Forces Of Evil At Work - Israel and the Resto of the World

[Poke]

Galatians 3:16 has something to say about the Abrahamic Covenant:

"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ."

Yes, and go to v7 and it says, " Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham." This is simple enough English that any zionist should be able to understand it.

 

[Easystreet]

So one of the problems with Terrorism is some people hate the US because we are not largely Muslim. And you think that Muslims are satan's children.


Why can't everyone just be kind and unjudgemental to everyone else? Why cant we all just get along despite our differences?

Because it is a Spiritual Warfare. All that is not of Christ according to the Scripture is bound for Hell.

There is the World System, contrary to Christ
There is the Flesh Contrary to Christ
There is Satan contrary to Christ.

The World, The Flesh, The Devil

Gordon

 

[gwynedd1]

Because it is a Spiritual Warfare. All that is not of Christ according to the Scripture is bound for Hell.

There is the World System, contrary to Christ
There is the Flesh Contrary to Christ
There is Satan contrary to Christ.

The World, The Flesh, The Devil

Gordon

This is correct. This is the Zionist state of Israel who are in unbelief. Worse still, this is the spirit that has murdered the prophets and saints. The Kabbalistic and Talmud writings speak great evil of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Much of this is hidden today but it was well known by Christians in the past. The Talmud is forbidden to Gentiles so it is typically hidden. This is not unusual as the Bablylonian Talmud's history is oral as its beginning the Mishnah. It was according to Jews an oral tradition passed on from Moses(Not likey because of Ethopian Torah Jews who never heard of such a thing).

http://www.watch.pair.com/HRChrist.html

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[Driver]

So that all will know where I am coming from you can go to your search engine and look up 7 point dispensationalist and you will find somewhere a well written article on this view.

Where is this 7-point scheme found taught in the New Testament? Who started this teaching? Don't they teach more than one way of salvation (see the Dispensationalism forum)? Shouldn't we be wary of it, especially after what Paul said:

2 Thes 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.



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[IisJustMe]

This is correct. This is the Zionist state of Israel who are in unbelief. Worse still, this is the spirit that has murdered the prophets and saints. The Kabbalistic and Talmud writings speak great evil of our Lord Jesus Christ..

All have sinned. Not just unbelievers, but believers as well. God is not a liar. He does not renege on His promises. In the Abrahamic Covenant, Israel and what would become the Church are mentioned separately. How do you rectify that with your erroneous contention that God has reneged on His promises?

 

[applepowerpc]

I fail to see how 7-point dispensationalism is even consistent with itself. Let alone the NT.

 

[IisJustMe]

I fail to see how 7-point dispensationalism is even consistent with itself. Let alone the NT.

You do, after all, own an Apple.

 

[gwynedd1]

All have sinned. Not just unbelievers, but believers as well. God is not a liar. He does not renege on His promises. In the Abrahamic Covenant, Israel and what would become the Church are mentioned separately. How do you rectify that with your erroneous contention that God has reneged on His promises?

All have sinned but blessed are those whom God does not impute sin.
Rom 4
[1] What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
[2] For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
[3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
[4] Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
[5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
[7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
[8] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
[9] Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

How do you rectify what you say? God disapproved of Israel and left it for punishment. It is the statement you make that implies God has lied and reneged? That is very strange. How can what you say stand up to scripture? Once you understand the seed of Abraham is faith then you will understand how God has never reneged or lied but had punished unbelieving Isreal as a wicked generation.

Jeremiah 18
15] Because my people hath forgotten me, they have burned incense to vanity, and they have caused them to stumble in their ways from the ancient paths, to walk in paths, in a way not cast up;
[16] To make their land desolate, and a perpetual hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished, and wag his head.
[17] I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy; I will shew them the back, and not the face, in the day of their calamity.

Isaiah 3

[16] Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
[17] Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.
[18] In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
[19] The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
[20] The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
[21] The rings, and nose jewels,
[22] The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,
[23] The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.
[25] Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war.
[26] And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

Read the entire book Lamentations

Chapter 1

[5] Her adversaries are the chief, her enemies prosper; for the LORD hath afflicted her for the multitude of her transgressions: her children are gone into captivity before the enemy.
[6] And from the daughter of Zion all her beauty is departed: her princes are become like harts that find no pasture, and they are gone without strength before the pursuer.

 

[Easystreet]

Where is this 7-point scheme found taught in the New Testament? Who started this teaching? Don't they teach more than one way of salvation (see the Dispensationalism forum)? Shouldn't we be wary of it, especially after what Paul said:

2 Thes 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.



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I appricate your getting to the point.

I too in return would use the same verses agains other theologies as you have agains 7 point dispensationalism.

I am sure we can both laught a little.

You know as I do that titles, acrinymns, synonymns, etc. are for teaching and conveying truths, concepts, and the like.

The word "dispensational" is such. While Paul used is on one or two occasious this in and of itself is not the proof text for persay for the teaching of 7 point dispensationalism.

I have always likened it to a simple outlind. Indeed that is realy in in a nut shell. The 7 points are in fact an outline of the complete Bible. These 7 major outline points are times when God revealed to mankind more of his plan or as I like to call it "the unfolding drama of redemption".

I.