Forcing a homosexual to change dorm rooms, discrimination?

[Belk]

If they had forced her to change rooms (which they didn't do, correct?) then it most certainly would have been discrimination. After all, the myth that all gay/bisexual people will have sex with every single same-sex individual they meet is just that, a myth. There are plenty of gay/bisexual people (such as myself) who know how to control themselves (or, in my case, who just aren't lucky in love). I have a female roommate at college, and I've never done anything even remotely sexual with her. So why should the assumption be that all gays/bisexuals would do anything sexual with a same-sex roommate?

Because the thought of lesbian coeds is a long cherished male fantasy?

 

[Skaloop]

Because the thought of lesbian coeds is a long cherished male fantasy?

Bra and panties pillow fights are just a fantasy? Dang.

 

[Belk]

Bra and panties pillow fights are just a fantasy? Dang.

Only real when the FSM comes back and touches us with his noodley appendage I'm afraid.

 

[Skaloop]

Only real when the FSM comes back and touches us with his noodley appendage I'm afraid.

Sweet. I just hope I can get a good seat equidistant from that, the beer volcano, and the stripper factory.

 

[mikey12561]

If they had forced her to change rooms (which they didn't do, correct?) then it most certainly would have been discrimination. After all, the myth that all gay/bisexual people will have sex with every single same-sex individual they meet is just that, a myth. There are plenty of gay/bisexual people (such as myself) who know how to control themselves (or, in my case, who just aren't lucky in love). I have a female roommate at college, and I've never done anything even remotely sexual with her. So why should the assumption be that all gays/bisexuals would do anything sexual with a same-sex roommate?

This I actually agree with. You put it in better words then what I could with my post.

 

[mikey12561]

Because the thought of lesbian coeds is a long cherished male fantasy?

Oh get your mind out of the gutter golly

 

[lawtonfogle]

If they had forced her to change rooms (which they didn't do, correct?) then it most certainly would have been discrimination. After all, the myth that all gay/bisexual people will have sex with every single same-sex individual they meet is just that, a myth. There are plenty of gay/bisexual people (such as myself) who know how to control themselves (or, in my case, who just aren't lucky in love). I have a female roommate at college, and I've never done anything even remotely sexual with her. So why should the assumption be that all gays/bisexuals would do anything sexual with a same-sex roommate?

What about the myth that any male/female pair will have sex together? You do realize my school separated males and females on the chance that some couple might be having sex, so it seems like it would be discrimination to allow two homosexuals to room together, not because they will have sex, but just because they may.


This is just another symptom of a larger problem. Our society is largely male/female divided in areas that are sexual or semi-sexually related (whom you room with in a public institution, bathrooms). Now, if there is a good reason to split up males and females due to their, on average, possibility of heterosexual attraction, then there is good reason to split homosexuals due to the possibility of homosexuals attractions.

 

[Verv]

They separate boys and girls to avoid sex issues.

It would just as soon be: we separate people attracted to men from the men so they do not have sex issues, and we separate people attracted to women from the women so they do not have any issues.

And moreover: we also separate them so there is not the awkwardness of being forced to be in various forms of undress before someone you belive to be attracted to you.

I would not feel comfortable coming out of the shower in just a towel in front of someone I knew was potentially sexually aroused by me (unless they were my spouse).

It is not discrimination but rather a sensible policy designed to better us.

 

[Shrader25]

They separate boys and girls to avoid sex issues.

It would just as soon be: we separate people attracted to men from the men so they do not have sex issues, and we separate people attracted to women from the women so they do not have any issues.

And moreover: we also separate them so there is not the awkwardness of being forced to be in various forms of undress before someone you belive to be attracted to you.

I would not feel comfortable coming out of the shower in just a towel in front of someone I knew was potentially sexually aroused by me (unless they were my spouse).

It is not discrimination but rather a sensible policy designed to better us.

So then should every institution have to build a homosexual male/female dormitory?

 

[HannahBanana]

What about the myth that any male/female pair will have sex together? You do realize my school separated males and females on the chance that some couple might be having sex, so it seems like it would be discrimination to allow two homosexuals to room together, not because they will have sex, but just because they may.


This is just another symptom of a larger problem. Our society is largely male/female divided in areas that are sexual or semi-sexually related (whom you room with in a public institution, bathrooms). Now, if there is a good reason to split up males and females due to their, on average, possibility of heterosexual attraction, then there is good reason to split homosexuals due to the possibility of homosexuals attractions.

Okay, so name one situation in which a heterosexual would be forced by the school to have his/her own room, with no roommates at all. Unless you can do that, I stand firm in my stance that this is, in fact, discrimination. Everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, should be entitled to a roommate. After all, having your own dorm room can be hazardous for some people. I mean, would you want a suicidal person or a person with agoraphobic or depressed tendencies to have his/her own room, thus increasing the chances that he/she would let his/her mental illness take over (and, in the case of suicidal thoughts, possibly end up killing him/herself)?

 

[HannahBanana]

They separate boys and girls to avoid sex issues.

It would just as soon be: we separate people attracted to men from the men so they do not have sex issues, and we separate people attracted to women from the women so they do not have any issues.

And moreover: we also separate them so there is not the awkwardness of being forced to be in various forms of undress before someone you belive to be attracted to you.

I would not feel comfortable coming out of the shower in just a towel in front of someone I knew was potentially sexually aroused by me (unless they were my spouse).

It is not discrimination but rather a sensible policy designed to better us.

So, just because I'm bisexual, that means that I shouldn't be entitled to a roommate of either gender? I should just be separated from everyone else, as though I'm some sort of leper?

 

[Verv]

So then should every institution have to build a homosexual male/female dormitory?

No. Rather, the way it was handled was fine: give them their own room in a normal building. If people ask why they do not have a roommate, they can do one of two things:

- Come out of the closet.
- Shrug and say they do not know why.

So, just because I'm bisexual, that means that I shouldn't be entitled to a roommate of either gender? I should just be separated from everyone else, as though I'm some sort of leper?

You should be given a room where there would not develop any sexual tension.

You are not a leper, and you are not separated from others. You are merely given a room that does not cause sexual issues to ever arise.

I am sure you are well behaved and a good, upright person.

But imagine a heterosexual student who is bunking with a homosexual or bisexual student that is sexually harassing them; or perhaps a homosexual or bisexual student who is being harassed by a straight roommate.

Or imagine how uncomfortable a person would potentially feel being sexually attracted to their roommate that comes out of the shower in a towel?

I know if I was rooming with a female I found sexually attractive, there would be tension in the sense that I would become sexually aroused if she was scantily clad and such, and I would not want that.

I lived with a woman who was not my girlfriend for about two months. I had a different girlfriend at the time. We'd see each other in different states of undress and what have you. One night, while we were drunk, we ended up making out and nearly having sex.

That was a lesson to the extent that I learned that even when you have no intention of something like that happening the circumstances can change.

Imagine two intoxicated roommates and the homosexual one suddenly makes a move on their roommate. Negative things could happen.

That is what is trying to be avoided.

 

[yasic]

I too hold the position that it is not discrimination.

If the reason men and women are separated is to keep people who are sexually attracted to each other out of the same room (where stages of undress occur) than separating homosexuals would also be important.

I would say that if enough homosexuals are coming out of the closet, then a special dorm building should be made exclusively for homosexuals (if the school separates dorm buildings by sex).

In other words, I do not want homosexuals treated any differently than anybody else.


And for the issue of bisexuals... well I would give them each a separate dorm room. It might be a bit costly but its the only real solution I see (though I can understand an argument to put them together for financial reasons)

 

[HannahBanana]

I too hold the position that it is not discrimination.

If the reason men and women are separated is to keep people who are sexually attracted to each other out of the same room (where stages of undress occur) than separating homosexuals would also be important.

I would say that if enough homosexuals are coming out of the closet, then a special dorm building should be made exclusively for homosexuals (if the school separates dorm buildings by sex).

In other words, I do not want homosexuals treated any differently than anybody else.


And for the issue of bisexuals... well I would give them each a separate dorm room. It might be a bit costly but its the only real solution I see (though I can understand an argument to put them together for financial reasons)

How would you feel if one of the bisexuals who was forced to have his/her own room ended up killing him/herself (or needing serious psychiatric attention) just because he/she didn't have a roommate? Would you still be okay with the idea of forcing bisexuals to room alone? Like it or not, not everyone should have their own room, without a roommate to keep tabs on them. There are plenty of mentally ill bisexuals in colleges these days, and do you really think those students should be trusted to have their own room?

 

[lawtonfogle]

So then should every institution have to build a homosexual male/female dormitory?

Or perhaps get over our sexophobia and allow people to pick whom they want a roommates, coed or not, sexual attraction or not. That or just have separate rooms for everyone. That works as well.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Okay, so name one situation in which a heterosexual would be forced by the school to have his/her own room, with no roommates at all.

Easy. In the case where the only available roommate is someone of the opposite sex.

Unless you can do that, I stand firm in my stance that this is, in fact, discrimination. Everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, should be entitled to a roommate.

But if they can have someone they are sexually attracted to, then so should I be able to at least have the POSSIBILITY of rooming with someone of the opposite sex. To say that males only rooming with males and females only rooming with females regardless of attraction is equal is like saying males only marrying females and females only marrying males is equal, and we both know the 'but gays already have equal marriage rights' argument is total hogwash.

After all, having your own dorm room can be hazardous for some people. I mean, would you want a suicidal person or a person with agoraphobic or depressed tendencies to have his/her own room, thus increasing the chances that he/she would let his/her mental illness take over (and, in the case of suicidal thoughts, possibly end up killing him/herself)?

Perhaps having a roommate will result in increased chances of entering a furious rage which will cause you to suddenly pull your your ridiculously over-sized FFVII sword and cut the school in half? I think we can come up with off the wall special cases where having/not having a roommate is in everyones best interest.

 

[lawtonfogle]

So, just because I'm bisexual, that means that I shouldn't be entitled to a roommate of either gender? I should just be separated from everyone else, as though I'm some sort of leper?

IF:
Not allowing people who may possibly have a sexual attraction either one way or both way is a good idea.
THEN:
Yes.

Perhaps separating people based off of gender is a bad idea to begin with though?

 

[yasic]

How would you feel if one of the bisexuals who was forced to have his/her own room ended up killing him/herself (or needing serious psychiatric attention) just because he/she didn't have a roommate? Would you still be okay with the idea of forcing bisexuals to room alone? Like it or not, not everyone should have their own room, without a roommate to keep tabs on them. There are plenty of mentally ill bisexuals in colleges these days, and do you really think those students should be trusted to have their own room?

If it could be shown that a person is in great threat from living alone, then I would say the safety requirement trumps the odd chances that they will end up sexually using their roommate, and then I will say they should be paired up. Were this the case, and a college had an odd number of male and female students, then by the same logic I would have the college force the odd male and odd female to live together for safety reasons.

This however seems very unlikely to be true, if for no other reason than my persona; 'evidence' that I lived alone just fine.


If instead you are implying that it could be shown that specifically bisexuals have, for whatever reason, the trait that they become suicidal if they live alone, then bisexuality should be named a mental disorder (it certainly qualifies under the current definition) and bisexuals should be institutionalized for their own safety as well as the safety of people around them.


If it can be shown that it is only specific bisexuals who have this trait, I would do with them the same thing I would do to a heterosexual who shows suicidal tendencies: institutionalize him for his safety and the safety of others.

People who are so dysfunctional (and I mean that in the sense that they are victims, not that they are evil) that they are incapable of living alone have no business in a college until they can get their issues resolved. (though I see no issue with them taking an online degree)

 

[yasic]

Or perhaps get over our sexophobia and allow people to pick whom they want a roommates, coed or not, sexual attraction or not. That or just have separate rooms for everyone. That works as well.

If a college does this, I have no issue with that.

I just feel homosexuals should be subject to the same rules heterosexuals are subject too, regardless of what they are for the specific college.

 

[lawtonfogle]

How would you feel if one of the bisexuals who was forced to have his/her own room ended up killing him/herself (or needing serious psychiatric attention) just because he/she didn't have a roommate? Would you still be okay with the idea of forcing bisexuals to room alone? Like it or not, not everyone should have their own room, without a roommate to keep tabs on them. There are plenty of mentally ill bisexuals in colleges these days, and do you really think those students should be trusted to have their own room?

How would you feel if one of the males who was forced to have a room with another male roommate ended up killing himself (or needing serious psychiatric attention) just because he didn't have a female roommate? Would you still be okay with the idea of forcing males to room only with males?