For the Conservatives: There is no “conservative" case to be made for Harris, so let me put that obtuse idea to rest

[Hammster]

There is no “conservative" case to be made for Harris, so let me put that obtuse idea to rest

I've read the case. I've considered the arguments' merits. And after it all, I firmly stand by this moral conviction:

notthebee.com

A person can lay legitimate claim to the title of conservative and not cast a ballot for Donald Trump this November. A person cannot lay legitimate claim to that title and cast a ballot for Kamala Harris.​

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

"no TRUE Scotsman... !"

 

[Yttrium]

There is no “conservative" case to be made for Harris, so let me put that obtuse idea to rest

I've read the case. I've considered the arguments' merits. And after it all, I firmly stand by this moral conviction:

notthebee.com

A person can lay legitimate claim to the title of conservative and not cast a ballot for Donald Trump this November. A person cannot lay legitimate claim to that title and cast a ballot for Kamala Harris.​

Sure they can, if they consider Trump to be a legitimate threat to the Constitution. Harris is the only candidate who has a chance of beating Trump. She's probably not going to be any worse than other Democrat presidents we've had, and we survived them.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Sure they can, if they consider Trump to be a legitimate threat to the Constitution. Harris is the only candidate who has a chance of beating Trump. She's probably not going to be any worse than other Democrat presidents we've had, and we survived them.

I agree. If we want to conserve our democracy and respect its lawful processes, Harris is the better choice among candidates who have the best chance.

I may still vote 3rd part depending an who makes it on the ballot.

 

[Belk]

There is no “conservative" case to be made for Harris, so let me put that obtuse idea to rest

I've read the case. I've considered the arguments' merits. And after it all, I firmly stand by this moral conviction:

notthebee.com

A person can lay legitimate claim to the title of conservative and not cast a ballot for Donald Trump this November. A person cannot lay legitimate claim to that title and cast a ballot for Kamala Harris.​

I was unaware whom one voted for was the sole determining factor of ones political outlook.

 

[Hammster]

Sure they can, if they consider Trump to be a legitimate threat to the Constitution. Harris is the only candidate who has a chance of beating Trump. She's probably not going to be any worse than other Democrat presidents we've had, and we survived them.

Then they aren’t voting for anything conservative.

 

[Hammster]

I was unaware whom one voted for was the sole determining factor of ones political outlook.

It’s not so much who, but what.

 

[Belk]

It’s not so much who, but what.

Seems to be whom if you are calling out a particular individual by name. But if you say it is a what then what item determines ones political outlook?

 

[Hazelelponi]

There is no “conservative" case to be made for Harris, so let me put that obtuse idea to rest

I've read the case. I've considered the arguments' merits. And after it all, I firmly stand by this moral conviction:

notthebee.com

A person can lay legitimate claim to the title of conservative and not cast a ballot for Donald Trump this November. A person cannot lay legitimate claim to that title and cast a ballot for Kamala Harris.​

Well I'm glad for an article finally. I said the same thing just last month:

KAMALA HARRIS RECEIVES ENDORSEMENT FROM NIKKI HALEY VOTERS PAC

KAMALA HARRIS RECEIVES ENDORSEMENT FROM NIKKI HALEY VOTERS PAC The political action committee (PAC) for former Republican presidential hopeful Nikki Haley pushed its support to Vice President Kamala Harris’ presidential bid just hours after President Joe Biden dropped out of the race. The...

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Then they should put a D beside their name and stop lying to people about their political affiliation because I'll guarantee you that a Republican might vote libertarian but they would literally never vote for Kamala Harris.

To pretend that turning our back on Israel when they are in a war, wanting to try and contravene the supreme court and federalize pro-partial birth abortion laws, pro- who cares about women laws and attempt to change title 9 forcing women to compete against biological men, open borders, horrible economic policies and more are just fine policies for a Republican is a lie on it's face.

Republicans are pro- economic growth, pro states rights on abortion laws, we stand by our allies when they are ruthlessly attacked by terrorists, and we defend our nation from foreign invaders so that Americans are not unnecessarily burdened or harmed etc etc etc.

Very different policy objectives and a Republican isn't signing up onto the Democrats platform.

^^^ That's what I said last month in that thread.

From your article :

"But voting in favor of Kamala Harris, who from a conservative perspective, is demonstrably worse on every significant political issue, cannot be construed as conservative in any reasonable sense. Take the issues I just mentioned.

• Abortion? Harris promotes abortion to the moment of birth, and her vice-presidential pick favors legalized infanticide (outside the womb). A conservative can logically deny their vote to both, but cannot justify voting for Harris if Trump isn't pro-life enough.
  
  
• Guns? Harris is on record supporting what would be civil war-initiating gun confiscation efforts. A conservative can logically deny their vote to both, but cannot justify voting for Harris if Trump isn't pro-gun enough.
• Personal character? Harris' life story is full of rank profligacy. A conservative can logically deny their vote to both, but cannot justify voting for Harris if Trump isn't moral enough.

In other words, whatever conservative conviction you hold that disqualifies Trump from receiving your vote, would necessarily disqualify Harris from the same."

Totally agree here. The policies on the left are so far left that there's no conservative reason at all that Trump would justify a Harris vote to an actual conservative.

 

[Yttrium]

Then they aren’t voting for anything conservative.

Right. Just like this time around, I don't care about the political policies of the two candidates. I'm strictly voting against Trump. As far as the presidential race goes, I'm setting aside centrism for the moment. Hopefully next time around the Republicans will nominate somebody else and I can go back to looking at the policies.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Then they aren’t voting for anything conservative.

True. Their convictions at that point are concerned with maintaining an ever farther left leaning status quo, the same status quo that caused many conservative constituents to stop voting for these ridiculous 'lefty' candidates the party began offering.

I'm actually quite thrilled for these people to just be honest and put a D besides their name and stop allowing themselves to be used for left wing propaganda...

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Harris' life story is full of rank profligacy.

Really? Such as?

 

[Hammster]

Right. Just like this time around, I don't care about the political policies of the two candidates. I'm strictly voting against Trump. As far as the presidential race goes, I'm setting aside centrism for the moment. Hopefully next time around the Republicans will nominate somebody else and I can go back to looking at the policies.

You are voting for liberal policies.

 

[Yttrium]

You are voting for liberal policies.

Whoever I vote for in any election, I'm not going to agree with all of their policies. Because as far as I know, there aren't any centrists running in races that I can vote for. I'm never voting for every policy of the person I'm voting for, I'm weighing the policies and voting for what I consider to be the best mix.

And for president this time around, I don't care about the policies at all.

 

[Hammster]

Whoever I vote for in any election, I'm not going to agree with all of their policies. Because as far as I know, there aren't any centrists running in races that I can vote for. I'm never voting for every policy of the person I'm voting for, I'm weighing the policies and voting for what I consider to be the best mix.

And for president this time around, I don't care about the policies at all.

Which doesn’t change anything I said.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Whoever I vote for in any election, I'm not going to agree with all of their policies. Because as far as I know, there aren't any centrists running in races that I can vote for. I'm never voting for every policy of the person I'm voting for, I'm weighing the policies and voting for what I consider to be the best mix.

And for president this time around, I don't care about the policies at all.

For me the country (in this context also known as the government) had gotten so bad there was no one else to vote for.

I took a chance that Trump was who he was purported to be and ended up grateful I did because Trump really was the right man at the right time.

I guess that's the difference between an actual conservative who really does care about policies and someone who cares about something else entirely.

But you're never voting against a candidate, your voting for the policies. When you vote, the blood is on your hands.

But if you think a Marxist and a Socialist are better for American society than a fairly centered Republican than you really aren't a conservative. That's all people are saying.

 

[Yttrium]

Which doesn’t change anything I said.

Let me put it another way. THE VOTE FOR PRESIDENT IS NOT THE SOLE DECIDING FACTOR IN POLITICAL POLICIES IN OUR NATION. Yes, I shouted that.

We have all sorts of political contests. Governor, senators, representatives, etc. I normally vote for both Republicans and Democrats in the same election. That's because I like a balance. So what policies am I voting for? US presidents can't enact most of the policies they're advocating anyway. They need help, and if the US Congress isn't inclined to help, they're not going to get very far.

Saying that I'm voting for Democrat policies by voting for one Democrat for president is ludicrous.

 

[Hammster]

Let me put it another way. THE VOTE FOR PRESIDENT IS NOT THE SOLE DECIDING FACTOR IN POLITICAL POLICIES IN OUR NATION. Yes, I shouted that.

We have all sorts of political contests. Governor, senators, representatives, etc. I normally vote for both Republicans and Democrats in the same election. That's because I like a balance. So what policies am I voting for? US presidents can't enact most of the policies they're advocating anyway. They need help, and if the US Congress isn't inclined to help, they're not going to get very far.

Saying that I'm voting for Democrat policies by voting for one Democrat for president is ludicrous.

It’s not ludicrous at all. To think it is is ludicrous.

 

[Yttrium]

It’s not ludicrous at all. To think it is is ludicrous.

Did you have an argument? Or are you just going to keep saying nonsensical stuff?

 

[Hammster]

Did you have an argument? Or are you just going to keep saying nonsensical stuff?

You seem to be getting emotional. I’ll let it go.