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[1whirlwind]

New World Order - YouTube


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It is so strange to see that NightHawkeye. 9/11/91 his comments were made...ten years later 9/11/01 the towers fell and tomorrow....ten years later the tenth anniversary of that terrible day.





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[NightHawkeye]

It is so strange to see that NightHawkeye. 9/11/91 his comments were made...ten years later 9/11/01 the towers fell and tomorrow....ten years later the tenth anniversary of that terrible day.

For some reason, the video date is mis-dated. The actual date of that joint session of congress where Bush used NWO was Sept. 11, 1990 (not 1991). The most famous use of New World Order though was on January 17, 1991 when the push-back began.

Here's a short summary of events: The History Place - Great Speeches Collection: President George Bush Speech Announcing War Against Iraq

On August 2, 1990, tanks and soldiers from Iraq crossed the border into neighboring Kuwait and seized the tiny, oil-rich nation. Iraqi troops then began massing along the border of Saudi Arabia.
Within days, American troops were sent to Saudi Arabia in Operation Desert Shield, protecting Saudi Arabia from possible attack. On August 6th, the United Nations Security Council imposed a trade embargo and financial sanctions against Iraq and authorized the use of force by naval forces in the Persian Gulf to prevent any violations.
President George Bush addressed a joint session of Congress a few weeks later and stated the U.S. could not allow Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to seize control of vital oil resources in the Middle East. President Bush then doubled the size of Allied forces in the region to 430,000 soldiers.
On November 29th, the U.N. Security Council authorized its member nations to use "all necessary means" to expel Iraqi troops from Kuwait if they did not withdraw by a deadline of January 15, 1991. President Bush then ordered more troops to the Gulf to pressure Saddam Hussein into evacuating Kuwait.
On January 9, 1991, Secretary of State James Baker met with Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz in Geneva for several hours in a last ditch effort to avoid war. The meeting ended in an impasse with Baker finally announcing the talks had failed. Three days later, the House of Representatives voted 250-183 and the U.S. Senate voted 52-47 to authorized President Bush to use military force.
The January 15th deadline passed quietly, as the 545,000 Iraqi troops in and around Kuwait did not budge. By now 539,000 American troops were in the Gulf along with 270,000 Allied troops from more than two dozen nations, the largest assembly of land troops and air power since World War II.
On January 17th, at 2:45 a.m., Baghdad time (6:45 p.m., January 16 - Eastern time), Operation Desert Shield became Operation Desert Storm as U.S. and Allied jets conducted a major bombing raid against Iraqi air defenses, communications systems, chemical weapons facilities, tanks and artillery. The air raid on Baghdad was broadcast live to a global audience by CNN correspondents perched on a city rooftop.
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Here's a chilling video ... in their own words ... of how some world leaders feel about a new world order ... interestingly, the name David Rockefeller keeps popping up ...

Those Who Doubt the NWO Conspiracy...Listen Closely - YouTube
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[NumberOneSon]

For some reason, the video date is mis-dated.

I'd guess that the reason is so that people will think there is a special significance in thinking that the 9/11 attacks happened exactly 10 years to the day after Bush mentioned a NWO in his speech. An 11-year anniversary just isn't as sexy...but that's just my opinion. But thanks for the fact-checking!

 

[NightHawkeye]

I'd guess that the reason is so that people will think there is a special significance in thinking that the 9/11 attacks happened exactly 10 years to the day after Bush mentioned a NWO in his speech. An 11-year anniversary just isn't as sexy...but that's just my opinion. But thanks for the fact-checking!

Now a conspiracy-theorist might think it a deliberate mis-information campaign, LOL ... which is what it seems like, since so many instances are mis-dated. That wouldn't make sense though ... except for dis-crediting the reliability of the source ... not that that's ever been done before.

As always, a little bit of due diligence goes a long way. In this instance, it wasn't all that hard to determine the actual date ... unless I got it wrong, that is.


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[1whirlwind]

Here's a chilling video ... in their own words ... of how some world leaders feel about a new world order ... interestingly, the name David Rockefeller keeps popping up ...

Those Who Doubt the NWO Conspiracy...Listen Closely - YouTube
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Rockefeller comes up as often there as George Soros is mentioned by GB.

So, Ron Paul tells us that Mitt and Newt are both members.



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[NightHawkeye]

Rockefeller comes up as often there as George Soros is mentioned by GB.

LOL ... evil is as evil does. Their names keep popping up because they've been playing dirty games for years ...

So, Ron Paul tells us that Mitt and Newt are both members.

Members of what?

Personally, I recommend they be judged on their individual records ... just my $0.02. Affiliation with those elite organizations seems to be so polluted that membership, by itself, probably means little.

The real question is: "Has candidate X sold his soul?" Scrutinize carefully. My assessment is based on truth ... anyone I judge to be lying, fails the test.


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[MasterRich]

I really don't know why He seals up some messages for a time. We'll have to ask Him when He gets here.....LOL!

hmm... I don't think we have to wait to find out why, the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to us [FONT=&quot]From what understanding I've got from reading about your friends dream is, it is a warning to "ALL" Christians around the world, God will not be mocked,

"Oh but I believe in Jesus and I read the bible but I'm going to have a wild time and party and do other things as well" Also, it is a warning and a message to us, how we go about spreading the message to others that there will be some who will continue to be rebellious in the messages and warnings they are given by God for continuing to act in these ways. There is the right way that God wants us to handle that.

No matter how hard and how guilty we feel to step aside from helping them when God asks us to, there is nothing we can do to save them they have made their choice. God has given us a free choice in this life but at a cost that we must abide and live by God's law in action, thought and word. Many continue to be lukewarm, stubborn or half-hearted[/FONT]

Rev 3:15-16

15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold I will spit you out of my mouth.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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[1whirlwind]

LOL ... evil is as evil does. Their names keep popping up because they've been playing dirty games for years ...


Members of what?

The New World Order. At the end of Ron Paul's video there were two lines of photos displayed...Hillary, McCain, Mitt and Newt, among others, were shown with a label...do not vote for these people, as they too were part of the NWO. Bachmann, Cain & Perry weren't pictured.

Personally, I recommend they be judged on their individual records ... just my $0.02. Affiliation with those elite organizations seems to be so polluted that membership, by itself, probably means little.

The real question is: "Has candidate X sold his soul?" Scrutinize carefully. My assessment is based on truth ... anyone I judge to be lying, fails the test.


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It's a good test.



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[NightHawkeye]

The New World Order. At the end of Ron Paul's video there were two lines of photos displayed...Hillary, McCain, Mitt and Newt, among others, were shown with a label...do not vote for these people, as they too were part of the NWO. Bachmann, Cain & Perry weren't pictured.

Partial CFR member list:
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Joe Biden
Christopher Dodd
Bill Richardson
Rudy Giuliani
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Newt Gingrich
Jim Gilmore

Video says:
DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY OF THESE PEOPLE!!!
They are all CFR members and will sell you out to rich international bankers.

As for Herman Cain ... although he was formerly the chairman of the Federal Reserve in Kansas City, there is no record I could find of him belonging to CFR.

Ron Paul certainly knows ... I'm actually surprised he's so vocal against the CFR ... I'm rethinking my ambivalence toward the CFR, LOL.

Ron Paul has attempted for years to have an audit of the Federal Reserve, so he certainly knows who the enemies of that are.


Kinda looks like only Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry pass the test here, huh? Maybe that's why Glenn Beck hasn't bad-mouthed Perry, despite the obvious big-business ties ... of course, press coverage has been way too kind to Perry ... that just doesn't smell right, considering the way they have trashed Bachmann and Palin.

It's a good test.

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Yeah, but it requires due diligence coupled with results of efforts from others. Thanks.

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[Dark_Lite]

Ya know ... or perhaps not ... that George H. W. Bush used the phrase New World Order on multiple occasions ... Jan 17, 1991 ... Sept 11, 1990 (most references say 1990, though some say 1991)

From: The History Place - Great Speeches Collection: President George Bush Speech Announcing War Against Iraq
We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order -- a world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful -- and we will be -- we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.'s founders.

And we can see how well the UN is working 20 years later after that speech was made.

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Draw your own conclusions about the New World Order that George H. W. Bush believed in ... in fact, deemed inevitable ... that he stated the United Nations would oversee ... one of the most corrupt entities on this planet ...

Out of context videos are terrible. Absolutely terrible. At least you provided the context for one of the speeches. And from that context it's clear that the use of the term doesn't mean the grand conspiracy that some people in this forum think will happen.

But the very end of that video is absolutely hilarious, for the sole reason that it shows how nutty conspiracy theories are. George W. Bush didn't take his chance to usher in a police state I guess. Oops. In fact, he's faded into obscurity! Oops.

That's all ancient history though ... it's not like any current world leaders have similar goals ... nah ... never seen that before in history.

Personally, I believe that George H. W. Bush had the noblest of intentions ... but also realize that he was interested in consolidating power ... as was his son ... just like Obama has done ... hmm ...

The lessons of history teach quite simply that power corrupts ... and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Recognizing that reality is hardly conspiracy theory ...

The lessons of history also teach us that the US is faltering (ever so slowly) as the world superpower, that other empires, much MUCH larger than the US (British Empire, anyone?) have fallen, that the first incarnation of the UN failed miserably, that the current incarnation of the UN doesn't have any REAL power in practical terms, and that that status hasn't changed since its inception.

The repetitive patterns of history are completely against the idea of a one world government being ushered in by some secret shadow society, and even if such a society existed, the study of history tells us it won't happen, and common sense tells us it's not even possible.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Out of context videos are terrible. Absolutely terrible.

Agreed.

At least you provided the context for one of the speeches.

Glad you agree that it was accurate and in context.

And from that context it's clear that the use of the term doesn't mean the grand conspiracy that some people in this forum think will happen.

I'll grant you that, Dark_Lite. We know from direct experience that accurate communication is sometimes difficult. It's not that people are "playing games", but that perspectives and background information are often different.

Yes, the term New World Order has taken on nuances ... some deserved ... some undeserved.

The lessons of history also teach us that the US is faltering (ever so slowly) as the world superpower, that other empires, much MUCH larger than the US (British Empire, anyone?) have fallen, that the first incarnation of the UN failed miserably, that the current incarnation of the UN doesn't have any REAL power in practical terms, and that that status hasn't changed since its inception.

The repetitive patterns of history are completely against the idea of a one world government being ushered in by some secret shadow society, and even if such a society existed, the study of history tells us it won't happen, and common sense tells us it's not even possible.

Yes ... but, study further ... over and over again some individuals attempt that conquest ...

Over and over again, some small petty person attempts world conquest ... often even denying and disguising the attempt ... just FACT ... it happened last century multiple times. What has changed recently? Is it less likely now than it was last century?


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Kewl thread! subcribing

 

[gracechick]

..."Imminent".

There was a very large house..a two story brick house with many rooms. Well lit up..a hive of activity.. and packed with people from all walks of life. There was lots of noise coming from the house.

People singing..shouting..partying..screaming..groaning in sexual and fleshly and even spiritual pleasures. It was all there in this house..the profane and disgusting to the "Apparently" righteous.

Outside the house in the backyard was a wire fence..a partition as it were. Behind this partition in the backyard was a flimsy looking garden shed..run down looking with an open front. Along the top of this fence were seven flourescent lights one against the other running along the top of the fence lighting up the back of the house and the entire backyard.

In the dream I was standing behind the fence looking through the wire at the house..shouting a warning of "Its about to happen..the world is going to shake..massive earthquake is about to strike..GET OUT OF THE HOUSE or you WILL DIE in there" ..no one could hear me above the noise and those who could see me..the ones leaning out the back windows of the house, were laughing and mocking at me.

So I decided to go INTO the house in a last ditch effort to warn them..so I walked out from behind the well lit fence..up the back stairs of the house and into the backdoor.

The scene that greeted me was pandemonium. I was in the kitchen looking out into the dining room. The kitchen was packed with all sorts of goodies..party snacks...roast meats..deserts..trays of nibbles..and LOTS and LOTS of "Alcahol" of every sort. In the loungeroom was a whole lot of "Christians" singing "up market" praise songs..dancingaround..feasting..laughing..drinking..yes..
getting DRUNK on one of the types of "Spirit" I had seen in the kitchen. I stood in awe..watching this orgy of "FLESH" dressed up as "Christianity" party like there was NO tomorrow..they were RIGHT in a way..there WAS no tomorrow for them..UNLESS they left the house that instant.

I went out into the loungeroom where the "Spiritual orgy" was taking place..stood amongst them and shouted as loud as I could "GET OUT OF THIS HOUSE RIGHT NOW..EARTHQUAKE ABOUT TO STRIKE and if you are STILL IN THIS HOUSE YOU WILL DIE"!!

They all ignored me..laughing and mocking...or starting a "Spiritual" debate with me over "Doctrinal" differences...trying to JUSTIFY their behaviour. I stood there and warned them again..they just turned the music up louder..swaying in a hypnotic "Praise trance" like you see at Benny Hinn meetings and the like....only two of them (There were about fifty there) were listening..one whole heartedly..the other with a "Ill listen but im gonna keep drinking" attitude.

They followed me out of the loungeroom...one of them still clutching his bottle of "Spirits"..... I told them to wait at the back door for a moment as I went to the other end of the house to warn the ones at that end.

I went down the hallway and looked in all the rooms..the further I got from the longeroom where the "Christian" party was going on the worse the "Sins" I saw taking place were getting. I saw people drunk and shooting up and taking drugs and fighting and lots and lots of sexual debauchery..like it was natural to them..and it was. These were the peolple of the world..born to it,,dying in it..never knowing any other life.

I warned them..the same warning I gave the "Christians"..and surprisingly MANY listened..(There were about 100 there)stopped what they were doing and FLED from the house.(Altogether about 20 people listened).leaving all their drugs and "Sprits" behind..they did not look back..they RAN as fast as they could to the other side of the fence out in the yard and waited for me in the shed.

The rest who did not flee began to get VERY violent..throwing beer bottles at me and spitting at me for scaring the heck out of their friends and ruining their party. I could see I was not going to get through to any more of them..those who were destined to heed and run..had already heeded and RAN..the rest..were cold and hard as ice...already dead. I stopped warning then..and left back to the loungeroom..for ONE more attempt to get the ones who SHOULD have known better to heed...the "Christian party crowd".

I walked into the loungeroom..the so called very worldy sounding so called "Christian" music was up full blast..they were feasting and drinking and just having a "Good time in the Lord"...getting "Drunk" in the Lord...totally OBLIVIOUS to anything I had to say. I tried and tried..begging them..PLEADING with them...they refused to even look at me..and they too started to get violent..throwing plates at me and calling me "Possesed" and a "Demon" for daring to come against their so called "Move of the Spirit" that they were enjoying so much. With a heavy heart..I left..and fast..because I KNEW the great quake was just about to hit.

I raced down the stairs..the other two from the "Christian crowd" had been waiting for me as promised..one sober but still not 100% certain..the other holding onto the rail of the stairs...still holding his bottle of "Spirits"..swaying drunkenly saying "Im only coming down there for a laugh really..just to see what all the fuss is about".

The others..the "Worldy" people who had repented and fled were ALREADY BEHIND the fence..IN the garden shed..SAFE..and praying..even without anyone to lead them..they KNEW by instinct to pray now..instantly converted..the Holy Spirit teaching them DIRECTLY what to do without anyone to tell them.

The Lord then spoke to me saying [b]"FLEE NOW..GET TO THE SHED...DONT LOOK BACK..ITS COMING ANY MOMENT"[/b]

I fled..ran as fast as I could..the other two lagging behind..although the sober one was at least doing a brisk walk...the drunken one could harldy stand but was making a half hearted attempt to follow..laughing and saying "THIS should be funny".

I Got behind the wire fence with the seven lights on it...turned and faced the house and shouted to the two in the yard on the other side of the fence..."RUN..NOW..PLEASE..GET BEHIND THIS FENCE or you will FALL and be HURT BADLY"...for the Lord had told me NOT..under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES..to go out into the yard again leaving the safety of the fence to speed them along..they were on their own in the walk from the house to behind the fence.

The sober one of the two walked up to the fence and took hold of it..still on the other side though..staring up at the lights. The other one..the drunk one..still with bottle in hand got as far as the middle of the yard..when it HIT...and BOY oh BOY did it HIT HARD.

The ground HEAVED..sudden and fast motion back and forth.

Although I was on my feet and NOT holding onto anything I did not fall..instead I swayed back and forth with the rhythm of the rocking..like you would on a rocking boat to stay upright. I moved with the quake..back and forth..shaken..but NOT FALLING..secure behind the fence.

Those inside the shed right behind me did not even shake...the shed swayed back and forth..but they did not..like in that shed the ground was perfectly still..they just kept praying and as they looked out of the shed..they beheld the fate of those who refused to heed the warning.

The house..the house FELL with a GREAT CRASH..instantly turned to rubble..NO one had time to get out of the house..it fell HARD and FAST..killing at least 50% of those inside instantly......and those inside who did mange to survive the crash..did not live for much longer..mangled in the rubble..groaning..dying fast. Most of them were totally dead when the final wave hit..when the WRATH hit...because the GREAT QUAKE..was NOT THE WRATH..it was the WARNING...of what was to come.

As the quake hit..the sober one holding onto the other side of the fence held on for a few moments...but eventually fell..with a broken arm and leg...and six of the seven lights on the fence exploded..sending shards of glass all over the yard...although they didnt hit the one just on the other side of the fence..he was spared getting cut to ribbons by the flying glass..and although wounded with broken limbs..was UNCUT.

The drunk one out in the yard..the half hearted cynical one...the one who had only left the house for a laugh and curiosity..HE did not fare so well..

He fell and fell HARD..he already had trouble standing as it was. When he hit the ground the bottle of "Spirits" he had in his hand shattered..slicing his hand to bits because he would NOT let go of it..even as he fell he clung to the "Fake" spirit".

He rolled around on the ground screaming as the earth shook..then the lights exploded..showering him with hot shards of glass..cutting him all over from head to foot...he was covered in deep cuts..but still alive...somehow..and..he was NO LONGER DRUNK.

Then the ground stopped heaving..a dead calm came..silent..broken only by the cries of the fatally wounded in the rubble of the house.

I called to the men in the yard..."Quick..hurry..the second wave is about to hit..and it WONT be a quake..it will be MUCH WORSE..MOVE..NOW..IGNORE THE PAIN AND MOVE NOW..OR YOU WILL DIE OUT THERE..GET TO THE SHED."

The man with the broken arm and leg hopped painfully around the end of the fence and into the shed. The moment he was in the shed he was healed..arm and leg whole again..he joined in prayer with those in the shed. The man out in the yard was in a bad bad way..he was in so much pain..and VERY very repentant..except he could hardly move now..bleeding all over. He struggled to his feet..turned and SPAT at the broken bottle on the ground..tears in his eyes..so full of remorse and sorrow..at the way he had treated God and his sweet gentle Holy Spirit.

He turned towards the fence..tears and blood mingled on his face...and began to hobble oh so slowly and painfully towards the end of the fence and to final safety of the shed. I wanted SO much to help him...every fibre of my being screamed out to me to walk out into the yard to help..but the Lord said [b]"NO...what one sows is what one reaps..he must make it on his own with what he NOW knows with all His heart...he is mine now..but he must face the consequences of his actions..I chastise those whom I love"

The sky was growing dark..VERY dark..far darker than the night.

The sky was growing darker and darker...massive black clouds were building and building...silent..ominous..BLACK...

The remaining light at the end of the fence grew brighter and brighter..as the wounded man in the yard hobbled slowly..but as fast as he could mange..towards the light indicating safety. I kept calling encouragement to him..urging him on to greater effort..and he was trying so hard...closer..closer...finally he reached the end of the fence..right under the light..tears streaming down his face...and using the fence as support pulled himself around to the other side of the fence.....

I stood and watched his struggle..heart breaking that I could only encourage but not touch him...then as he approached the fence the Lord said [b]"GET IN THE SHED WITH THE OTHERS NOW...THE WIND OF MY WARTH HAS COME"

I dove into the shed then..the struggling man still out there..but at LEAST he was on the RIGHT side of the fence now..but ONLY JUST......then the WIND HIT.

All of us in the shed ceased praying..in awe at what was taking place outside.....

A wind..a MIGHTY WIND...howled down upon everything. It blew the rubble of the house away..the bricks and rubble flew like styrafoam before a hurricane. Even the foundations of the house were torn from the ground and blown away..gone..the ground stripped BARE.

As the remains of the house blew away..even above the howl of the wind we could hear screams and curses coming from the rubble...those cursing the most vehemantly were the "Christians" from the loungeroom end of the house..CURSING and BLASPHEMING GOD...as what they TRULY WERE was exposed in the WRATH...when every foul and "Religious Spirit" was exposed..revealed for what they truly were..CURSING their way to doom.

Meanwhile...The man outside the shed but on OUR side of the fence knew he was about to die as he could not make it to the shed. But he also knew he was SAVED..[b]though as THROUGH FIRE...and as the wind hit..he fell to his knees...crying in joy and sorrow..as his body was destroyed...we saw his Spirit leave his body then...he rose up...still..steady..in the mighty wind..as his body was blown away like chaff. He saw us..smiled as us..looked at me and said "I am SO SO SORRY for mocking you..thank you so much for trying to warn us..I am saved now..but I do not deserve to be..great is the MERCY of our God...even to a mocker..a half hearted wretch like me...it cost me everything...I LOST everything....and I have gained eternity...thank you."

Then he left..to heaven in a flash he was gone...saved ONLY by the skin of his teeth. Despite his many years of churchgoing and singing and praising and getting "Drunk" in the Lord..up until that moment he was doomed.

The wind kept blowing..the shed swayed in the wind..this flimsy looking run down shed..that LOOKED like it would collapse under the slightest breeze..only swayed..and all of us inside this shed felt not the slightest breeze within it.

Then the storm passed...the black clouds were split apart by the most amazing golden bright light breaking through them...the light filled the sky...shining down on the earth..bare..stripped of all that used to be...

We waited in the shed...watching..to see what would happen next.....then I woke up...

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Getting back to the OP Im confused why so many Church goers don't want to believe that Christ's return is Imminent and could happen at anytime as most signs spoken of in the Bible have or are soon to occur is something not easily comprehended. If one believes in a words cannot express eternal Heaven ect all of us should be rejoicing and shouting from the rooftops "He's coming". As remember even King David danced and so greatly before the Lord in his joy and worship that his wife yelled for him to stop as he is certaintly shaming himself.

Ah the next statement I can already see forming on most naysayers lips is "Arn't you worried for those that have not accepted Jesus?" And to that I say "absolutely". But even the scripture says work until the day is done for the laborer cannot work when night has descended.

Continued in following post...

 

[gracechick]

Reading through this powerful dream I find nothing I would consider unscriptural. And anyone even partially aquainted with dreams and visions knows that some is to be taken literal while the rest of the message tends to be symbolic. Yes I've had a few in my time and some have come true while others are yet to be fulfilled imho. So I do have some personal knowledge of the spiritual gifts.

I have been attacked often for speaking about what I've been shown and each time I am mocked I remind myself that if this is of the Lord then they are answerable to Him not me. It is not my character, name and reputation that is being slandered if the message is of God. It is the Lord's name that is being dragged through the mud.

As for the dream what stood out to me the most is that professing believers were partying down and refusing to even consider that the Lord may be using a friend, neighbor, relative or stranger to warn them of being too worldly and partaking of some false doctrine or another. Many seem to have chosen "their god" by staying with the ungodly.

Those that remain safe in the dream are those that yielded to the message and ran into the Gardner's humble shed for protection. They appear to be the one's that were willing to be pruned by the Master Gardner and ran to Him for His wisdom and shelter. The other's decided to chase after their own fleshy wants and desires which has cost them their life and their soul imho

So if anyone sees a part of the dream they consider ungodly or un Christlike I would like to hear their thoughts on it. And I bet they are coming. Bring 'em on and we'll all discuss it here

 

[MasterRich]

As for the dream what stood out to me the most is that professing believers were partying down and refusing to even consider that the Lord may be using a friend, neighbor, relative or stranger to warn them of being too worldly and partaking of some false doctrine or another. Many seem to have chosen "their god" by staying with the ungodly.

Those that remain safe in the dream are those that yielded to the message and ran into the Gardner's humble shed for protection. They appear to be the one's that were willing to be pruned by the Master Gardner and ran to Him for His wisdom and shelter. The other's decided to chase after their own fleshy wants and desires which has cost them their life and their soul imho

I kind of feel the same way, it was the part of the dream that stuck out the most for me. I'm willing to give up everything and do what the Lord tells me too, rather stay behind and be foolish and stubborn and ignore the warnings and signs that I already have being given.

Others like my mom, dad and sister, especially my mom, try and make me focus on earthly matters and life more also a few mocked or made a joke about my tesimony that I shared with them.

• Mom; Put your money away get some interest on it. The way the economy is going you need to save your money or you won't survive.

• Mom; Stop getting brainwashed about this stuff nothing is going to happen if it does you can't do anything about it I'm going to enjoy myself while I'm alive and so should you. You havn't even had a girlfriend yet even sex! and your almost 30, guys your age are married and have familes.

• Sister; You read too much in the events today they said the same thing years ago and nothing happened

• Mom; You don't have the Holy Spirit in you! it's just your innerself talking to you. How do you know that it's God talking to you?

• Sister before she believed me; The reason why you dreamt of Hell is because you watch too many horror movies, it was nothing.

• Reader of my testimony; How was it in hell did you see any famous people down there? how are they?

• Friend of mine; I beieve you didn't dream of Hell it was just s nightmare and I don't think you saw any of it or means anything, sorry don't believe you.

Tried to share my testimony at a church about my vision of Hell and how Jesus saved me and the warning I wanted the Church to hear, the minister said "Are you sure you are not just suffering from depression? I can put you with someone who can help you with that. Your story stays with me in my office, I won't tell anyone about it.

I refused to fill out the UK census forms as the Holy Spirit was warning me and shaking my very foundations up when my mom was shouting at me on the phone to do it. She was scaring me half to death about the consequences if I wouldn't fill it in.

I didn't do it, and nothing happened to me because I trust in what God was telling me. it almost felt like I had to take the mark or else something bad will happen, that's how it felt to me.

The pressure was great and my mom kept the pressure on telling me "They will take away your house, they wil put you in Jail, they will find you and fine you £1,000, don't come to me for help if they fine you!"

You see I've made my choice, I'm the people who hear the Lord's warning to flee when the danger arises and be safe than ignore him and follow everyone else in my own pride and foolish ways. It wasn't nice to hear that stuff sometimes thinking about what was said to me at the time makes me upset. But as a follower of Christ I have taken up my cross and to follow Jesus despite what will happen to me.

"They will hate you for my names sake" and I understand that now and I accept that, there isn't anything I can do but I've accepted that some won't listen, some will tell me i'm foolish and living in a fantasy world where the bible is made up. But my faith is too strong to be hindered. I can't be led astrayed by those who say such things, because I'm a child of God now, "There is not one that I will loose" "They are mine, and I want them to be with me where I go"

 

[Gnarwhal]

To me the foolish Christian, the ones who are really "burying their heads in the sand" are the Christians who know, who have seen the pain in suffering in the world like hunger, filthy drinking water, human trafficking, etc and turn a blind eye, choosing to sit complacently behind their computer screens all day and make hundreds of posts online about irrelevant conspiracy theories. Sitting with their hands neatly tucked beneath their rears awaiting to be raptured "off this rock" instead of participating in God's restoration of creation here and now.

Some Christian circles get so caught up in arbitrary "signs and wonders" that they're missing out on our true mandate. Loving one another through loving acts of compassion and generosity, being Jesus with skin on to the people of the world, looking after orphans and widows, being good stewards or the Earth with responsible decision making, and reaching out to the places where there is real pain--not with our checkbooks, but with ourselves. Making ourselves available in heart, mind and spirit to take these things on, to hear someone else's story, to lend a helping hand, to get dirt under our finger nails. None of this planting our behinds in front if a computer screen for hours on end trying to crisscross scripture with our morning newspaper and make some kind of esoteric eschatological "sense" out of it as though we're the main character from A Beautiful Mind.

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[gracechick]

I believe you are taking for granted the fact those that hide behind socalled conspiracy theories are ignorant of the world. It is just the opposite my brother for people like LisaLisa and Almightyshumbleservant. Considering many of the vulnerable are kept in poverty, slaves to drugs and caught up in the evil web of human trafficking by the very people in power that the media praise on a daily basis. And this can be found out about by those that have the heart, guidance of the Lord and the stomach to handle it. It isn't pretty. Suit yourself if you wish to focous on what the curse of sin has brought to this world instead of seeking ways to abolish it till Jesus comes. But I plan to pray and do what I can for those in need while I'm still here with one eye on the sky rejoicing as I wait for that marvelous day when the King comes for me *and the true Church*.

 

[Gnarwhal]

The point isn't trying to "expose the powers that be" or "pull the curtain back on the 'elite'", but helping the victims. We can cry foul all we want about things that in all reality aren't true, simultaneously ignoring the actual reality that in the space of 15 minutes we took to craft another NWO post, a dozen three-year-old Cambodian girls were just pimped out to some 40-year-olds.

I think when we come together for these people that's when our eyes are really focused on the kingdom.

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[Lisa*Lisa]

To me the foolish Christian, the ones who are really "burying their heads in the sand" are the Christians who know, who have seen the pain in suffering in the world like hunger, filthy drinking water, human trafficking, etc and turn a blind eye, choosing to sit complacently behind their computer screens all day and make hundreds of posts online about irrelevant conspiracy theories.

Really? Do you know anyone like that because I sure don't.

I spend my days spreading the Word to the unsaved. How do you spend your days?

Boy this thread sure has been derailed, the message of repentance has been lost due to the constant bickering. So sad! This is why I don't post here much anymore, I can't stand all of the arguing. Nothing uplifting about it at all, it brings a person down.