For the sake of argument, let's say God exists

[Cabal]

Let me tell you it is mostly the Christian organizations that feed these hungry children of Africa.

Citation needed.

I would suggest to you that it is NOT the Christians who serve the ONE TRUE GOD in Africa are not the ones starving to death. God takes care of HIS people.

Ditto.

I think you might want to sit down before you research that one though.

 

[AV1611VET]

Plus, I have rejected what you call the real true God. And my life is awesome, I'm not going to lie. I got a scholarship to go to a top medical school in the US, in a couple years I will be a doctor, and I have a hot girlfriend. Doesn't seem to correlate well with your "reject God" and "no longer get blessed" theory.

You sound just like the atheist Jesus spoke about:

Luke 12:15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.


In addition, I have a question for you:

Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Let me tell you it is mostly the Christian organizations that feed these hungry children of Africa. It is certainly NOT the moon god Allah nor is it their VooDod priests or their medicine men. It is also not their own dictator governments. They are the ones who are CAUSING their people to die of starvation... NOT GOD.

I would suggest to you that it is NOT the Christians who serve the ONE TRUE GOD in Africa are not the ones starving to death. God takes care of HIS people.

Stop blaming God for things He didn't do or putting all the responsibility on Him for this world's problems. The world has their own god it is the prince of darkness. He is a dictator and a murderer.

It's good to know that God checks to see if you accept him before he lets you starve or not. How nice of him! Here I thought he loved all of his children, even the ones who were unfortunate enough to be born in circumstances they couldn't control that led them to suffer in such a way.

Like...your post has so much wrong with it. This is the reason religion is dangerous. Here you are BLAMING children for their own starvation in third-world countries! Because after all, if they converted, God would feed them...

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

You sound just like the atheist Jesus spoke about:

Luke 12:15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.


In addition, I have a question for you:

Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

I don't believe in the soul. And I don't believe in the Bible either, so quoting verses at me won't scare me into submission.

 

[AV1611VET]

Huh?

Sorry, you've lost me.

I forgot you're not from around here.

IN GOD WE TRUST, adopted in 1956, means we trust in God -- just like the Pilgrims did.

In other words, you can retcon that phrase to apply to them as well.

It doesn't just apply to those who legislated to have that phrase minted on our coins.

The phrase itself has been around since 1864.

 

[MoonLancer]

Right --

Let me guess, and "we" just refers to "them" -- right?

"in god we trust" was a dangerous grab at theocracy ignoring the democracy of America.

 

[Ar Cosc]

i don't mean to sound sarcastic, but in all that time did you ever examine what is known as the "lord's prayer" as a model for what it is to pray, how to pray, etc?
there is a common misconception that prayer is merely asking and thanking, when it is shown biblically to be a tool to change the believer to having his mind tuned to god's thinking rather than man trying to get god to see it his way and do things the way he wants them done.

I used to ask God for advice all the time, not just to solve my own problems, but how to live my life the way he wanted me to. I always thought that if there was a God, he'd be more appreciative of genuine effort, than just following a precise ritual. As Cabal has said, God doesn't seem to want to make it easy to believe.

Need I remind you of the Yesnowait triad?

You'll have to explain this to me. How does God provide his yes, no, wait answer?

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I find your view on the starving of the world deeply disturbing. If God did exist, and he'd let someone starve slowly to death, to subsequently burn in hell for all eternity, when he had the means to prevent it all from happening at his ready disposal, I would sooner spit in his face than worship him.

 

[AV1611VET]

"in god we trust" was a dangerous grab at theocracy ignoring the democracy of America.

Riiiight --

 

[AV1611VET]

If God did exist, and he'd let someone starve slowly to death, to subsequently burn in hell for all eternity, when he had the means to prevent it all from happening at his ready disposal, I would sooner spit in his face than worship him.

Your predecessors did.

Matthew 26:67a Mt 26:67 Then did they spit in his face,

There's nothing new under the sun.

 

[Inan3]

Yeah, because this is more important for their survival than food. Is this what you'd say to a starving child in Africa? "Have hope"?

"According to the Internet source Wikipedia, the famous African proverb: ‘It takes a village to raise a child!’ originated from the Nigerian Igbo culture and proverb ‘Oran a azu nwa’, which means it takes a community or village to raise a child. The Igbo’s also name their children ‘Nwa ora’ which means child of the community.

The same sentiment is echoed in proverbs of various other African cultures, such as the Swahili proverb “One hand does not nurse a child”, the Sudanese proverb “A child is a child of everyone” and the Tanzanian proverb “One knee does not bring up a child”.
It Takes A Village To Raise A Child | NGO Pulse

"It takes a village to raise a child." This has been a proverb that has inspired many a story and lesson. Hillary Rodham Clinton even wrote a book using it. Most of those stories suggest that with the efforts of the community and society around us we can raise children with hope and inspiration, etc.

I would like to take the counterpart to that proverb. It seems ironic that a continent with 200 million starving people would be the origin of such a proverb and yet, it is so. I say, if this be true what were their villages doing to raise their children? What are they still doing?

"Children are starving in Africa."

American parents have uttered the same phrase for decades to persuade their kids to finish dinners rather than waste precious food. Yet the simple statement has remained depressingly valid year after year.

Africa perpetually seems to offer examples of how benighted a continent can be. This year, a civil war in Sudan triggers homelessness, starvation, and despair; a despot in Zimbabwe sacrifices the poor on the altar of his political ambitions; a drought and a locust invasion threatens the children of Niger.

What's holding Africa back? Many things, say the authors:
Africa's 200 Million Empty Plates

The article goes on to offer reasons for Africa's continued problems. I didn't see any mention of their idolatries and witchcrafts. I didn't see any mention of their false gods and spiritual traditions or their decriminalization of vodou.

Nothing about their African tradition religions African traditional religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is not understood is the spiritual condition of a nation controls the natural condition of that nation. If that nation and it's people or "village" turn from the true God to the false gods their natural conditions will suffer. It ISN'T God that causes it, they have just trusted in the wrong god.


Isa 45:20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Jer 2:27 Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.
Jer 2:28 But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble:
Jer 2:29 Wherefore will ye plead with me? ye all have transgressed against me, saith the LORD.


Stop blaming God for starving children. It's not His fault ... it is the fault of the "village." Their children are ‘Nwa ora’ which means child of the community.

 

[Inan3]

It's good to know that God checks to see if you accept him before he lets you starve or not. How nice of him! Here I thought he loved all of his children, even the ones who were unfortunate enough to be born in circumstances they couldn't control that led them to suffer in such a way.

Like...your post has so much wrong with it. This is the reason religion is dangerous. Here you are BLAMING children for their own starvation in third-world countries! Because after all, if they converted, God would feed them...

Not "children" but the "village." They are 'Nwa ora’ which means child of the community.


I've already answered this complaint in other posts.

 

[Ar Cosc]

What you have said is blatantly untrue. Africa isn't suffering because of their faith, or lack thereof. Estonia is 80% atheist, and yet they're still far better off than Uganda, which is predominantly Christian. Southern Sudan and East Timor are explicitly Christian states. Why are they so much worse off than, say, the Netherlands, with its gay marriage, liberal attitude towards sex and drugs, and predominantly non-christian population?

 

[Inan3]

I find your view on the starving of the world deeply disturbing. If God did exist, and he'd let someone starve slowly to death, to subsequently burn in hell for all eternity, when he had the means to prevent it all from happening at his ready disposal, I would sooner spit in his face than worship him.

Your ignorance of Who you speak so glibbly about is reprehensible. You have no idea of what you are talking about. God doesn't let someone starve to death and then go to hell. He can't stop it. He has put the responsibility in man's hand. And though you seem to have no respect for honor or integrity God does and He will not violate man's will. Nor will He take back what He has given to man to do. The greatest deception is that people think God is in charge of everything. God is not making those people starve to death or go to hell satan is, they are serving him not God. Why don't you spit in satan's face instead?

 

[Cabal]

Your ignorance of Who you speak so glibbly about is reprehensible. You have no idea of what you are talking about. God doesn't let someone starve to death and then go to hell.

Lol, of course, unless you don't believe in him, then he lets you burn.

If God could get over his ego for a second, there is nothing stopping him from helping people.

But then, children suffering for the sins of the father has always been his (unfair) routine.

 

[Ar Cosc]

Your ignorance of Who you speak so glibbly about is reprehensible. You have no idea of what you are talking about. God doesn't let someone starve to death and then go to hell. He can't stop it. He has put the responsibility in man's hand. And though you seem to have no respect for honor or integrity God does and He will not violate man's will. Nor will He take back what He has given to man to do. The greatest deception is that people think God is in charge of everything. God is not making those people starve to death or go to hell satan is, they are serving him not God. Why don't you spit in satan's face instead?

Who created Satan? Who let him loose on the world? Who could isolate him from humanity with a snap of his fingers? Who could feed every child in the world in ten seconds? Like it or not, if God exists, it all comes back to him.

 

[Cabal]

What you have said is blatantly untrue. Africa isn't suffering because of their faith, or lack thereof. Estonia is 80% atheist, and yet they're still far better off than Uganda, which is predominantly Christian. Southern Sudan and East Timor are explicitly Christian states. Why are they so much worse off than, say, the Netherlands, with its gay marriage, liberal attitude towards sex and drugs, and predominantly non-christian population?

Hey now, don't be bringing your facts in here....

 

[Inan3]

Who created Satan? Who let him loose on the world? Who could isolate him from humanity with a snap of his fingers? Who could feed every child in the world in ten seconds? Like it or not, if God exists, it all comes back to him.

It may all come back to Him but He is not to blame. Are parents to blame for their children's crimes or failures? You nor I know everything that works behind the scenes and what God is doing or not doing.

What I do know is that one day satan will be isolated from humanity. Why it is not now I do not know. I trust that God is the righteous judge and it will be right when it does happen. satan may be loose in the world but God never sent him to afflict men. As a matter of fact God has continually warned men to steer clear of him and anything to do with him. God has promised protection from him if they ask Him for it. It is not God's fault that they do not listen to Him.

Are you talking about feeding them miraculously by dropping food down from heaven? What do you know of the ramifications of that? Anything? I certainly don't. Like it or not you may have some lofty ideas about what God could do but you have no idea the scope of anything you are speaking of here.

 

[Cabal]

What you have said is blatantly ignorant. Africa is suffering because the lack God which leads to a lack of everything else.

Your statistics need some corrections. Uganda is not predominantly Christian it is predominently Roman Catholic. As I have said before and will say again. Catholicism is NOT REAL Christianity. Yes there are some Catholics who have committed their lives to the Lord but for the most part Catholics are just religious church goers without the foggiest clue as to the promises of God or His Kingdom. Many of them are also entrenched in idol worship. They pray to saints and to Mary who can do NOTHING for them. They where their little idols on their necks or put them in their cars and they wonder why they do not get their prayers answered. They are no different than any of the other non believing religions in the world. There is one God and only ONE.


Roman Catholic 41.9%, Protestant 42% (Anglican 35.9%, Pentecostal 4.6%, Seventh Day Adventist 1.5%), Muslim 12.1%, other 3.1%, none 0.9% NationMaster - Ugandan Religion statistics
So let's see from these stats at the most there might be 10% REAL Christians and then if you consider that probably only 3 or 4% of them really understand how to pray for their country that leaves you with about .003 of the population of Uganda. You will find that to be true for most statistics. To be more correct and clear they should say Roman Catholics rather than Christians in my opinion.

Also, the different conditions will be affected by the amount of witchcraft, voodoo, curses, spells, or lack thereof. The atheist communities or areas may not get into much of that so therefore they would not be affected in the same degree.

No True Scotsman fallacy aside, actually Uganda is predominantly not Catholic, as your own stats show - 42% protestant.

Do you even read your copy-pastes before you put them in?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

What you have said is blatantly ignorant. Africa is suffering because the lack God which leads to a lack of everything else.

Like Ar Cosc said, why isn't Europe suffering the same destitution? Estonia, Czech Republic, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, France, Netherlands, Latvia, Slovenia, Iceland, and the UK all have <40% of their population believe in a God. So why are these places consistently on the "best places to live" lists? Apparently fountains of blessing don't necessarily follow high rates of belief in God and pain and suffering don't follow large rates of disbelief...

 

[Seamus Riley]

busy night at work, only have a moment to say happy bunny day/rez day to whomever each applies. figured i'd post this here as its a hot thread and will hit everyone. more later. oh yeh, curse these flash ads that crash the page while im scrolling down