For the sake of argument, let's say God exists

[Lion Hearted Man]

What is it evidence of, then?

Nothing, really. The term "AD" devised around 500 AD by a Christian and picked up steam as it was endorsed by Charlemagne. Catholic countries didn't use it for a while...we're talking 11th century. And this is just the term "AD". "BC" wasn't a term until 1627.

This says absolutely nothing about the claims of Christianity.

 

[Inan3]

You do realize that Hindus believe the opposite, right? Like, literally put "Christian God" wherever you put Vishnu in that rant and you have exactly the same argument from the other side.

You have no more evidence that your God is real than Hindus have of Vishnu or Muslims have of Allah.

You are an atheist with respect to Vishnu and all the other Gods beside the Christian one. Us atheists just go one God farther. So really, you know what it is like to be an atheist.

I know what it like to be a Christian... to be born of God and to know my Heavenly Father. I know what it is like to be led of the Spirit of God. I, also, know what it is like to be a non-Christian ... unsaved, lost and without God and that is what it is like to be an atheist or a Hindu or a Muslim etc. One God for ALL of humanity. One Creator. One means One and that is it.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

I know what it like to be a Christian... to be born of God and to know my Heavenly Father. I know what it is like to be led of the Spirit of God. I, also, know what it is like to be a non-Christian ... unsaved, lost and without God and that is what it is like to be an atheist or a Hindu or a Muslim etc. One God for ALL of humanity. One Creator. One means One and that is it.

What if someone said...

I know what it is like to be a Hindu...to be born of Vishnu and to know him. I know what it is like to be led of the Spirit of Vishnu. I, also, know what it is like to be a non-Hindu...unsaved, lost, and without Vishnu and that is what it like to be an atheist or a Christian or a Muslim etc. Vishnu for ALL humanity. Vishnu is it.

What would you think?

 

[Ar Cosc]

Well, it's obvious that you have not compared the two. They are nothing alike. Their gods are not real. There is one God.

You refuse to even entertain the possibility that you might be wrong. There are Muslims and Hindus out there who are just as convinced as you are that their Gods are real. They have just as much evidence as you as well, as in just their own holy texts. Your own personal conviction, as strong as it may be, is still not evidence of anything.

 

[Inan3]

What if someone said...

I know what it is like to be a Hindu...to be born of Vishnu and to know him. I know what it is like to be led of the Spirit of Vishnu. I, also, know what it is like to be a non-Hindu...unsaved, lost, and without Vishnu and that is what it like to be an atheist or a Christian or a Muslim etc. Vishnu for ALL humanity. Vishnu is it.

What would you think?

I'd think it was a foolish statement coined by an atheist who doesn't know what either Christians or Hindus believe.

BUT if it were a real statement and I didn't know God I would begin to ask questions about what they meant by each of those things. Not so I could disprove them but so that I could understand. But I do know God and I do know Hindus don't have any of that in their religion and neither does any other religion ONLY Christianity with the ONE TRUE GOD.

 

[Cabal]

I'd think it was a foolish statement coined by an atheist who doesn't know what either Christians or Hindus believe.

I find this quite amusing to accuse someone else of the above given that you just claimed (incorrectly, I might add) that all non-Christians feel the exact same way you did without God.

 

[Inan3]

You refuse to even entertain the possibility that you might be wrong. There are Muslims and Hindus out there who are just as convinced as you are that their Gods are real. They have just as much evidence as you as well, as in just their own holy texts. Your own personal conviction, as strong as it may be, is still not evidence of anything.

No they don't. That is your assumption but that is not reality. Why should I entertain the possiblity that I might be wrong. I am not. Do you entertain the possibility that you might be wrong?

 

[Inan3]

I find this quite amusing to accuse someone else of the above given that you just claimed (incorrectly, I might add) that all non-Christians feel the exact same way you did without God.

I know this, that it is so ironic how you guys seem to ALWAYS get what we Christians say so twisted up and opposite of what we actually do say. It's just like two opposite polarities or like night and day or light and darkness. You actually CANNOT understand what we say because you almost NEVER get it right. I used to think you did it on purpose but now I am beginning to wonder.

 

[Inan3]

The fact that you think this is evidence of Jesus or Christianity is hilarious.

Well it is certainly not evidence of Abraham Lincoln.

 

[Ar Cosc]

Maybe you aught to go back and read what he said again, before you make such a hasty remark.

Here, let me refresh your memory:

If you still agree with him, then show me B.V. or B.A.

In order for evidence to have weight, you have to have evidence first; and I submit that the world splitting time up should be counted as evidence.

To ignore it is to ignore history.

Your submission is rejected. It is evidence that the people who decided which year to arbitrarily set as zero in the Gregorian Calendar were christians. Nothing else.

Also, for your education:

Islamic calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Buddhist calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Roman calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

None of these are evidence of anything apart from the religiosity of their instigators.

 

[Ar Cosc]

No they don't. That is your assumption but that is not reality. Why should I entertain the possiblity that I might be wrong. I am not. Do you entertain the possibility that you might be wrong?

Yes, it's called intellectual honesty.

And there are Muslims who have blown themselves up in the name of their god. You'd want to be pretty convinced of his existence to do something as extreme as that.

 

[Inan3]

Yes, it's called intellectual honesty.

And there are Muslims who have blown themselves up in the name of their god. You'd want to be pretty convinced of his existence to do something as extreme as that.

Christianity is a CHOICE to believe where as Islam is a brainwashing of it's adherents by force. Not the same thing.

Well, in your best intellectual honesty tell me all your doubts about what you believe. What do you entertain is wrong about the way you think?

 

[Inan3]

Your submission is rejected. It is evidence that the people who decided which year to arbitrarily set as zero in the Gregorian Calendar were christians. Nothing else.

Also, for your education:

Islamic calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Buddhist calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Roman calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

None of these are evidence of anything apart from the religiosity of their instigators.

So are you saying that Muhammed is not real, and Budhha is not real and I guess you'd say Ceasar is not real either based on this answer to AV.

 

[Ar Cosc]

So are you saying that Muhammed is not real, and Budhha is not real and I guess you'd say Ceasar is not real either based on this answer to AV.

No, I'm saying that the Gregorian Calendar isn't evidence that your god is the One True God.

Christianity is a CHOICE to believe where as Islam is a brainwashing of it's adherents by force. Not the same thing.

Plenty of Christians aren't given the choice to believe. They're brainwashed from an early age, and many of them never escape.

You never answered me earlier, do you think you could choose to be a sincere Muslim, right now? Just choose to stop believing Jesus is the son of the One True God, and choose to believe in Islam instead? I'm guessing the answer is a resounding "no". So why do you assume that other people have a choice to sincerely believe christianity? You either believe it or you don't. Once you open your mind, you've got no more choice.

Well, in your best intellectual honesty tell me all your doubts about what you believe. What do you entertain is wrong about the way you think?

All my doubts? That's a pretty long list. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I hold the one and only perfect position on everything. As an example, although I don't believe in a creator deity, I don't summarily rule out the possibility of there being one. I don't think there is a divine creator, but I freely admit I could be wrong.

 

[Inan3]

No, I'm saying that the Gregorian Calendar isn't evidence that your god is the One True God.

So are you saying you believe Jesus Christ existed?

Plenty of Christians aren't given the choice to believe. They're brainwashed from an early age, and many of them never escape.

Oh, Give me a break!!

You never answered me earlier, do you think you could choose to be a sincere Muslim, right now? Just choose to stop believing Jesus is the son of the One True God, and choose to believe in Islam instead? I'm guessing the answer is a resounding "no". So why do you assume that other people have a choice to sincerely believe christianity? You either believe it or you don't. Once you open your mind, you've got no more choice.

I CHOSE to believe. I still CHOOSE to believe, even though, I have had so many atheists trying to change my mind with all their "evidence" . I still CHOOSE to believe because no one can tell me where it all came from. No one has the answer to how we got here. No one can fill in all the gaps and blanks that are still out there and no one can remove the last 40 years of a credible relationship with the Lord God from my life. He's in my heart, my life, my mind. No one has EVER been able to show me a better way. Do you have a better way, AC?

All my doubts? That's a pretty long list. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I hold the one and only perfect position on everything. As an example, although I don't believe in a creator deity, I don't summarily rule out the possibility of there being one. I don't think there is a divine creator, but I freely admit I could be wrong.

So if God revealed Himself to you you might believe in Him?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Christianity is a CHOICE to believe where as Islam is a brainwashing of it's adherents by force. Not the same thing.

Well, snce you've made a CHOICE, are you willing to consider the possibility, either here or somewhere down the road, that you made the wrong CHOICE?

Well, in your best intellectual honesty tell me all your doubts about what you believe. What do you entertain is wrong about the way you think?

We're discussing the possibility of being wrong -- have you ever considered the possibility that you were wrong... about anything?

 

[Ar Cosc]

So are you saying you believe Jesus Christ existed?

I believe he was a real historical figure, but that claims of his divinity have been greatly exaggerated.

Oh, Give me a break!!

It's true. Most christians come from Christian families. The only reason they're christian is because they've been indoctrinated by those around them. If they were first told about christianity at a later age, many would see straight through it.

I CHOSE to believe. I still CHOOSE to believe, even though, I have had so many atheists trying to change my mind with all their "evidence" . I still CHOOSE to believe because no one can tell me where it all came from. No one has the answer to how we got here. No one can fill in all the gaps and blanks that are still out there and no one can remove the last 40 years of a credible relationship with the Lord God from my life. He's in my heart, my life, my mind. No one has EVER been able to show me a better way. Do you have a better way, AC?

You're clearly very passionate about your religion, and I think this is clouding your judgement when it comes to evidence. Science can't explain everything, and probably never will be able to, but neither can religion. Christians don't complain about "gaps" in the bible because it doesn't tell them how to achieve cold fusion, or who the third Inca emperor was.

And you're still assuming I have some sort of choice whether or not to believe in Jesus. I've been trying to point out I can no more choose to sincerely believe in Jesus, than you could suddenly choose to believe Mohammed was Allah's messenger

So if God revealed Himself to you you might believe in Him?

I would, yes. Of course, I'd require better evidence than just an inner monologue.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

No they don't. That is your assumption but that is not reality. Why should I entertain the possiblity that I might be wrong. I am not. Do you entertain the possibility that you might be wrong?

Every day. That's the difference between you and me.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

I'd think it was a foolish statement coined by an atheist who doesn't know what either Christians or Hindus believe.

BUT if it were a real statement and I didn't know God I would begin to ask questions about what they meant by each of those things. Not so I could disprove them but so that I could understand. But I do know God and I do know Hindus don't have any of that in their religion and neither does any other religion ONLY Christianity with the ONE TRUE GOD.

No, as a Christian right now, if a Hindu came up to you and said those words, what would you think?

Let me repeat it:

I know what it is like to be a Hindu...to be born of Vishnu and to know him. I know what it is like to be led of the Spirit of Vishnu. I, also, know what it is like to be a non-Hindu...unsaved, lost, and without Vishnu and that is what it like to be an atheist or a Christian or a Muslim etc. Vishnu for ALL humanity. Vishnu is it.

 

[Delphiki]

Christianity is a CHOICE to believe where as Islam is a brainwashing of it's adherents by force. Not the same thing.

Funny. There's lots of Muslims in the world that say Christianity is brainwashing. I wonder why that is.