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We can always start with hope.Hope is very good and healthy for us and help us to wait patiently on Jesus.

Romans 5:5
Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.


1 Corinthians 13:13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Galatians 5:5
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Hebrews 6:18
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:


Romans 4:18
Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.


Romans 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Romans 12:12
Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;


Psalm 43:5
Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God.



16There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.

17An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.
18Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
19To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.
20Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield.
21For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name. 22Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee






Lamentations 3
21This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope.


22It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
23They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.
24The LORD is my portion, saith my soul; therefore will I hope in him.
25The LORD is good unto them that wait for him, to the soul that seeketh him. 26It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Isaiah 52

13Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
14As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: 15So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider
Isaiah 53


1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressor
 
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Jesus loves us inspite of doubts and fears and confusions and ocd or any affliction.

Jesus will protect and keep safe all His sheep.

unbelievers never worry or ask what they should do about a lack of belief .
Only believers worry about that.


Hopefully you will consider going to therapy or a doctor and getting treatment and hopefully you can go to your parents and ask them to find you some help.
 
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Maybe you have a counsellor at your school?

there are also crisis lines and teen lines to call and sometimes these people can help with problems
or help you find a counsellor or doctor.


God is already protecting and helping us.

Jesus never sleeps or slumbers, He is our Good Shepherd and is always protecting us.

God is an ever present help in time of need.

Maybe you will consider phoning a helpline or crisis line.
 
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Hello Humbleservant.

God can save you and change you. He has changed me dramatically for the better! Cry out to him....Humble yourself before him on your knees and ask him to help. Put your faith in him.

One way to focus is to pray to God everyday and read The Bible. Also, try to find a Christian radio station and listen to it. :thumbsup:

Praying for you. :) :prayer:
 
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Hello Humbleservant.

God can save you and change you. He has changed me dramatically for the better! Cry out to him....Humble yourself before him on your knees and ask him to help. Put your faith in him.

One way to focus is to pray to God everyday and read The Bible. Also, try to find a Christian radio station and listen to it. :thumbsup:

Praying for you. :) :prayer:
I've started trying that. But my problems have gotten worse.
 
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Hello Humbleservant.

God can save you and change you. He has changed me dramatically for the better! Cry out to him....Humble yourself before him on your knees and ask him to help. Put your faith in him.

One way to focus is to pray to God everyday and read The Bible. Also, try to find a Christian radio station and listen to it. :thumbsup:

Praying for you. :) :prayer:

Excellent post TimAM

:amen:

There were a few years I had only the teeniest amount of hope .
Yet deep in my heart I did have hope , even though I had fear and doubt and ocd etc, deep deep in my heart I had hope.
Believers can go through much trial and tribulation, but we are always safe in Jesus.
 
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Excellent post TimAM

:amen:

There were a few years I had only the teeniest amount of hope .
Yet deep in my heart I did have hope , even though I had fear and doubt and ocd etc, deep deep in my heart I had hope.
Believers can go through much trial and tribulation, but we are always safe in Jesus.
You seem to have a lot of confidence that I am a believer.


Well, I explained this to a friend of mine, but maybe this will help you guys. When I pray to God, this is what happens. I start telling God about my problems, how I need His help, tell Jesus to save me, how much I care, and how honest I'm being. Then doubts start coming in my mind about whether or not I believe that I'm praying to God. Then doubts come in my mind about whether or not I'm depending on God for help. Then I get doubts about whether I really believe Jesus. Then I get doubts about whether I care or how honest I'm being. One of my problems is that I can't tell whether I'm honest or not in this subject. Then I get doubts about whether I believe in God or if I want to. Maybe that will help you guys try to figure out how these things can stop. Because I can't be a Christian and have this at the same time. Because this happens from morning to night. I am really tired of crying all day and feeling miserable.
 
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Jesus invites us to come to Him just the way we are.

We may have doubts or confusions or ocd or questions or fears or weak and broken.


Jesus invites us to come to Him.

Come to Him for mercy and forgiveness

come to Him for weakness and brokenness

come to Him for help with doubt and confusion

come to Him with our questions and for wisdom

come to Him for strength and healing

We are welcome to ask Him for cleansing in His blood and salvation

Jesus invites us to come to Him for rest and peace

Jesus is full of mercy and compassion and gentleness and power to save

Jesus invites us to come to Him and He will in no wise cast us out

We can surrender to Him

He is our Saviour

We can come just as we are.
 
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You seem to have a lot of confidence that I am a believer.


Well, I explained this to a friend of mine, but maybe this will help you guys. When I pray to God, this is what happens. I start telling God about my problems, how I need His help, tell Jesus to save me, how much I care, and how honest I'm being. Then doubts start coming in my mind about whether or not I believe that I'm praying to God. Then doubts come in my mind about whether or not I'm depending on God for help. Then I get doubts about whether I really believe Jesus. Then I get doubts about whether I care or how honest I'm being. One of my problems is that I can't tell whether I'm honest or not in this subject. Then I get doubts about whether I believe in God or if I want to. Maybe that will help you guys try to figure out how these things can stop. Because I can't be a Christian and have this at the same time. Because this happens from morning to night. I am really tired of crying all day and feeling miserable.


Your not alone in this, I just want you to know that im going through the same things. Its been nearly a year for me and I cant find God or salvation, I have cried and prayed and cried and prayed and still nothing. I know how much despair this can bring.

People also seem so confident that im a believer but then that shocks me because its impossible for someone on the internet who doenst even know who you are to be able to see whats in your heart and say that your a believer.

Im right here with you, discouraged and feeling completely abandoned of God. As a matter of fact im so fed up with trying that im just about tempted to sink back into my old ways, at least then I didnt worry 24/7 about going to hell. Im sorry if this post is negative but this is exactly the way that I feel.

Humbleservant your still pretty young are you not? You likely still have a chance for salvation if you have not slid into deep sins the way that I did for so many years. I continued in a pattern of deep rooted sin for over 10yrs and I believe that in the process of doing this I went so far that I committed the unpardonable sin. God repeatedly warned me during those times and I spurned all of the warnings and didnt listen, eventually he stopped speaking to my heart and it was at this time that I believe the Holy Spirit left me to my sins and no longer convicted me.

Some people try to say I have no proof that the Holy Spirit left me but they are wrong, the proof that the Holy Spirit left me is that he stopped speaking to my heart, that is all the proof one needs. So yes, I believe I crossed over that line that divides between Gods mercy and Gods wrath.

Humbleservant if you can still detect God tugging at your heart even the tiniest bit then you need to take that and run with it! dont end up like me, dont put it off so long that he gives you up.
 
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Your not alone in this, I just want you to know that im going through the same things. Its been nearly a year for me and I cant find God or salvation, I have cried and prayed and cried and prayed and still nothing. I know how much despair this can bring.

People also seem so confident that im a believer but then that shocks me because its impossible for someone on the internet who doenst even know who you are to be able to see whats in your heart and say that your a believer.

Im right here with you, discouraged and feeling completely abandoned of God. As a matter of fact im so fed up with trying that im just about tempted to sink back into my old ways, at least then I didnt worry 24/7 about going to hell. Im sorry if this post is negative but this is exactly the way that I feel.
No it's okay. But, as you said, that's how I feel. People get confident that we're believers because we care about salvation. Unbelievers don't do that, apparently. I get tempted to give up too. But I've known the truth too long to give up. Not to mention I promised God I wouldn't reject Him. So, yeah. It's just, I need help from this. Because Christians need to walk by faith.

How can I walk by faith when this goes through my mind 24/7?
 
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No it's okay. But, as you said, that's how I feel. People get confident that we're believers because we care about salvation. Unbelievers don't do that, apparently. I get tempted to give up too. But I've known the truth too long to give up. Not to mention I promised God I wouldn't reject Him. So, yeah. It's just, I need help from this. Because Christians need to walk by faith.

How can I walk by faith when this goes through my mind 24/7?


This is going to be long but its worth a read so bear with me please.

First of all I would like to encourage you Humbleservant, I do not know you personally so I will not judge your heart but it sounds like to me you never fell into any deep rooted unrepentant sin the way that I did so that is a good thing. Also you are concerned about your relationship with the Lord, its not like you just fear going to hell, you have a genuine concern for being close to God, I see this as a good thing too.

Likely your issues truly are OCD related and are probably not spiritual issues at all. :)



Now for me on the other hand, im 36yr old married man. I was brought up in a church going home and even went to a christian school for 12yrs so my exposure to light is greater than a lot of people get, yet most people dont seem to understand how this makes my sins even that much worse. The unpardonable sin is committed by one who is exposed to a great amount of light and then walks away from it to continue down a spiral path of sin headed straight for hell. The book of Hebrews gives plenty of warnings concerning the upnardonable sin about walking away from the faith instead of pressing on to conversion.


Most people have a hard time seeing this as something that happened to me but I dont have a hard time with it at all, I think its exactly what happened to me.


You know whats really odd? Ever since I was a child and was just old enough to understand what the rapture was I have been terrified of being left behind. When I was around 12yrs of age I would go into panick if I could not find my parents in the house because I thought I was left behind. I used to cry myself to sleep wondering if when I woke up if they would still be there. I have never for some reason been able to see God as a God who loved me, I dont know if I was exposed to something at a young age or what but I can only see God as my judge instead of my heavinly father.


When I was a child I wanted to tell my parents about my fear of being left behind but its always like something was holding me back, I wanted to walk the aisle at church so many times and get saved but for some stupid reason I would just stand in place to afraid to move!


And now, to add insult to injury im finding out that I did not have to walk the aisle to get saved, all I had to do was just believe and ask God right there in my seat to save me and I would have been saved!!!


Do you see why im so upset? its like I have been cheated out of my chance for being saved because I had the wrong idea of what salvation was and how to obtain it. I always thought I had to go up in front of the church or tell a pastor I needed to be saved otherwise it would not happen but now im finding out this is incorrect!


But im finding all this out after the fact that the Holy Spirit stopped dealing with me so what good does it do for me now! all these things do is make me bitter now because I missed it. But at the end of the day I cant blame anyone else but myself.
 
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Even if a person did just fear hell to start,[/color]

Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

Jesus can work with that and Jesus can change a person's heart if they just come to Him for mercy and cleansing and salvation.

They will taste and see that He is good as they abide in Him.

Jesus can make them grow and mature and bear fruit and change their heart and make all things new.

We cannot fix our own hearts , we can do nothing without Jesus,
Jesus said that.

However we can make a choice to come to Jesus for forgiveness and cleansing and salvation

and let Jesus change our hearts and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We can renew our minds by reading the bible as Jesus helps us understand.

We can pray and worship.

But Jesus is the vine who makes us grow as we abide in Him.

Jesus changes our hearts when we come to Him.

Jesus forgives and cleanses us from all unrighteousness when we come to Him, just as we are

Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.

We just come as we are,

we cannot fix ourself

we can only come to Jesus

who makes all things new.

Likely your issues truly are OCD related and are probably not spiritual issues at all. :)

ocd or not , we can come as we are.

Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.



Now for me on the other hand, im 36yr old married man. I was brought up in a church going home and even went to a christian school for 12yrs so my exposure to light is greater than a lot of people get, yet most people dont seem to understand how this makes my sins even that much worse. The unpardonable sin is committed by one who is exposed to a great amount of light and then walks away from it to continue down a spiral path of sin headed straight for hell.


refers to people whom Jesus said to them,

my words have no place in you

why do you not believe Me when I tell you the Truth

why do you not understand Me etc.

They strongly believed Jesus was not good

not their Saviour

not God their Redeemer

could not forgive sin

not God

they wilfully and without fear opened their mouth and spoke out their unbelief against Him

and plotted against Him

They did not believe in Jesus

did not want Jesus

did not come to Jesus for forgiveness

they even tried to hide the evidence of His resurrection

If they had of come to Jesus for forgiveness and cleansing

If they had of believed in Jesus



Jesus said verily verily I say unto you, he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.

Jesus said he that cometh to Me , I will in no wise cast out.

Jesus is Truth

The scripture cannot be broken

Jesus Words will not pass away





The book of Hebrews gives plenty of warnings concerning the upnardonable sin about walking away from the faith instead of pressing on to conversion.


Does it say those people cannot be forgiven?

Jesus said with man this is impossible , but with God all things are possible.

Jesus also said all things are possible to Him that believeth.


Most people have a hard time seeing this as something that happened to me but I dont have a hard time with it at all, I think its exactly what happened to me.

Is the Lord's arm shortened that He cannot save?

Is anything too hard for Him?

Is His mercy new every morning?

Are all things possible to Him?

Does Jesus have power to forgive sin?

If we confess our sins is Jesus faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness?


You know whats really odd? Ever since I was a child and was just old enough to understand what the rapture was I have been terrified of being left behind. When I was around 12yrs of age I would go into panick if I could not find my parents in the house because I thought I was left behind. I used to cry myself to sleep wondering if when I woke up if they would still be there.


It seems like a deep fear was trying to take root

but nothing is to hard for Jesus to heal.


I have never for some reason been able to see God as a God who loved me, I dont know if I was exposed to something at a young age or what but I can only see God as my judge instead of my heavinly father.


Jesus came to heal the broken hearted and set at liberty those who are bruised.


When I was a child I wanted to tell my parents about my fear of being left behind but its always like something was holding me back, I wanted to walk the aisle at church so many times and get saved but for some stupid reason I would just stand in place to afraid to move!

Jesus saw your heart , He knew you wanted to get saved.

Jesus looks on the heart.

Man looks on the outside.


And now, to add insult to injury im finding out that I did not have to walk the aisle to get saved, all I had to do was just believe and ask God right there in my seat to save me and I would have been saved!!!


It is not too late Robert,

God is beyond time.

Jesus said verily verily I say unto you, he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.

Jesus siad , he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.

Jesus words shall not pass away

Jesus is Truth

Jesus said whosoever will may come and drink freely from the water of life

no time limits

no conditions

Jesus mercy is new every morning

Jesus is Love

Love hopes all things believes all things

endures all things

Love never fails

nothing is impossible to Jesus


Do you see why im so upset? its like I have been cheated out of my chance for being saved because I had the wrong idea of what salvation was and how to obtain it. I always thought I had to go up in front of the church or tell a pastor I needed to be saved otherwise it would not happen but now im finding out this is incorrect!


Do you believe in Jesus

yes


Have you asked Jesus to have mercy on you and forgive you and save you

you said yes

Have you come to Jesus

yes

Do you believe Jesus is the Saviour

yes

do you believe Jesus died for the sins of the world

yes

do you believe Jesus is our Redeemer

yes

We cannot fix ourselves

we come to Jesus and Jesus fixes and heals us

our righteousness is of Him, not ourselves

nothing is too hard for Jesus

who is not willing that any should perish


Jesus said verily verily I say unto you, he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.

Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.


Jesus said whosoever will may come and drink freely from the Water of Life

Jesus is Truth

Jesus Words will not pass away


But im finding all this out after the fact that the Holy Spirit stopped dealing with me so what good does it do for me now! all these things do is make me bitter now because I missed it. But at the end of the day I cant blame anyone else but myself.


Robert,

Jesus said to Peter flesh and blood has not revealed this to you , but My Father in heaven has.

You know that Jesus is Lord and Saviour because of Father God giving you to Jesus

It is impossible for the carnal mind to know this by flesh and blood


It is impossible for flesh and blood to want Jesus

want mercy

want forgiveness and salvation

want Jesus their Saviour

by their own carnal mind

Father God reveals to us that Jesus is Saviour and Lord


and that we need mercy and forgiveness

the Holy Spirit testifies to us of Jesus

and that we need forgiveness

The Holy Spirit takes the blinders off and reveals Truth to us


Robert no matter how much fear and brokeness

doubt or anything

nothing is impossible to Jesus our Saviour

who's mercy is new every morning

who has power to forgive sins

who's blood cleanses us from all unrighteousness

who saves to the uttermost

who is moved with compassion

who never fails

who is gentle and long suffering

who is kind and patient

who loves to heal the broken hearted and set at liberty the bruised

who loves to give us peace and rest

Who is our Good Shepherd

and Mighty Saviour

who says whosoever will may come and drink from the Water of Life freely

freely

freely

nothing in our hands to bring

empty handed

just come

and drink

and drink

and drink

freely

freely

freely

whosoever will

freely

freely

whosoever will

just come


blessings

annrobert
 
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This is going to be long but its worth a read so bear with me please.

First of all I would like to encourage you Humbleservant, I do not know you personally so I will not judge your heart but it sounds like to me you never fell into any deep rooted unrepentant sin the way that I did so that is a good thing. Also you are concerned about your relationship with the Lord, its not like you just fear going to hell, you have a genuine concern for being close to God, I see this as a good thing too.

Likely your issues truly are OCD related and are probably not spiritual issues at all. :)



Now for me on the other hand, im 36yr old married man. I was brought up in a church going home and even went to a christian school for 12yrs so my exposure to light is greater than a lot of people get, yet most people dont seem to understand how this makes my sins even that much worse. The unpardonable sin is committed by one who is exposed to a great amount of light and then walks away from it to continue down a spiral path of sin headed straight for hell. The book of Hebrews gives plenty of warnings concerning the upnardonable sin about walking away from the faith instead of pressing on to conversion.


Most people have a hard time seeing this as something that happened to me but I dont have a hard time with it at all, I think its exactly what happened to me.


You know whats really odd? Ever since I was a child and was just old enough to understand what the rapture was I have been terrified of being left behind. When I was around 12yrs of age I would go into panick if I could not find my parents in the house because I thought I was left behind. I used to cry myself to sleep wondering if when I woke up if they would still be there. I have never for some reason been able to see God as a God who loved me, I dont know if I was exposed to something at a young age or what but I can only see God as my judge instead of my heavinly father.


When I was a child I wanted to tell my parents about my fear of being left behind but its always like something was holding me back, I wanted to walk the aisle at church so many times and get saved but for some stupid reason I would just stand in place to afraid to move!


And now, to add insult to injury im finding out that I did not have to walk the aisle to get saved, all I had to do was just believe and ask God right there in my seat to save me and I would have been saved!!!


Do you see why im so upset? its like I have been cheated out of my chance for being saved because I had the wrong idea of what salvation was and how to obtain it. I always thought I had to go up in front of the church or tell a pastor I needed to be saved otherwise it would not happen but now im finding out this is incorrect!


But im finding all this out after the fact that the Holy Spirit stopped dealing with me so what good does it do for me now! all these things do is make me bitter now because I missed it. But at the end of the day I cant blame anyone else but myself.
You know Robert, cheating is a sin. In fact, cheating is a form of stealing and lying. God cannot do either. God never cheats on people. Ever. The reason the pharisees didn't get saved is because they didn't want to. If you want to, you can get saved. It's your choice. If you want, you can turn from your sin and ask Jesus to save you.
 
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Jesus will never cast out any one who comes to Him for any reason.


Romans 5:5
Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us

1 Corinthians 13:13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Jesus mentioned two groups of people

1. those who are not condemned

these people believed

2. those who are condemend

because they believed not



John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Hebrews 3
12Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

18And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


To those who want to believe

Jesus still answers


wanting to believe shows a little belief


Jesus answered this man.


24And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief



John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.


John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.


John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.



psalm 33

18Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;

22Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.

Jesus said verily verily I say unto you, he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.

Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.


Jesus said whosoever will may come and drink freely from the Water of Life


Robert ,

You clearly believe in Jesus

You have come and asked Jesus for mercy and forgiveness and salvation

You will in no wise be cast out.



 
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Well, I want to add a bit of current things going on in my head. I think I'm losing faith in God's existence. Seriously. Every time I go "My decision is to believe in God" I get thoughts saying I honestly, from the heart, don't believe in God. How do I believe in God and Jesus with all honesty?
 
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