Fnly, they killed String Theory!

[Jimmy D]

It was a gravitational signal observed on 17th August 2017 - see GW170817 - Wikipedia .

Cheers, I don't mind admitting that I had a bit of trouble with that article. I hate to ask, but how does that signal "disprove" string theory?

 

[Astrophile]

Cheers, I don't mind admitting that I had a bit of trouble with that article. I hate to ask, but how does that signal "disprove" string theory?

I don't know. String theory isn't my subject.

 

[Jimmy D]

I don't know. String theory isn't my subject.

Ah, ok cheers.

Maybe one of the good people celebrating String Theory's demise up above could explain it to me?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I wonder what they will do when they discover the interface between energy and spirit (I predict the mass suicide of scientists. )

What kind of energy did you have in mind?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Cheers, I don't mind admitting that I had a bit of trouble with that article. I hate to ask, but how does that signal "disprove" string theory?

AFAICS it doesn't. It suggests that some fairly popular models, that explain the relative weakness of gravity by its 'leaking' into other spatial dimensions, may be wrong.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What kind of energy did you have in mind?

The kind that everything is made of.

 

[joinfree]

The kind that everything is made of.

If there is a hidden dimension, then the objects in our (x,y,z) world can disappear from our world (due to fluctuations due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle), and so the energy conservation in our world is violated in the String Theory.

 

[sfs]

If there is a hidden dimension, then the objects in our (x,y,z) world can disappear from our world (due to fluctuations due to the Heizenberg uncertainty principle), and so the energy conservation in our world is violated in the String Theory.

No, hidden dimensions in string theory are compactified, and objects can't just wander into them. All objects already exist in all the dimensions -- it's just that all but 3+1 are effectively invisible.

 

[joinfree]

No, hidden dimensions in string theory are compactified, and objects can't just wander into them. All objects already exist in all the dimensions -- it's just that all but 3+1 are effectively invisible.

If we are so good in Science, why there are so many mysteries there? UFOes, Dark Matter, lack of antimatter in Big Bang? All our Universe with its (-infinity<x,y,z<infinity) coordinates can be put into zero value q=w=e=r=u=...=0 of hidden coordinates. Any escape from zero means, that we see our wife vanishing into Nothing.

 

[bhsmte]

If we are so good in Science, why there are so many mysteries there? UFOes, Dark Matter, lack of antimatter in Big Bang? All our Universe with its (-infinity<x,y,z<infinity) coordinates can be put into zero value q=w=e=r=u=...=0 of hidden coordinates. Any escape from zero means, that we see our wife vanishing into Nothing.

I would look at it more along the lines of; how much has science discovered in the last 100 years or so.

Using the old; if science doesn't know everything argument, is weak, real weak.

 

[Belk]

If there is a hidden dimension, then the objects in our (x,y,z) world can disappear from our world (due to fluctuations due to the Heizenberg uncertainty principle), and so the energy conservation in our world is violated in the String Theory.

Heisenberg. If you are going to misappropriate his theory the least you could do is spell his name correctly.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The kind that everything is made of.

Quantum field excitations then... sadly for the idea of spirit interaction, there's no room in quantum field theory for novel interactions that would be remotely significant in normal (e.g. human scale) regimes. The interaction landscape of those regimes has been thoroughly explored - there may well be undiscovered forces and/or particles, but their interactions must be either too weak or too short range to be significant at everyday scales, or they would have been detected - and they have not.

Of course, you could just dismiss QFT; but throwing out the most successful and best tested theory of all time without an equally effective or better alternative, would put a dent in any effort to claim spirit interaction with, as you so vaguely put it, 'energy'.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If there is a hidden dimension, then the objects in our (x,y,z) world can disappear from our world (due to fluctuations due to the Heizenberg uncertainty principle), and so the energy conservation in our world is violated in the String Theory.

No; that's sciency-sounding nonsense. As Pauli would say, it's "not even wrong".

 

[Tanj]

Any escape from zero means, that we see our wife vanishing into Nothing.

Is it biblicly sound to divorce a wife that vanished into Nothing?

 

[Ophiolite]

Ah, ok cheers.

Maybe one of the good people celebrating String Theory's demise up above could explain it to me?

I know even less about String Theory than I do about raising armadillos. (I know enough to have characterised it as mental masturbation for mathematicians. [That's string theory, not armadillo husbandry]). But I did find this comment online:

Gravitational waves, in general, present no problem to string theory. It's specifically gravitational waves in the CMBR that present a problem because of the limit they would impose on the inflation field. See this paper:http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/9606387v1.pdf.

The comment was found here. I found that using this search {gravity wave string theory conflict} on DuckDuckGo, where there may be further informative links.

 

[joinfree]

Heisenberg. If you are going to misappropriate his theory the least you could do is spell his name correctly.

Is he alive, so he could bit me up?

 

[joinfree]

No; that's sciency-sounding nonsense. As Pauli would say, it's "not even wrong".

If is written Voynich Manuscript and the author is dead, so he can not explain. One still can not say, that it is nonsense. Any nonsense must be proven nonsense. Until the opening discovery, it is a mystery.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Quantum field excitations then... sadly for the idea of spirit interaction, there's no room in quantum field theory for novel interactions that would be remotely significant in normal (e.g. human scale) regimes. The interaction landscape of those regimes has been thoroughly explored - there may well be undiscovered forces and/or particles, but their interactions must be either too weak or too short range to be significant at everyday scales, or they would have been detected - and they have not.

Of course, you could just dismiss QFT; but throwing out the most successful and best tested theory of all time without an equally effective or better alternative, would put a dent in any effort to claim spirit interaction with, as you so vaguely put it, 'energy'.

I'm not suggesting changing the science of what is observable. I'm suggesting the origin of what is observed is beyond the reach of science.

Hebrews 11:3
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen (observed) were not made of things which do appear (which are observable)."

This is the only logical explanation for the origin of matter and energy.

 

[Michael]

I know even less about String Theory than I do about raising armadillos. (I know enough to have characterised it as mental masturbation for mathematicians.

LOL!

 

[joinfree]

"Then said I, Wisdom is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16.