Flying Spaghetti Monster

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

Yeah, that's what I figured. Thank you

 

[ThinkForYourself]

I think life itself is frankly super-natural, I think God is so obvious that it can be blinding to people who rationalize away their heavenly creator by pretending to adhere only to mathematically, scientifically verifiable, cold logic.
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But which god? There are literally thousands, many have had, or do have, millions of adherents, all of whom believe as strongly as you.

You are an atheist to all those other gods, because you "pretend to adhere to only mathematically, scientifically, verifiable, cold logic".

Atheists just go one god further.

 

[Smidlee]

But which god? There are literally thousands, many have had, or do have, millions of adherents, all of whom believe as strongly as you.

You are an atheist to all those other gods, because you "pretend to adhere to only mathematically, scientifically, verifiable, cold logic".

Atheists just go one god further.

What happen to all those gods? Science destroyed those gods (nature gods) which gave hope to atheist it would destroy "the" God but instead God is using science to destroy atheist's world view making them to believe in Frankencell (the true FSM).

 

[ThinkForYourself]

What happen to all those gods? Science destroyed those gods (nature gods) which gave hope to atheist it would destroy "the" God but instead God is using science to destroy atheist's world view making them to believe in Frankencell (the true FSM).

God isn't destroying science. Quite the contrary. There is a saying on the internet: "The internet, where religions come to die."

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Yeah reason rules in cyberspace, and church rules in RW.

 

[Colter]

God isn't destroying science. Quite the contrary. There is a saying on the internet: "The internet, where religions come to die."

Science doesn't make Gods creation, it just observes it. And like religion, it's observations have often been wrong. Both religion and science are supposed to evolve.

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

What happen to all those gods? Science destroyed those gods (nature gods) which gave hope to atheist it would destroy "the" God but instead God is using science to destroy atheist's world view making them to believe in Frankencell (the true FSM).

"Making them to believe in Franken-cell?" Speculative. Show me that verse in the Bible. God is not a god of confusion. He desires everyone to come to the truth via their own path. Deliberate misleading is not God's style.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Yeah reason rules in cyberspace, and church rules in RW.

Prior to the internet, churches did rule. This is unsurprising as people were raised in religious lockstep with others in their community, never hearing a disparaging word, and highly unlikely to discover a disparaging word. If a young person questioned what they were told, whoever they talked to was going to tell them they were wrong. It was rare for someone to think for themselves, and reject their communities beliefs. That took a lot of guts.

Today, if a young person has questions about what they are told, they can research the facts in literally 10 minutes.

Considering every argument for the existence of the Christian God, and all gods, is thoroughly demolished by youtube series such as The Atheist Experience, and websites such as ironchariots.org, I don't think it will be many generations before belief in a god is considered equivalent to belief in Santa Claus.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Science doesn't make Gods creation, it just observes it. And like religion, it's observations have often been wrong. Both religion and science are supposed to evolve.

The difference is science evolves based on evidence related to the real world. Religion evolves based on putting butts in the seats for monetary gain.

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

Prior to the internet, churches did rule. This is unsurprising as people were raised in religious lockstep with others in their community, never hearing a disparaging word, and highly unlikely to discover a disparaging word. If a young person questioned what they were being told, whoever they talked to was going to tell them they were wrong. It was rare for someone to think for themselves.

Today, if a young person has questions about what they are told, they can research the facts in literally 10 minutes.

Considering every argument for the existence of the Christian God, and all gods, is thoroughly demolished by youtube videos such as The Atheist Experience, and websites such as ironchariots.org, I don't think it will be many generations before belief in a god is considered equivalent to belief in Santa Claus.

Reeeeeely....? The book has been around since around 1400 BC. It's been disputed and argued over for centuries by many philosophers. Armies have abolished it, destroyed it, obliterated nations for believing it...but it's still #1 best-seller today. Isn't that weird? Atheism isn't some "new awakening"...arguably, the first atheist was Cain in the book of Genesis.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

"Making them to believe in Franken-cell?" Speculative. Show me that verse in the Bible. God is not a god of confusion. He desires everyone to come to the truth via their own path. Deliberate misleading is not God's style.

I believe there are thousands of different denominations of Christianity, all with differing beliefs. That is the definition of confusion.

 

[Chany]

Reeeeeely....? The book has been around since around 1400 BC. It's been disputed and argued over for centuries by many philosophers. Armies have abolished it, destroyed it, obliterated nations for believing it...but it's still #1 best-seller today. Isn't that weird? Atheism isn't some "new awakening"...arguably, the first atheist was Cain in the book of Genesis.

It's the number one book because Christianity is the world's largest religion. It is the world's largest religion because the countries that believed in it (European nations) managed to gain the political/social/economic power over most of the world. Also, I don't know how things like printing presses and technological advances related to book making were done in non-European countries, but it seems like Europe was ahead of the game. If Islam and the Middle Eastern countries managed to do what Europe did both politically and technologically, the best selling book would be the Quran.

No divine providence necessary.

Atheism is new for most placea, in terms of being a socially acceptable position to hold. We don't know how many atheists there actually were in the past because, in most cases, doing so would, at best, have you shunned. At worst, you were killed.

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

I believe there are thousands of different denominations of Christianity, all with differing beliefs. That is the definition of confusion.

Satanic viewpoints can account for that. Well-intentioned but incorrect teaching of scripture occurs in thousands of churches all over the world. The Bible never changes...the teaching and interpretation of it does.

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

It's the number one book because Christianity is the world's largest religion. It is the world's largest religion because the countries that believed in it (European nations) managed to gain the political/social/economic power over most of the world. Also, I don't know how things like printing presses and technological advances related to book making were done in non-European countries, but it seems like Europe was ahead of the game. If Islam and the Middle Eastern countries managed to do what Europe did both politically and technologically, the best selling book would be the Quran.

No divine providence necessary.

Atheism is new for most placea, in terms of being a socially acceptable position to hold. We don't know how many atheists there actually were in the past because, in most cases, doing so would, at best, have you shunned. At worst, you were killed.

I'll bet there are a lot of Christian martyrs who would disagree with you if they could speak...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you mean to say that Christianity is only as big as it is because long ago, we (the "majority" however you slice it) were forced into subscribing to it under penalty of death, and it's just....stuck since then? Hmmm...

 

[Davian]

I'll bet there are a lot of Christian martyrs who would disagree with you if they could speak...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you mean to say that Christianity is only as big as it is because long ago, we (the "majority" however you slice it) were forced into subscribing to it under penalty of death, and it's just....stuck since then? Hmmm...

Punish, vilify, and kill the unbelievers, make promises that cannot be falsified (because they are unfalsifiable), and enforce and spread the word at the point of a sword.

The makings of a successful religion.

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

Punish, vilify, and kill the unbelievers, make promises that cannot be falsified (because they are unfalsifiable), and enforce and spread the word at the point of a sword.

Punish, vilify, and kill the unbelievers. Show me those verses. In that context. What do you think? You've never had to fight for something you believe in? The Jewish people have been utterly and hopelessly attacked over, and over, and over, and over again through history...what would YOU do? I don't know you, but my guess is that you wouldn't say "Oh...well, let's just believe what everyone else does because we don't want to have to fight them..." If you don't think war is necessary, then maybe you wouldn't mind ISIS coming here and cutting all our freakin' heads off, right? Why fight them? It's WRONG.

But no...Christians are always the evil, nation-destroying, totalitarians...this viewpoint is actually discussed in the Bible...

 

[Davian]

Punish, vilify, and kill the unbelievers. Show me those verses. In that context. What do you think?

KJV Psalm 14

"1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

What I think is that this was simply the efforts of the bible writers, working with the knowledge of failed religions before them, of adding to the bible the material for believers and preachers to work with, when dealing with the inevitable doubts that arise when pushing beliefs that that lack evidence.

In reality, I do not say "there is no God/gods", but that has not stopped many of my fellow members of trying to whap me on the nose with this, which suggests that they believe it to be true.

You've never had to fight for something you believe in? The Jewish people have been utterly and hopelessly attacked over, and over, and over, and over again through history...what would YOU do? I don't know you, but my guess is that you wouldn't say "Oh...well, let's just believe what everyone else does because we don't want to have to fight them..." If you don't think war is necessary, then maybe you wouldn't mind ISIS coming here and cutting all our freakin' heads off, right? Why fight them? It's WRONG.

Historically, it has seemed "right" to the ones doing the conquering. Crusades, anyone?

But no...Christians are always the evil, nation-destroying, totalitarians...this viewpoint is actually discussed in the Bible...

No, I was referring to successful religions in general. No need to pull the victim card.

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

KJV Psalm 14

"1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

So? How does that equate to "punish, vilify, and kill them?" These verses explain that is impossible to be perfect. Nothing more. But I will research further.

What I think is that this was simply the efforts of the bible writers, working with the knowledge of failed religions before them,

Which ones...?

of adding to the bible the material for believers and preachers to work with, when dealing with the inevitable doubts that arise when pushing beliefs that that lack evidence.

Yes, that's where you get all your non-canonical "Apocrypha" books such as the book of Jubilees and Tobit. Those have no business being in the Bible as they are of dubious origin. And frankly, some versions of the Bible just plain suck, as they are poorly translated due to limited availability of source material...yeah, those crusades you're talking about down there?

In reality, I do not say "there is no God/gods", but that has not stopped many of my fellow members of trying to whap me on the nose with this, which suggests that they believe it to be true.

That's not the fault of Bible doctrine. We need to be tolerant of others regardless of their beliefs. Religious people can't grok this concept for the life of them, and I fully sympathize with you. Everything turns into a p***ing match.

Historically, it has seemed "right" to the ones doing the conquering. Crusades, anyone?

If refusing to live a life of slavery is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

No, I was referring to successful religions in general. No need to pull the victim card.

Oh, like Catholicism? Yeah, you got me there...

 

[Colter]

The difference is science evolves based on evidence related to the real world. Religion evolves based on putting butts in the seats for monetary gain.

Salvation is free, and scientific egos aren't always about altruism.

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

Salvation is free, and scientific egos rang always about altruism.

A good BS detector: any church that tells you to tithe is teaching a completely false doctrine.