000 years as man and woman. What changes now?

That is perhaps a touch simplistic. There are many significant differences between marriage as understood in the West today and as understood by Christ's contemporaries.

However, even if that were not the case, tradition, in and of itself, proves nothing. Slavery is at least as old a human institution as formal marriage, but that doesn't make it any less despicable today, does it?

Zaac · Sep 2, 2010

Jase said:
No, I let my studies slip as a kid and never finished Hebrew school.

How about Greek or Aramaic? Do you speak/or are fluent in either one of those?

I only ask because you don't trust the English and I'm just wondering what version of the Gospel did you hear when you came to faith in Christ?

Don't remember. This has no bearing on the inerrancy of the Bible. Once again, overarching themes vs. minute details. I could have read the Gospel of Thomas and found out a lot about Jesus.

You can read an encyclopedia and find out what man thinks the history of Jesus is. You can't read anything but Scripture and hear what Jesus says about Himself and thereby be saved and set free by the hearing of the word.

So yes, if you are a follower of Jesus Christ, the inerrancy of the Bible matters. No one is saved by hearing lies. It is the TRUTH Who sets men free.

So did you hear the truth or not? Who did you hear it from? Who did they hear it from?

Zaac · Sep 2, 2010

Jase said:
Marriage has never been consistent. In the ancient days, marriage was between brothers and sisters, or a man and many wives. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, and the only disapproval God had of that situation was the some of Solomon's wives were foreigners. God himself gave David another man's wives, and offered him even more.

Marriage also used to be between 2 white people, or 2 black people, never 1 white 1 black. That is until us liberals pointed out the error of that "marriage" and got the courts to remove the ban on mixed race marriages.

Marriage changes as society changes. Always has, always will. One Christian denomination does not hold claim to the institution of marriage.

And notice that nowhere in there, as crazy as some of that might seem to man, God NEVER in His word examples marriage as being between two people of the same sex, but rather, ALWAYS affirms such a coupling as sinful.

Zaac · Sep 2, 2010

LightHorseman said:
That is perhaps a touch simplistic.

Yes simple and to the point is too easy for those who want to breed confusion and rewrite God's word to accommodate their sin.

The more complicated they can make it, the better they feel about justifying their sin.

The goal of many in this forum is the same as the devil in the garden: to confuse by calling what God says into question.

Too simple, indeed. The gig is up. If you're gonna try to convince somebody, at least try a less popular tactic than the devil's "does it really say that"?

LightHorseman · Sep 2, 2010

Zaac said:
And notice that nowhere in there, as crazy as some of that might seem to man, God NEVER in His word examples marriage as being between two people of the same sex,

learn the difference between PROscriptive and DEscriptive.

but rather, ALWAYS affirms such a coupling as sinful.

Never actually mentions such a coupling at all.

LightHorseman · Sep 2, 2010

Zaac said:
Yes simple and to the point is too easy for those who want to breed confusion and rewrite God's word to accommodate their sin.

The more complicated they can make it, the better they feel about justifying their sin.

The goal of many in this forum is the same as the devil in the garden: to confuse by calling what God says into question.

Too simple, indeed. The gig is up. If you're gonna try to convince somebody, at least try a less popular tactic than the devil's "does it really say that"?

I didn't say anything about what anything says. I was pointing out that the nature of marriage is not and never has been, static.

Or do you believe your wife is chatel?

vl32 · Sep 2, 2010

Okay, let's say for instance, in Romans 1, Paul IS addressing Nero and his homosexual type 'wives' and the early homosexual pagan acts of the ancient Romans. Now if that were the case (and I believe it is) than what Paul wrote in Romans 1 about Nero and the early Roman pagan homosexual beliefs -- I would like to state to the church that there is every probability that speaking about Nero's male "wife" or "wives" is what got the early Christian's killed and fed to the lion's. And, possibly got Paul murdered as well.

Now if Christian's were killed for preaching this in ancient Rome, then it is unequivocally without a doubt not something that should be accepted by any Christian as anything other than sin. People got themselves killed for preaching this! So, to accept homosexuality as not sin, is like saying the Apostles were murdered for no reason, and that would just be horrible and I cannot accept that.

Phinehas2 · Sep 2, 2010

Jase,

The only idolatry I see is the consistent worshipping of the Protestant Bible on these forums.

Then perhaps this forum isnt for you.

A far greater sin than disagreeing with your comprehension of the Bible.

We can see what the Bible says, you are only kidding yourself.
Homosexuality is a dysfunctional sin and error. Dont take my word for it take God's ..

Gods creation purpose for man and woman
Gen 2 23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, '
for she was taken out of man."
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Matt 19 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh']?
Mark 10 "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'[a] 7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.'[c] So they are no longer two, but one
Eph 5 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mysterybut I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
1 Cor 7 It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

Gods condemnation of homosexuality
Gen 19 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodomboth young and oldsurrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Leviticus 18 22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
29 " 'Everyone who does any of these detestable thingssuch persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.' "
Leviticus 20 13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.
1 Corinthians 6
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1- 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion

One of the warnings to believers.
Jude 1 3Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4For certain men whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord

Phinehas2 · Sep 2, 2010

Lighthorseman,

Never actually mentions such a coupling at all.

Wrong

Gods creation purpose for man and woman
Gen 2 23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, '
for she was taken out of man."
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Matt 19 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh']?
Mark 10 "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'[a] 7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.'[c] So they are no longer two, but one
Eph 5 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mysterybut I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
1 Cor 7 It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

Gods condemnation of homosexuality
Gen 19 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodomboth young and oldsurrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Leviticus 18 22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
29 " 'Everyone who does any of these detestable thingssuch persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.' "
Leviticus 20 13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.
1 Corinthians 6
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1- 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion

One of the warnings to believers.
Jude 1 3Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4For certain men whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord

Zaac · Sep 2, 2010

LightHorseman said:
learn the difference between PROscriptive and DEscriptive.

Learn the difference between "Thus sayeth the Lord" and "what homosexuals and their sympathizers want the word to say".

Never actually mentions such a coupling at all.

Because He didn't have to. He affirms the type of couple that is to be married while affirming same sex intercourse as sinful.

But that is too simplistic for the endorsers of homosexual sex and their sympathizers.

Phinehas2 · Sep 2, 2010

Learn the difference between "Thus sayeth the Lord" and "what homosexuals and their sympathizers want the word to say".

Exactly.
The word of God has been givne many times, the word of homosxuals is 'God doesnt say', 'thats your interpretation', 'thats out of context'

Its a view based on denying God's word at every opportunity if it affects the god of gay

Zaac · Sep 2, 2010

LightHorseman said:
I didn't say anything about what anything says.

Sure you did. You called what vl32 said about marriage a touch simplistic and then proceeded to complicate what marriage is.

I was pointing out that the nature of marriage is not and never has been, static.

It is as static as the one who formed the covenant of marriage.

Learn the difference between what God says marriage is and what man has attempted to transform marriage into.

Or do you believe your wife is chatel?

I don't have a wife.

One of the warnings to believers.
Jude 1 “3Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord

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