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For Mark Kennedy. Why is a finch a bird? Why is a human not an ape?

Loudmouth

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You are right though. I don’t care if he gets help. It’s more important to get a good debate going that people may learn something from rather then just trying to get something by your opponent. If I’m wrong about something I'd want to know.

You did nothing wrong. Just wanted to make it clear that getting help from others is just fine. I didn't want to make anyone look hypocritical.
 
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bump again. I'll bump it again when Mark seems to be posting again.
If he starts posting again. On EvC Forum, he announced that he was so fed up he was giving up arguing about creation and evolution. He wasn't treated particularly gently -- not that he acted in a way that exactly invited a gentle response.
 
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Why can't you silly Atheists just accept that the baseless assertion that humans are not Apes and that bats are birds?

I have an old book that says so and many people agree that this book is the bestest book ever. So I am right.

We have religion because we have pulse! People who go through life not questioning their existence are the cowards.

And honestly, you think people will be nice if there was no religion?

Religion is just an excuse for men to throw punches, not the reason! Take away religion and they'll find another reason to fight.
 
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If he starts posting again. On EvC Forum, he announced that he was so fed up he was giving up arguing about creation and evolution. He wasn't treated particularly gently -- not that he acted in a way that exactly invited a gentle response.
He certainly is predictable and repetitious, isn't he?

My guess - in about 3 weeks to a few months, he will be back, perhaps not here, but he will be back somewhere, posting the exact same personal-incredulity based arguments as if the previous discussions never took place.

That is what creationists do. Just ask Supersport.

I especially like Mark's take on genetics:

Sure, 40,000 amino acids don't seem like a whole lot until you take into consideration that this is 120,000 nucleotides at the very least.

Here, Kennedy makes it crystal clear that he things in order to produce an amino acid substitution, the entire codon must be changed.

And he wonders why his 'knowledge' of the subjects he pontificates on is often the subject of disucssion rather than the topics themselves...
 
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Wait - there is more:


Don't you get tired of being wrong? Nonesense, there is no such thing as a coding nucleotide. There are aminio acid seqeunces in protein coding gene have to translate into meaningfull proteins.

I guess old Marky didn't get to posting that one here yet...

The trainwreck can be read here...
 
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We have religion because we have pulse! People who go through life not questioning their existence are the cowards.

What about the people who create gods to make themselves feel better?

And honestly, you think people will be nice if there was no religion?

Yes, why wouldn't they? Without religion would you be a puppy eating serial killer? If so, I am really concerned for you.

Religion is just an excuse for men to throw punches, not the reason! Take away religion and they'll find another reason to fight.

For the record, I hold humans responsible for their actions, not religions.
 
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We have religion because we have pulse! People who go through life not questioning their existence are the cowards.

And honestly, you think people will be nice if there was no religion?

Religion is just an excuse for men to throw punches, not the reason! Take away religion and they'll find another reason to fight.

Biologists post said nothing about religion and dont try and take this thread off topic.
 
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I guess old Marky didn't get to posting that one here yet...

The trainwreck can be read here...


That thread is just incredible. Mark clearly demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the most basic elements of genetics, and accuses people pointing out these glaring errors as engaging in "semantics."

How can creationists seriously hope to contend with evolutionary biology when they display a level of mastery below that of an introductory college course? This just never ceases to amaze me.
 
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A finch is a bird because God made finchs to be birds.

A human is not an ape because God made humans to be humans, and apes to be apes.


God gives the answer to these and other questions in Genesis 1 and 2, if you ever bother to read it.

GOD'S LAW IS CLEAR -- THE PENALTY SEVERE!!!


 
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A finch is a bird because God made finchs to be birds.

A human is not an ape because God made humans to be humans, and apes to be apes.

God gives the answer to these and other questions in Genesis 1 and 2, if you ever bother to read it.


Define "ape".
 
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A finch is a bird because God made finchs to be birds.

A human is not an ape because God made humans to be humans, and apes to be apes.
Ooh this looks fun. Let me try.

A duck is a bird because God made ducks to be birds.
A lion is a cat because God made lions to be cats.

A duck is not a bird because God made ducks to be ducks, and lions to be lions.

Wait, a minute. Ducks are birds in exactly the same way that lions are cats, and humans are apes.
 
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A finch is a bird because God made finchs to be birds.

A human is not an ape because God made humans to be humans, and apes to be apes.

Great okay. So now I think this sums up Marks position also. Maybe you can define these terms where he has refused to.

What is a bird?

What is an ape?

What is an human?
 
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We have religion because we have pulse!

I have a pulse, just measured it, it was 65 bpm, not bad, I don't have a religion because I don't believe in supestition, so uour statement is false

People who go through life not questioning their existence are the cowards.

How many people do that? People who invent gods to get them through life because they are terrified of dying are cowards, face it you will cease to exist, grabbing the crutch of religion will not alter that fact.

And honestly, you think people will be nice if there was no religion?

I have no religion and I am a moral person, how evil do you have to be to think that you would be amoral without the threat of everlasting damnation. I am good because I like being good, not because I am scared of punishment.

Religion is just an excuse for men to throw punches, not the reason! Take away religion and they'll find another reason to fight.

OK, so religion in your estimation solves nothing, then why believe, if it doesn't stop men fighting, to use your example, what is the point in it, it is useless.

Did you miss a negative out in that sentence somewhere?
 
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I guess old Marky didn't get to posting that one here yet...

The trainwreck can be read here...

I just looked through that and I was utterly appalled. No wonder some of the things we talked about on OT went over his head. The terrifying thing is that the various errors all seem to fit together somehow.

For example, one of his pet peeves was that in PTR22 something like 20.3% of proteins had gross structural changes. I tried to show him a few months ago that a "gross structural change" does not necessarily mean "a nano-whirlwind just ripped through this junkyard of a gene", something as innocuous as a single nucleotide deletion would result in "gross structural change" due to resulting frameshift. I was simply baffled why he wasn't getting it.

Turns out he thought amino acids code for proteins the whole time. No wonder.

All that work wasted.
 
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