For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

[Hammster]

Hate is not the opposite of Love. We are to Love even our enemies.

See Deuteronomy 7. Which people are loved? Which people did God tell them to destroy?

 

[Hammster]

Why not be transparent? We all knew what this thread was about from the start (iobserve the first responder who nailed it). But you initially dodged admitting your true purpose only to admit it in Post 26. Calvin paints God as predestinating the bulk of humanity to hell before they are born. Non-Calvinists find that abhorrent.

There’s nothing about predestination in that post. I know that you are so clear with your intent in the vast amount of threads you start. And I think the OP was clear in showing that God does not actually love everyone.

I just referenced Deuteronomy 7 in my previous post. Read it and show me how your apply your pet verse (
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.— 1 Timothy 2:4) to that?

 

[Hammster]

Why go way off topic, when you are the one that posted the OP?

There is no black and white answer to your question and most of those replying to your OP are making an effort to show you God’s Sovereignty, Majesty, Righteousness, grace, love, holiness, etc., in relation to your OP.

My first few responses were met with a one liner from you as if you never read what I wrote, and that goes for the rest of the replies to you OP.

You finally used Psalm 137:9 KJV, to try and say God was not all loving; and when I replied that Psalm 137:9 KJV related to Esau and Esau’s ultimate punishment at Christ’s return for their wrong committed against Jacob, you first said the scripture did not relate to Esau. When I then proved Psalm 137:9 KJV was speaking about Esau, you ignored further scripture proof, and replied with another one liner to say the scriptures I listed, which included Obadiah to explain Psalm 137:9 KJV, was not dealing with the end times.

What’s not being recognized is your OP about God not having an all loving nature has to be addressed showing sound scripture about Gods nature and justice, which must include examples from the Old and New Testament, unless you are asking people to give their own opinion about God. But, no true believer will do that because that would be man giving an assessment about God, and man does not have that right. Gods says because there is no greater (to swear by), He swears by Himself, Hebrews 6:13 KJV. Also Isaiah 45:23 KJV. You see? I hope you do.

Nevertheless, why ask a question in you original OP, and discount what others say, and when you are asked to provide a better understanding relating to one of your responses, you throw a monkey wrench in the mix and say it will go off topic? But the topic is yours, right?

You must admit yourself that you have ignored most of the replies to your OP, challenged with “one liners” without making yourself clear, and now you refuse to give us sound doctrine when asked.

Who does that? You know!

You were stating that the psalm was about end times. It’s not, at least not as the term is used by most Christians today. And I didn’t want to get into an eschatological discussion in this thread. If you want to start a thread on that psalm in eschatology, I’ll participate.

 

[bling]

See Deuteronomy 7. Which people are loved? Which people did God tell them to destroy?

This is a huge subject I have addressed before with others taking many hours and lots of searching.

If you are just looking to make sound bite statements that and ask yes and no questions like: “Have you stopped beating your wife?” Then do not expect much in the way of theological logical answers.

Just looking at Deu. 7: in the first verse we read what the Jews were to do, “drives out before you many nations” and also in the second verse: “when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you”. Previously Exodus 33:2 I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.

Exodus 34:11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusite

God provides a logical reason to drive them out, Numbers 33:55 “‘But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live.

They cannot coexist.

Deu. 7: 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire.

There is no torturous death for the enemy in those instructions.

Due. 7: 19 You saw with your own eyes the great trials, the signs and wonders, the mighty hand and outstretched arm, with which the Lord your God brought you out. The Lord your God will do the same to all the peoples you now fear.

The Jews did not kill any of the Egyptians and He said he was going to do the same with those in the Land, so how many did the Jews actually kill with a sword and how many babies did Jews kill?

What is this saying about the Jews killing: Deu. 7:20 Moreover, the Lord your God will send the hornet among them until even the survivors who hide from you have perished.

Deu. 7: 22 The Lord your God will drive out those nations before you, little by little.

Generally: everything God asks humans to do is for the human’s sake and not His own.

What we are asked to do is not always what actually happens because God gets involved and keeps us from having to do horrible things. Remember what God told Abraham to do “Sacrifice your son.” What happened? Abraham is said to have sacrificed his son, but God provided a substitute.

In this case do we have records of young Jewish men running swords through babies?

When Gideon attacked a 100,000 men with 300 men, they killed each other while his 300 shouted at them.

These are truly wicked nations that must be destroyed, but there are some good people in them, so God tells the Israelites to drive the people out three times more often than God says destroy them. God is not “giving” the land to the Israelites because they are good, but is destroying these nations using the Israelites because these nations are very bad.

The people of the land were well aware of the Israelites and their God; you can see that from what Rehab said to the spies. If you look at God’s commands (Law) for the Jewish people they have suffer punishments to keep the nation up to the standard of God’s people and are impossible to keep. The objective is for all people to recognize they are big time sinners in need of help and forgiveness. If you are not going to be justified before God by keeping the rules, than you must count on a merciful (Loving) God and seek His forgiveness for messing up His commands and accept His forgiveness which is accepting His Love. Christ teaches us; “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”

Again we do not know exactly how it went down. If these Canaanites had any conscience they would have left town (and it is suggested that is what most did). There would have been some innocent left behind so did the crazies in the town that had been a part of child sacrifices kill these innocent themselves; like we see crazy fathers do today when trapped? Israel did not need foreign orphans of crazy people to care for, they had enough of their own problems and leaving them to die of starvation would not be good.

God told Abraham that the people in the Promises Land were not bad enough at that time to be destroyed, but would destroy them when they got really bad. 400 years later. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure." (Gen 15.13f)
These people had become extremely wicked and there were good teaching (Melchizedek) around that they seemed to reject over time. God had been patient enough with these nations(over 400 years) they (nations not all the people) needed to be destroyed and hopefully the good would have moved out ahead of time and some innocent may have been killed and went to heaven.

There is a logical reason for involving the Israelites. They are in this case supposed to be doing the work of God, but they do a very poor job of it. We do not know how much “killing” was actually done by the Israelites and how much God did without their help. If you look at the story of Jericho few might have been left alive for the Israelites to kill. This whole experience is not going to make the Israelites proud and arrogant but humble and needy. They will also have to deal with their mistakes down through history.

This gets into a lengthy discussion on why the Israelite’s failure will hurt and yet help them in the future. If God had removed the people it would have been done perfectly and absolutely, but would that have helped the Israelites in their real objective and with their need for humility?

 

[biblelesson]

You were stating that the psalm was about end times. It’s not, at least not as the term is used by most Christians today. And I didn’t want to get into an eschatological discussion in this thread. If you want to start a thread on that psalm in eschatology, I’ll participate.

Psalm 137:9 KJV is a prophetic Psalm of retribution - Israel had been taken into captivity, and while in their enemie’s land they sang a song to pay Edom/Esau back for their suffering, to include encouraging the Babylonians who killed of their children. Israel also wanted God to pay the Babylonians back - to kill their children also.

Although Israel sang this song, Psalm 137:9 KJV, the words in the Psalm is a biblical prophesy to where God did/will judge Israel’s enemies.

Obadiah gives an account of the role Esau/Edom played when Israel was taken captive and how God is displeased with what they did to Israel and His holy mountain (Jerusalem) after Israel was taken into captivity, and how God WILL pay them back, with the final payback at Jesus return.

So, Psalm 137:9 KJV is a scripture you listed, where you posed a question about whether God was All Loving, but without consideration to what the Psalm is about,(or you wanted the substance to be ignored), you seem to want people to simply agree that “God must not be all loving” through the use of a scripture about children being killed.

You said you didn’t want to get into eschatology study, yet you list a prophetic Psalm. However you’re expecting for a quick white washing of the scripture, without consideration to its meaning - a form of boxing people into your way of thinking; to be us to judge God against. I’m not into eschatology. I’m into being taught by the Holy Spirit Who is much more proficient.

Nonetheless, we can’t use scripture to our satisfaction to play judge and jury against God, and you can’t insist people stand with you while you have decided to remove God off the throne, where you have now taken His seat “in your mind” and hold a whip to punish God “based on words only” and not substance and meaning, with a refusal to consider your fallibility compared to His Infallibly, His Majesty, Holiness, that He’s All Mighty, He’s Creator, All Loving, and does what He Wills.

Not you!

 

[Hammster]

This is a huge subject I have addressed before with others taking many hours and lots of searching.

If you are just looking to make sound bite statements that and ask yes and no questions like: “Have you stopped beating your wife?” Then do not expect much in the way of theological logical answers.

Just looking at Deu. 7: in the first verse we read what the Jews were to do, “drives out before you many nations” and also in the second verse: “when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you”. Previously Exodus 33:2 I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.

Exodus 34:11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusite

God provides a logical reason to drive them out, Numbers 33:55 “‘But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live.

They cannot coexist.

Deu. 7: 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire.

There is no torturous death for the enemy in those instructions.

Due. 7: 19 You saw with your own eyes the great trials, the signs and wonders, the mighty hand and outstretched arm, with which the Lord your God brought you out. The Lord your God will do the same to all the peoples you now fear.

The Jews did not kill any of the Egyptians and He said he was going to do the same with those in the Land, so how many did the Jews actually kill with a sword and how many babies did Jews kill?

What is this saying about the Jews killing: Deu. 7:20 Moreover, the Lord your God will send the hornet among them until even the survivors who hide from you have perished.

Deu. 7: 22 The Lord your God will drive out those nations before you, little by little.

Generally: everything God asks humans to do is for the human’s sake and not His own.

What we are asked to do is not always what actually happens because God gets involved and keeps us from having to do horrible things. Remember what God told Abraham to do “Sacrifice your son.” What happened? Abraham is said to have sacrificed his son, but God provided a substitute.

In this case do we have records of young Jewish men running swords through babies?

When Gideon attacked a 100,000 men with 300 men, they killed each other while his 300 shouted at them.

These are truly wicked nations that must be destroyed, but there are some good people in them, so God tells the Israelites to drive the people out three times more often than God says destroy them. God is not “giving” the land to the Israelites because they are good, but is destroying these nations using the Israelites because these nations are very bad.

The people of the land were well aware of the Israelites and their God; you can see that from what Rehab said to the spies. If you look at God’s commands (Law) for the Jewish people they have suffer punishments to keep the nation up to the standard of God’s people and are impossible to keep. The objective is for all people to recognize they are big time sinners in need of help and forgiveness. If you are not going to be justified before God by keeping the rules, than you must count on a merciful (Loving) God and seek His forgiveness for messing up His commands and accept His forgiveness which is accepting His Love. Christ teaches us; “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”

Again we do not know exactly how it went down. If these Canaanites had any conscience they would have left town (and it is suggested that is what most did). There would have been some innocent left behind so did the crazies in the town that had been a part of child sacrifices kill these innocent themselves; like we see crazy fathers do today when trapped? Israel did not need foreign orphans of crazy people to care for, they had enough of their own problems and leaving them to die of starvation would not be good.

God told Abraham that the people in the Promises Land were not bad enough at that time to be destroyed, but would destroy them when they got really bad. 400 years later. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure." (Gen 15.13f)
These people had become extremely wicked and there were good teaching (Melchizedek) around that they seemed to reject over time. God had been patient enough with these nations(over 400 years) they (nations not all the people) needed to be destroyed and hopefully the good would have moved out ahead of time and some innocent may have been killed and went to heaven.

There is a logical reason for involving the Israelites. They are in this case supposed to be doing the work of God, but they do a very poor job of it. We do not know how much “killing” was actually done by the Israelites and how much God did without their help. If you look at the story of Jericho few might have been left alive for the Israelites to kill. This whole experience is not going to make the Israelites proud and arrogant but humble and needy. They will also have to deal with their mistakes down through history.

This gets into a lengthy discussion on why the Israelite’s failure will hurt and yet help them in the future. If God had removed the people it would have been done perfectly and absolutely, but would that have helped the Israelites in their real objective and with their need for humility?

All I can say is that you put quite a spin on it. It’s like this verse doesn’t exist.

and when the Lord your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them.
— Deuteronomy 7:2

And here it is being put into action.

They struck every person who was in it with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them; there was no one left who breathed. And he burned Hazor with fire.
— Joshua 11:11

You can’t just try to explain away the wrath of God on the evil nations.

 

[Hammster]

You said you didn’t want to get into eschatology study, yet you list a prophetic Psalm. However you’re expecting for a quick white washing of the scripture, without consideration to its meaning - a form of boxing people into your way of thinking; to be us to judge God against. I’m not into eschatology. I’m into being taught by the Holy Spirit Who is much more proficient.

It was prophetic to the audience. That doesn’t make it prophetic to us.

Nonetheless, we can’t use scripture to our satisfaction to play judge and jury against God, and you can’t insist people stand with you while you have decided to remove God off the throne, where you have now taken His seat “in your mind” and hold a whip to punish God “based on words only” and not substance and meaning, with a refusal to consider your fallibility compared to His Infallibly, His Majesty, Holiness, that He’s All Mighty, He’s Creator, All Loving, and does what He Wills.

I’ve not removed God from the throne. He’s firmly there. I’m not sure why you would say otherwise.

 

[biblelesson]

It was prophetic to the audience. That doesn’t make it prophetic to us.

I’ve not removed God from the throne. He’s firmly there. I’m not sure why you would say otherwise.

Prophecy in God’s word is also for us today! Revelation was prophesied in Isaiah, Micah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and some of the other prophets of the Bible. Do you think Revelation applied to them, or us today?

Also, you have “in your mind” removed God from His thrown with your questioning his All Loving nature. However, you are not the only one who has done this. We all have done this being human, and not understanding - especially when we experience very difficult times that feels unfair. But, that’s human nature and God understands, because He’s a loving God, which drives us to ask for forgiveness!

In explaining His All loving nature, as many have tried to get you to see, especially, we must understand that God is a merciful God. As already mentioned, when the Israelites went in to destroy those nations God commanded them to destroy, which sometimes included the women and children, God’s decision was a righteous decision. These nations worshipped other gods, and would have turned the Israelites away from God with their false worship. As God was leading Israel to their inheritance in the promise land, and to be holy unto him, where the law had been established, He had to destroy the wickedness surrounding Israel. God gave strict commands about these nations, Leviticus 18:21 KJV, Deuteronomy 12:31 KJV, but ultimately Israel disobeyed and starting sacrificing their Children to Molech, Ezekiel 23:37 KJV, 1 Kings 11:7-11 KJV, 2 Kings 23:8-10 KJV, and committed other sins influenced by these nations.

God’s decision to destroy these nations was based on their wickedness and influence, and also to destroy the children was based on His foreknowledge of what these children would do once they grew up.

God’s Holiness demands holiness from His children. None of us would have survived God’s wrath. Without Christ we would have all been destroyed, because again God’s Holiness demands that wickedness be destroyed from His face. We have no excuses in the face of God’s righteousness. One sin committed is all sin committed. That’s it, no questions ask, we are just destroyed. That’s the magnitude of God’s Holiness.

And because God is All Loving, He made a way for sinful man to be forgiven against His own wrath. Through blood sacrifice, which is the only way. First through the blood of animals, which represented Christ, then He sacrificed His Son for us who shed His blood on the cross.

It’s God’s work to save us from the requirement of His holy law, which is punishment for sin. Because He loves us, He decided to save us through Christ Jesus, so that through His Son, His Righteousness is imputed upon us, to make us righteous, something that we can never be! Because He saved sinners!

 

[bling]

All I can say is that you put quite a spin on it. It’s like this verse doesn’t exist.

and when the Lord your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them.
— Deuteronomy 7:2

And here it is being put into action.

They struck every person who was in it with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them; there was no one left who breathed. And he burned Hazor with fire.
— Joshua 11:11

You can’t just try to explain away the wrath of God on the evil nations.

These people, like all people died at that time, no one from that time is still living on earth.
God causes or allows all people to die prior to Christ's second coming, so how can you take the death of anyone to mean: "God does not Love them"?
I am not saying: "God is not wrathful", Just as I can get very upset with my children I Love, but I cannot kill them (stop providing life to them).
Death is not bad.
If God telling a person 3000 years ago to kill someone, for God no long want them alive on earth and can remove them many ways but is just using that person to obediently share in God's cleanup.

 

[John Mullally]

There’s nothing about predestination in that post. I know that you are so clear with your intent in the vast amount of threads you start. And I think the OP was clear in showing that God does not actually love everyone.

I just referenced Deuteronomy 7 in my previous post. Read it and show me how your apply your pet verse (
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.— 1 Timothy 2:4) to that?

As to your saying that I started a vast amount of threads: I started maybe 3 or 4 threads on this forum when I first joined in 2020, but to my recollection maybe 1 in the last 2 years. My approach is to provide answers and not waste time. but strive to be clear and direct to get to my point immediately from scripture. Other than the occasional misspeak, I am fully convinced on what I state and find no need to beat around the bush or set traps using loaded questions in my argumentation - remember that the Jewish leaders who opposed Jesus resorted to that strategy - again I prefer transparency.

You say that there is nothing about predestination in you post, but you neglect to admit that you believe that God predestines some to heaven and the rest to hell based upon what yous wrote in other threads. The fact that some (even nations) are severely judged does not mean that God did not care for them or did not try to convince them to change their ways in order to avoid judgement (as seen with Jonah and Nineveh).

In Deuteronomy 7, God commands Israel to drive out the people in Canaan. Prior to that, Genesis 15:6 says that the sin of the Canaanites had not become full. It is reasoned that the Canaanite destruction is justified because the sin of the Canaanites became full. There is nothing in the Bible that states that God had no concern for the Canaanites or that God did not give them opportunity to repent (as God did with the Canaanite king in Genesis 20:3).

 

[Minister Monardo]

Matthew 5:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?
48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Curiously enough, the fact remains that God does not love each and every person on earth equally. If He did, then everyone on earth would suffer from the chronic pain I live with each and every moment.

 

[biblelesson]

Curiously enough, the fact remains that God does not love each and every person on earth equally. If He did, then everyone on earth would suffer from the chronic pain I live with each and every moment.

Hebrews 12:8-13 KJV,
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

Isaiah 53:4 KJV
Psalm 94:12 KJV

Gods chastises his children, and sometimes it is severe. But He does it to get our attention, to transform us to His Holiness in Christ Jesus.

Start offering prayers of healing to others who ask for prayer on this forum

Listen only to God, and pray befor reading your Bible daily. Start with Romans and really digest the words, and pray for understanding. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation, Romans 1:16 KJV. You will receive power, and be quickened, and that includes being healed.

Don’t listen to anyone, let the Holy Spirit teach you through the gospel.

When you pray, say, “thank you God Almighty for your healing power today. Just make your prayers full of praise and thankfulness for your healing, and watch the Holy Spirit take over and start to heal you. Be patient, read your Bible, pray for others, and say special prayers of thankfulness.

I pray for your healing and may Gods bless you!

 

[John Mullally]

Curiously enough, the fact remains that God does not love each and every person on earth equally. If He did, then everyone on earth would suffer from the chronic pain I live with each and every moment

Sorry to hear about your chronic pain and I pray for your relief. Investigate the scriptures on healing.

Example from Cain: In Genesis chapter 4, God asked Cain why he was angry, warning and encouraging him of potential dangers that he must get under control so that things will go well with him. Genesis 4:6-8: “Then the Lord said to Cain, ‘Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.’ And yet it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.”

The fact that God is acting persuasively shows the independence of Cain. He was his own person, though unfortunately acting contrary to the way in which God felt that he should. The fact that God reasoned with Cain, in that he must “master” the sin that was crouching at this door, shows that God believed that Cain could exercise his autonomous, self determination in a positive manner. He should be able to control the murderous motives that he felt inside. The fact that God warned Cain what would happen if he failed to control himself shows that God believed that Cain possessed the power of contrary choice, that is, Cain did not have to murder Able, even though that is exactly what he eventually did.

 

[Hammster]

Prophecy in God’s word is also for us today! Revelation was prophesied in Isaiah, Micah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and some of the other prophets of the Bible. Do you think Revelation applied to them, or us today?

Also, you have “in your mind” removed God from His thrown with your questioning his All Loving nature. However, you are not the only one who has done this. We all have done this being human, and not understanding - especially when we experience very difficult times that feels unfair. But, that’s human nature and God understands, because He’s a loving God, which drives us to ask for forgiveness!

In explaining His All loving nature, as many have tried to get you to see, especially, we must understand that God is a merciful God. As already mentioned, when the Israelites went in to destroy those nations God commanded them to destroy, which sometimes included the women and children, God’s decision was a righteous decision. These nations worshipped other gods, and would have turned the Israelites away from God with their false worship. As God was leading Israel to their inheritance in the promise land, and to be holy unto him, where the law had been established, He had to destroy the wickedness surrounding Israel. God gave strict commands about these nations, Leviticus 18:21 KJV, Deuteronomy 12:31 KJV, but ultimately Israel disobeyed and starting sacrificing their Children to Molech, Ezekiel 23:37 KJV, 1 Kings 11:7-11 KJV, 2 Kings 23:8-10 KJV, and committed other sins influenced by these nations.

God’s decision to destroy these nations was based on their wickedness and influence, and also to destroy the children was based on His foreknowledge of what these children would do once they grew up.

God’s Holiness demands holiness from His children. None of us would have survived God’s wrath. Without Christ we would have all been destroyed, because again God’s Holiness demands that wickedness be destroyed from His face. We have no excuses in the face of God’s righteousness. One sin committed is all sin committed. That’s it, no questions ask, we are just destroyed. That’s the magnitude of God’s Holiness.

And because God is All Loving, He made a way for sinful man to be forgiven against His own wrath. Through blood sacrifice, which is the only way. First through the blood of animals, which represented Christ, then He sacrificed His Son for us who shed His blood on the cross.

It’s God’s work to save us from the requirement of His holy law, which is punishment for sin. Because He loves us, He decided to save us through Christ Jesus, so that through His Son, His Righteousness is imputed upon us, to make us righteous, something that we can never be! Because He saved sinners!

What way did God make for the Hittites? You said “God’s decision to destroy these nations was based on their wickedness and influence, and also to destroy the children was based on His foreknowledge of what these children would do once they grew up.” How do you know that was why God destroyed the children? Could it not have been because God has the right to kill anyone at anytime because of their sin?

 

[Hammster]

These people, like all people died at that time, no one from that time is still living on earth.
God causes or allows all people to die prior to Christ's second coming, so how can you take the death of anyone to mean: "God does not Love them"?
I am not saying: "God is not wrathful", Just as I can get very upset with my children I Love, but I cannot kill them (stop providing life to them).
Death is not bad.
If God telling a person 3000 years ago to kill someone, for God no long want them alive on earth and can remove them many ways but is just using that person to obediently share in God's cleanup.

For some reason you have turned death into a good thing. It’s actually part of the curse. It’s not natural to creation. It’s actually called an enemy of God. I’m not actually sure how to respond to such an argument.

 

[Hammster]

As to your saying that I started a vast amount of threads: I started maybe 3 or 4 threads on this forum when I first joined in 2020, but to my recollection maybe 1 in the last 2 years. My approach is to provide answers and not waste time. but strive to be clear and direct to get to my point immediately from scripture. Other than the occasional misspeak, I am fully convinced on what I state and find no need to beat around the bush or set traps using loaded questions in my argumentation - remember that the Jewish leaders who opposed Jesus resorted to that strategy - again I prefer transparency.

Let me paraphrase Dwight Moody then.

It is clear you don’t like my way of doing threads. You raise some good points. Frankly, I sometimes do not like my way of doing threads. But I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it.

You say that there is nothing about predestination in you post, but you neglect to admit that you believe that God predestines some to heaven and the rest to hell based upon what yous wrote in other threads. The fact that some (even nations) are severely judged does not mean that God did not care for them or did not try to convince them to change their ways in order to avoid judgement (as seen with Jonah and Nineveh).

Except that you can’t prove that. Where’s the record of the prophets going to the Hittites? God chose to save that particular group of Ninevites for the same reason He chose to save you. It was for His good pleasure. He could have just as righteously and justly wiped us all out.

In Deuteronomy 7, God commands Israel to drive out the people in Canaan. Prior to that, Genesis 15:6 says that the sin of the Canaanites had not become full. It is reasoned that the Canaanite destruction is justified because the sin of the Canaanites became full. There is nothing in the Bible that states that God had no concern for the Canaanites or that God did not give them opportunity to repent (as God did with the Canaanite king in Genesis 20:3).

What it a benevolent act to kill the Canaanites then?

 

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Hebrews 12:8-13 KJV,
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

Isaiah 53:4 KJV
Psalm 94:12 KJV

Gods chastises his children, and sometimes it is severe. But He does it to get our attention, to transform us to His Holiness in Christ Jesus.

Start offering prayers of healing to others who ask for prayer on this forum

Listen only to God, and pray befor reading your Bible daily. Start with Romans and really digest the words, and pray for understanding. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation, Romans 1:16 KJV. You will receive power, and be quickened, and that includes being healed.

Don’t listen to anyone, let the Holy Spirit teach you through the gospel.

When you pray, say, “thank you God Almighty for your healing power today. Just make your prayers full of praise and thankfulness for your healing, and watch the Holy Spirit take over and start to heal you. Be patient, read your Bible, pray for others, and say special prayers of thankfulness.

I pray for your healing and may Gods bless you!

Thank you for your prayers and kind advice. The simple fact is that, like many other chronic diseases, my illness has no cure nor am I aware of anyone who has been healed of it, either through medical treatment or prayer. To paraphrase Paul, I take it to be my thorn in the flesh.

 

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Hebrews 12:8-13 KJV,
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

Isaiah 53:4 KJV
Psalm 94:12 KJV

Gods chastises his children, and sometimes it is severe. But He does it to get our attention, to transform us to His Holiness in Christ Jesus.

Start offering prayers of healing to others who ask for prayer on this forum

Listen only to God, and pray befor reading your Bible daily. Start with Romans and really digest the words, and pray for understanding. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation, Romans 1:16 KJV. You will receive power, and be quickened, and that includes being healed.

Don’t listen to anyone, let the Holy Spirit teach you through the gospel.

When you pray, say, “thank you God Almighty for your healing power today. Just make your prayers full of praise and thankfulness for your healing, and watch the Holy Spirit take over and start to heal you. Be patient, read your Bible, pray for others, and say special prayers of thankfulness.

I pray for your healing and may Gods bless you!

Thank you for your prayers and kind advice. You do make a very good observation from Hebrews. God's benevolence in the form of discipline is only for His children and not for those who are not His children. Therefore, it is evident that God is not omnibenevolent.

 

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For some reason you have turned death into a good thing. It’s actually part of the curse. It’s not natural to creation. It’s actually called an enemy of God. I’m not actually sure how to respond to such an argument.

Everything God does or allows to happen is "good" in that it helps willing humans to fulfill their earthly objective.
If there was no physical death here on earth, how would that "help" some humans to humble themselves to the point of accepting pure undeserved charity (forgiveness)? Adam and Eve lived without death, but did it help them to not sin?