For Atheists

[Grannen]

Which is exactly why you should convert to Islam, or else you'll go to hell. That's how it works, right?

Also, yay for necro-threads!

If you check the date you will see my reply is recent.

Islam - Okay, where's the proof? It's just the words of a pedophile and it's a failed cultural model.

Before Islam, the Arab world was the center of knowledge. Where do you think those math numbers come from? Now, all they do is oppress women and try to kill Americans. They don't progress at all, while Christianity was foundation for modern science. All other cultures learned from the European Christian culture, else they'd be stuck in the ancient ages and so would Europe without Christianity. USA was also founded on Christian ideals, no wonder Europe and USA rule the world now, God is on our side.

But of course, the atheists think Christianity = all other religions lol.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Before Islam, the Arab world was the center of knowledge.

Before Islam? It was after Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

During that time, the European Christians were uneducated barbarians compared to them. Was God on Islam's side during that time?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[SithDoughnut]

If you check the date you will see my reply is recent.

But the reply before your first post wasn't. Hence the necro remark.

Islam - Okay, where's the proof? It's just the words of a pedophile

And Christianity is the words of a zombie. Not that it matters - the truth is the truth regards of who says it, and Christianity has as much proof going for it as Islam.

and it's a failed cultural model.

Christianity has had to adapt so many times it's barely recognisable as the religion it originally was. Islam flourishes fine in the Middle East, Asia, Africa and around the world. It's the second most followed "cultural model" in existence.

Before Islam, the Arab world was the center of knowledge.

Eudaimonist dealt with this.

But of course, the atheists think Christianity = all other religions lol.

And the Christians tend to think that it is better. But then, we all have our faults.

 

[Tim the Plumber]

God is your Lord! You must follow him without question because ultimately there is a purpose to everything that happens and everything he commands. Who are you to question your Creator?

Do you have any evidence for this or are you just trying to shout loudly hoping that that will stop those annoying questions forming in your mind?

1 Do you have evidence the there was a concious creator of the universe?

2 Do you have any evidence that this entity still exists or is involved with the progress of the universe in any way?

3 Do you have any evidence that this intelegence is in any way the author of the bible and to what extent is it acurate to it's will? Have any bits been put in by humans for political reasons?

4 Do you have any evidence of purpose to the universe?

5 I am a self awair thinking human with free will and the wish and responsiblity to question everything. Especially the more dangerous ideas of stupid doctrine such as religion or political religions. I disagree with communisim and an a global warming skeptic.

 

[Biker Angel]

God is your Lord! You must follow him without question because ultimately there is a purpose to everything that happens and everything he commands. Who are you to question your Creator?

Remember your talking to atheists here, they don't believe they were created.
Careful they don't surround you and try to pin you down on something you can't answer. Good luck soldier and I'll be watching your back and praying for you.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Remember your talking to atheists here, they don't believe they were created.
Careful they don't surround you and try to pin you down on something you can't answer. Good luck soldier and I'll be watching your back and praying for you.

"Soldier"!

 

[awitch]

"Soldier"!

Even worse is recommending he NOT engage for fear he would lose the battle.

 

[razeontherock]

No worries there The noob upstart is so out of his depth he doesn't even realize how ridiculous his insistence for evidence is. Any bets on how long that might take? Here's starters:

Mattew 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

 

[Biker Angel]

"Soldier"!

 

[Jeneshisu]

There isn't any evidence for the spiritual. That's why it is called faith.

And the Ouija Board is the ideometer effect.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Ok how do you like these views.




How can you believe in no god if there is proof of some spirit out there.

I don't see any proof. If you have some, I would GLADLY change my mind.

The reason is there is wege boards. I don't know if i spelled it right, but i think yall know what i am talking about.

Took me a while but I think you mean Ouija Boards. There's nothing magical or spiritual about them. Check out these videos.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

I'm really sorry for the language in those videos. If I could find a video that was as good about disproving Quija Boards without all the swearing, I would have posted it.

IF there was no God then there would probaly not be life after death

Right. Probably not. And is that really so bad? Do you remember what it was like before you were born? Were you in pain or scared or depressed? No. There wasn't even black nothingness. You didn't exist. There might be life after death; who knows? But if there is, I really hope it's NOT the Christian idea of heaven. It seems exceedingly boring to me. The new heaven that God creates in Revelation is huge. I think I remember reading it will be bigger than the united states. But that is such a small place to explore FOR ETERNITY. If we were allowed to leave and explore the cosmos, that might be fun but eventually you would get tired of immortality. There would be nothing new to see. No more interesting people people to meet. Actually I think there would be very FEW interesting people to meet. Admit it, drama and intrigue, and conflict is what makes life interesting. Spending a trillion trillion trillion years with the same 100 million or so goody-goodies sounds boring. And when that trillion trillion trillion years are over, you have to spend another trillion trillion trillion years with them. And then again. And then again. And then again............

Reincarnation might be fun for a while. Valhalla would be pretty cool because you get to fight your friends over and over, never growing hungry, always be resurrected if you die. But even Valhalla ends eventually.

I'm personally hoping there's nothing. I'd rather not spend a trillion years with Fred Phelps.

 

[Jeneshisu]

You don't need to believe in a God to believe in some kind of spiritual evolution after this life.

Some people believe in spiritual and physical reincarnation. A lot of people in the pantheistic community are satisfied with knowing that when they die, their bodies will return to the earth (and become nutrients for new life or just become part of the earth) And it has spiritual aspects though self awareness will still be gone, its not the same as non existence.

 

[razeontherock]

I There might be life after death; who knows? But if there is, I really hope it's NOT the Christian idea of heaven. It seems exceedingly boring to me. The new heaven that God creates in Revelation is huge. I think I remember reading it will be bigger than the united states. But that is such a small place to explore FOR ETERNITY. If we were allowed to leave and explore the cosmos, that might be fun but eventually you would get tired of immortality. There would be nothing new to see. No more interesting people people to meet. Actually I think there would be very FEW interesting people to meet.

Hi! Good to see you back. Where I snipped this off is the real point: meeting G-d, an eternal and infinite being, will NEVER be boring. Of course I know you can't appreciate that; heck, I know Him and I barely can fathom the concept in my best moments.

Other stuff: the Bible gives no size for "heaven." Never says we'll live there, either. It does give dimensions for something called "New Jerusalem" though, and when you do the math each person to have lived to date gets area in terms of square miles. That's just New Jerusalem. There's also the new earth, and the new heavens. Pretty sure He plans on populating those, which may prove to be part of the whole "from glory to glory" phrase. The info given is not detailed, nor has He shown me clear intent on that.

Anyway this is all WAY bigger than you've considered. Same goes for me

 

[Ayersy]

Ok how do you like these views.




How can you believe in no god if there is proof of some spirit out there.

The reason is there is wege boards. I don't know if i spelled it right, but i think yall know what i am talking about. Idk if you guys believe in those. but I have heard some pretty convincing stories. IF there was no God then there would probaly not be life after death

Ouija boards are just lumps of wood. There's a reason people have to have their hands on it in order for it to do anything.

I have never seen any proof for any kinds of spirit. If you have some (Besides ouija boards and other fakery) evidence, then I'd love to see it.

There is no life after death, and I have no problem with that.

EDIT: Whoa, didn't know this was such an old, dead, resurrected thread!

 

[Jeneshisu]

Yeah this thread is old, but its not like there is anything interesting anywhere else.

Actually, witch boards (ouija boards), automatic writing(more advanced), and pendulums are all forms of divination. So are astrological readings and tarot card readings. Other forms of divination include water or dark mirror scrying or smoke scrying.

While some people believe that these are all spiritual phenomena, there is actual evidence that suggests it isn't anything more than the power of suggestion at work. Something thought or felt that is suppressed is able to be released or channeled through divination. And that is done by using the language our subconscious is most fluent in and that is in symbolism and creative arts (writing, etc). It's beneficial for those looking within or looking for a different perspective on a situation. It's purely psychological.

However, there are people that believe that the subconsciousness is linked to spiritual planes. So there are people who believe that it is both scientific and spiritual.

I also suggest that people do stay away from ouija boards because of the bad rep surrounding them. It's already in the back of your mind that something frightening will come out from it. Especially if you're trying to spook yourself in a candle lit dark room which is not necessary.

I personally believe the best form is just writing or drawing. Art basically. A blank canvas is a good counselor. So is a good friend. Or God if you pray.

 

[awitch]

While some people believe that these are all spiritual phenomena, there is actual evidence that suggests it isn't anything more than the power of suggestion at work. Something thought or felt that is suppressed is able to be released or channeled through divination. And that is done by using the language our subconscious is most fluent in and that is in symbolism and creative arts (writing, etc). It's beneficial for those looking within or looking for a different perspective on a situation. It's purely psychological.

I do read tarot cards for people, but I let them know up front that I am not a psychic; I can't tell the future (because it is not yet written), and the reading is just to provide a new view point or new way of approaching a situation. I never charge for readings either. I ask the querents what they think of the results afterward, and I would guess that 5% say they have no idea what I was talking about, 5% don't know what to think, and the rest say it was very helpful.

I do treat it more like an entertaining psychological game more than decoding fate.

 

[Mythunderstood]

If you look at my post you're responding to, you'll see I wasn't responding to you. Now, on to what you've said:

Ghosts have nothing to do with this. Earth bound spirits DO have a bit-part in Christianity, but certainly are not a feature or leading role. In almost every case they're going to be either satan and his minions who followed him, or there may be a whole separate class that at one time had a (non-mankind) body and just never left when they died. There is Scriptural support for this, but like so many things it's not clearly spelled out, and this is an area I haven't even studied in depth, and He hasn't really shown me this in detail.

Now on to what's relevant that I know more about:

there are occasions in Scripture where people contacted the dead. It's not even included as anything out of the ordinary, except G-d forbids it. Now I ask you, what would Dear departed Aunt Melba really care if you spelled out JESUS on a Ouija board? And further, this still isn't likely to be any kind of controlled experiment because if all you atheists playing at home do this, demons don't know you, you don't know Jesus, and therefore His Name is not anything they'll respect. If anything they might attack you out of spite.

But get one of these things (that has been actively used of course) in the Presence of blood bought believers and do that and watch what happens.

The OP was positing that if there is a spiritual realm at all, it's a game changer for 99 out of 100 atheists.

Why would that be a game changer for atheists? Atheists don't believe in gods, period. This does not preclude them from believing in spirits, astrology, reincarnation, etc.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why would that be a game changer for atheists? Atheists don't believe in gods, period. This does not preclude them from believing in spirits, astrology, reincarnation, etc.

The Bible has spirits in it

Last time "spirits" used in Bible:

Reve 16:13 And I saw out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false-prophet three unclean spirits as frogs.
14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going out upon the kings of the whole land to be together leading them into the battle of the great day of the God, the Almighty.

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for YNG
"spirits"
occurs 42 times in 42 verses in the YNG

YouTube - ‪Spirits in the Material World - The Police‬‏

 

[Mythunderstood]

The Bible has spirits in it

Last time "spirits" used in Bible:

Reve 16:13 And I saw out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false-prophet three unclean spirits as frogs.
14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going out upon the kings of the whole land to be together leading them into the battle of the great day of the God, the Almighty.

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for YNG
"spirits"
occurs 42 times in 42 verses in the YNG

YouTube - ‪Spirits in the Material World - The Police‬‏

So? The bible has lots of things in it. People, snakes, donkeys, trees, blah blah blah..... Are you saying that atheists can't believe in anything if it is mentioned in the bible? The belief in spirits predates christianity anyway.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So? The bible has lots of things in it. People, snakes, donkeys, trees, blah blah blah..... Are you saying that atheists can't believe in anything if it is mentioned in the bible? The belief in spirits predates christianity anyway.

Never said it didn't.
The religion of Judaism uses the OT and Judaism predates Christianity by 1000's of years.

KJV) Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.