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Forcing a homosexual to change dorm rooms, discrimination?

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lawtonfogle

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Ok, so here is a story of something which happened back when I was in high school. I happened to spend a the last few years of my high school at a magnet school which was live in. Thus we had dorm rooms. But since (almost) all of us were minors, to avoid any sex crime related issues, males and females were kept in two separate dormitories.

Now, it just so happened that a female, during the school year, came out as being homosexual. I missed this event myself (was too focused on studies, and it was mostly kept hush hush), but learned of it years later from a friend. After she came out, she was assigned to a dorm room by herself.

Now, I do not know if she requested this change, if they asked her to make this change and she agreed, or if this change was forced. So my question is this, is it discrimination?

If she had been forced to move into a dorm room alone, would this constitute discrimination?

Had her roommate been bisexual/homosexual as well, they could have formed a sexual relationship, which considering their status as minors, could have made for very negative publicity for the school (parents in general would not want to send their children off to school that allows them to have sex), not to mention possible legal troubles (they were both minors).

Also, her roommate could have felt uncomfortable with the situation. I am pretty sure many female children would feel uncomfortable rooming with a male, especially one she had not attraction to but whom may or may not have had attraction to her.

Now, there is also a chance that both of them would have been okay rooming together (as I said, I don't know, I didn't here about this till much later). Yet, even if they both would have been okay with it, would the risk of the either of the previous two situations, especially the first, justified the administration requiring her to move to a separate room? The administration would not let a male and female room together, even if they both agreed to it and said nothing sexual would happen. The administration didn't even allow a male to be inside a females room with the door close (or a female inside a males room), and males/females were only allowed to visit each other room on Saturday nights, and there was constant monitoring by adults to make sure nothing sexual happened.

So given all this, would forcing her to move to her own room be discrimination?
 

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Ok, so here is a story of something which happened back when I was in high school. I happened to spend a the last few years of my high school at a magnet school which was live in. Thus we had dorm rooms. But since (almost) all of us were minors, to avoid any sex crime related issues, males and females were kept in two separate dormitories.

Now, it just so happened that a female, during the school year, came out as being homosexual. I missed this event myself (was too focused on studies, and it was mostly kept hush hush), but learned of it years later from a friend. After she came out, she was assigned to a dorm room by herself.

Now, I do not know if she requested this change, if they asked her to make this change and she agreed, or if this change was forced. So my question is this, is it discrimination?

If she had been forced to move into a dorm room alone, would this constitute discrimination?

Had her roommate been bisexual/homosexual as well, they could have formed a sexual relationship, which considering their status as minors, could have made for very negative publicity for the school (parents in general would not want to send their children off to school that allows them to have sex), not to mention possible legal troubles (they were both minors).

Also, her roommate could have felt uncomfortable with the situation. I am pretty sure many female children would feel uncomfortable rooming with a male, especially one she had not attraction to but whom may or may not have had attraction to her.

Now, there is also a chance that both of them would have been okay rooming together (as I said, I don't know, I didn't here about this till much later). Yet, even if they both would have been okay with it, would the risk of the either of the previous two situations, especially the first, justified the administration requiring her to move to a separate room? The administration would not let a male and female room together, even if they both agreed to it and said nothing sexual would happen. The administration didn't even allow a male to be inside a females room with the door close (or a female inside a males room), and males/females were only allowed to visit each other room on Saturday nights, and there was constant monitoring by adults to make sure nothing sexual happened.

So given all this, would forcing her to move to her own room be discrimination?

I was about to reply to this in the other thread...

Getting a personal room with no roommate would be, to me, a huge plus.

But, as to the discrimination part, it all depends (no "yes or no" answer here!). If the roommate had a problem with it, then not discrimination. Roommates can have issues for a variety of reasons, and most schools, as far as I know, try to accomodate those issues by moving people around.

If she was already out, and her roommate was OK with it, then forcing her to change would be borderline. If it was "We're giving you your own room, but that is due to school policy, but your sexuality is of no real concern" that might be OK. If it was "You are getting your own room, and do not mention your sexuality to anyone because you will damage the school's reputation" then I would say probably not OK.

Oh, and also, the whole "risk of forming a homsexual relationship" thing is ridiculous. You don't have to be roommates to be sexual with someone, and if two young people want to hook up (be they straight or gay), they will find a way.
 
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I was about to reply to this in the other thread...

Getting a personal room with no roommate would be, to me, a huge plus.

But, as to the discrimination part, it all depends (no "yes or no" answer here!). If the roommate had a problem with it, then not discrimination. Roommates can have issues for a variety of reasons, and most schools, as far as I know, try to accomodate those issues by moving people around.

If she was already out, and her roommate was OK with it, then forcing her to change would be borderline. If it was "We're giving you your own room, but that is due to school policy, but your sexuality is of no real concern" that might be OK. If it was "You are getting your own room, and do not mention your sexuality to anyone because you will damage the school's reputation" then I would say probably not OK.
She was allowed to be quite open about her sexual orientation. The second year she was there, she worked to form a Gay-Straight Alliance there (I did not find out about the forced to change rooms till later). My point here was that allowing two minors were (or may have been) sexually attracted to share a dorm would tarnish the school reputation. This is independent if they were homosexual or heterosexual or bisexual, it just happened that in this case, at least one of them was heterosexual. Of course, one could extent this argument out to say everyone should have their own rooms, but once again, it comes down to the admit just wanting to appear as if they were cracking down on sex. They full well knew that with a school filled with some of the brightest students around, they couldn't win that battle.
Oh, and also, the whole "risk of forming a homsexual relationship" thing is ridiculous. You don't have to be roommates to be sexual with someone, and if two young people want to hook up (be they straight or gay), they will find a way.

Oh, I know for sure that they will. Half of the brain power spent at that school was finding away to have sexual meet up. And for the most part, as I said, the administration wasn't all that against it (teenagers having sex, no way!), they just had to make sure they appeared to be working to stop such behavior.
 
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If the roommate had a problem with it, then not discrimination. Roommates can have issues for a variety of reasons, and most schools, as far as I know, try to accomodate those issues by moving people around.

Of course it's discrimination. "I don't like Africans, so I don't want to share a room with one." Is that OK?

Anything that legitimately impacts on you is a justifiable reason to not have to be housed with someone, i.e. abuse, noise etc. If it's simply their sexual orientation (or race, gender, age...), the problem is with you, not them.

Then again, I've never been to a boarding school and find the concept of one absurd and disgusting, so maybe I'm missing something.
 
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Well it is, unfortunately, not legal discrimination because sexual orientation is not a protected class.
Even if homosexuality was, is it discrimination?

If they told a female she had to stop rooming with her roommate because they found out he was a guy (which is unlikely, but possible if they have a mix up of genders on a form), is it discrimination?
 
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Of course it's discrimination. "I don't like Africans, so I don't want to share a room with one." Is that OK?

Anything that legitimately impacts on you is a justifiable reason to not have to be housed with someone, i.e. abuse, noise etc. If it's simply their sexual orientation (or race, gender, age...), the problem is with you, not them.

So a female minor who feels uncomfortable sleeping in the same room as a male... They do have a problem with the other persons gender...
 
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Hmm.. this is a very good scenario. I'm not sure which side I should argue against.

As far as I can see, it comes between two opposing ideals: prohibiting sex/sexual advances or prohibiting discrimination.

Discrimination is not a defense that it is necessarily the de facto evil. It leads statements of absolutism. You have to take into consideration the effect it has on the roommates. Now if the case were A, didn't like B, then A is the one causing an issue and A should be the one who leaves. But if A, B, C didn't like D, for whatever reason, and it is causing disharmony, then I might argue that D should leave.

An alternative solution that could have avoided the entire issue is to ask if anyone among the guys (discreetly, perhaps) would have objection or feel discomfort at having a female among their group.
 
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An alternative solution that could have avoided the entire issue is to ask if anyone among the guys (discreetly, perhaps) would have objection or feel discomfort at having a female among their group.


And the school risk the chance parents would complain about her possibly being bisexual? The negative publicity of put a girl on the guys side, even if you could guarantee that nothing sexual would occur, would still drastic. I don't expect the average parent to understand "she is homosexual, she isn't going to be sexually involved with guys". I know my parents would have majorly objected about it.
 
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True, you are fighting society on that one. Negative publicity is a definite possibility. What is the end goal by which to judge? Are we trying to mitigate the detriment to the child and the group or trying to mitigate the detriment to the entire school? It might also be to the detriment to the child to be made a negative focus. I would say the way to mitigate the negative consequences for all involved would be to house the child in a dorm by herself.

Personally, I would love to have a room to myself. In any event, doing so has the least damaging consequences. You can condemn the act alone on the basis of discrimination, if you believe it be de facto evil, but most take a mixed approached when judging a situation, focusing neither too much on the act itself nor the consequences alone.
 
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just like at work, if someone makes an issue or personal statement about their sexual preferences it can create sexual harrassment etc

because the girl decided to make it an issue she should expect reprecussions- i tink i would have a problem with a roommate who made it a point to exhibit or announce his/her homosexual desires

it is not discrimination, if it was punitive then the lesbian brought it upon herself
 
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because the girl decided to make it an issue she should expect reprecussions- i tink i would have a problem with a roommate who made it a point to exhibit or announce his/her homosexual desires

Yes, because straight roommates never ever talk about their sexual desires...
 
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To be honest I don't see this as discrimination. I mean as a gay person myself if the school did force me to change then yes but from reading what I see I don't see this as discrimination.

If it was it would be all over the news like CNN and things like that and I never recal it being on any of those.
 
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If they had forced her to change rooms (which they didn't do, correct?) then it most certainly would have been discrimination. After all, the myth that all gay/bisexual people will have sex with every single same-sex individual they meet is just that, a myth. There are plenty of gay/bisexual people (such as myself) who know how to control themselves (or, in my case, who just aren't lucky in love). I have a female roommate at college, and I've never done anything even remotely sexual with her. So why should the assumption be that all gays/bisexuals would do anything sexual with a same-sex roommate?
 
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