Florida judge exonerates Miami teacher fired for refusing to use student’s preferred pronouns

[Ana the Ist]

Not really...

That's what you just said.

The accommodation in this case was the school apparently allowed students to be called by preferred pronouns if they wished

That's controlling speech.

 

[A2SG]

That's what you just said.


That's controlling speech.

It really isn't....no more than allowing Charles to be called Chuck is.

But the judge ruled that it is, so it is.

For those of the preferred faith, anyway. The rest of us just have to live with whatever the preferred faith says.

-- A2SG, at least, in Florida......

 

[Ana the Ist]

It really isn't....

It is...stop conflating two unlike things.

no more than allowing Charles to be called Chuck is.

This is your pathetic attempt at conflating. Calling someone "Chuck" doesn't require altering all of English grammar.

 

[A2SG]

It is...stop conflating two unlike things.

I didn't. I was referring to the idea that accommodations for pronoun use constitutes "controlling speech."

But you forgot that I also admitted that the judge ruled it is...so it is. In Florida, anyway. So mote it be.

This is your pathetic attempt at conflating. Calling someone "Chuck" doesn't require altering all of English grammar.

Neither does using a student's preferred pronouns.

But using a preferred pronoun is easily comparable to using a preferred name.

-- A2SG, no matter how you mischaracterize it.....you're good at doing that.....

 

[Ana the Ist]

I didn't. I was referring to the idea that accommodations for pronoun use constitutes "controlling speech."

It's controlling speech.

Neither does using a student's preferred pronouns.

It does...ze/zir aren't real words.

 

[A2SG]

It's controlling speech.

Yeah, I read the judge's ruling too.

It still isn't....but that's how he ruled, so mote it be.

It does...ze/zir aren't real words.

I don't recall ever saying they were.

Though, to be fair, words are added to the language all the time, so they might become real words someday. Who knows? But either way, whether they're added to the language or not, the language will adapt.

That's how language works.

I don't see why this worries you, though. Just so long as you abide by the rules of the preferred faith, as determined by Judge Van Laningham, which you do, you'll be fine.

Grammar will stay just the way the preferred faith decides it should.

-- A2SG, if it knows what's good fer it.....

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yeah

Glad we agree.

I don't recall ever saying they were.

Then it's not remotely similar to a nickname.

Thanks for playing.

 

[A2SG]

Glad we agree.

That the judge ruled the way he did? Sure.

I never disputed that.

Then it's not remotely similar to a nickname.

Sure it is. One pronoun is preferred over another, one name is preferred over another. Very similar. Easily comparable.

One isn't allowed, per the preferred faith as determined by Judge Van Laningham, one is.

Well, for now. You'll have to keep me informed if he rules on the nickname issue.

Thanks for playing.

Well, at least you're finally admitting you're just playing a game.

-- A2SG, been aware of that for some time now....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Glad we agree.




Then it's not remotely similar to a nickname.

Thanks for playing.

I'm enjoying your well put and reasoned arguments. You have far more patience and tolerance than I do. Great job!

 

[Ana the Ist]

That the judge ruled the way he did?

That the student has no right to control the speech of the teacher.

Sure it is. One pronoun is preferred over another, one name is preferred over another.

Pronouns-any of a small set of words (such as I, she, he, you, it, we, or they) in a language that are used as substitutes for nouns or noun phrases and whose referents are named or understood in the context

Name-word or phrase that constitutes the distinctive designation of a person or thing

They may both refer to someone, but names are distinctive, pronouns are not....no matter how hard trans people want them to be.

Well, at least you're finally admitting you're just playing a game.

One of us is....there's a reason why you have to keep referring nicknames as if they have anything to do with this case. They don't. In fact, the teacher may be using nicknames for multiple students in her various classes. This doesn't require belief in magical non-existent genders nor any reimagining of the English language for made up pronouns.

Without this pathetic attempt at conflating pronouns and nicknames....you're done. You've got nothing left.

This isn't about nicknames. They aren't part of the case. Stick to the topic.

 

[Lukaris]

Where does this end? If a student insists on a Martian identity, is a teacher being religious for insisting on an earth identity only?

I am speaking in generality indirectly to the immediate topic.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Where does this end?

For the trans activists that genuinely believe in the ideology...

1. In the complete dissolution of the nuclear family.

2. The normalization of all sexual preferences and identities including things like pederasty and beastiality.

 

[BCP1928]

Where does this end? If a student insists on a Martian identity, is a teacher being religious for insisting on an earth identity only?

I am speaking in generality indirectly to the immediate topic.

No, because a "martian" identity would not directly challenge traditional views on human sexuality and gender conformity. Nothing to do with sex at all, really, so nothing to do with conservative religion--which seems to be about nothing else.

 

[civilwarbuff]

No, because a "martian" identity would not directly challenge traditional views on human sexuality and gender conformity. Nothing to do with sex at all, really, so nothing to do with conservative religion--which seems to be about nothing else.

Unlike liberal theology that is accepting and accommodating of every sexual perversion trotted out into the public purview. Why not just stick to the topic as posted? There is plenty of opportunity for you to get embarrassed there.

 

[BCP1928]

Unlike liberal theology that is accepting and accommodating of every sexual perversion trotted out into the public purview. Why not just stick to the topic as posted?

I don't know. It was Lukaris who asked the question.

There is plenty of opportunity for you to get embarrassed there.

You mean it's not about sex?

 

[A2SG]

That the student has no right to control the speech of the teacher.

Yeah, I read the report. We all know that her faith is sacrosanct. Everyone else: back of the bus, you!

Pronouns-any of a small set of words (such as I, she, he, you, it, we, or they) in a language that are used as substitutes for nouns or noun phrases and whose referents are named or understood in the context

Name-word or phrase that constitutes the distinctive designation of a person or thing

They may both refer to someone, but names are distinctive, pronouns are not....no matter how hard trans people want them to be.

I know what a pronoun is, thanks.

Doesn't negate my comparison, though.

One of us is....there's a reason why you have to keep referring nicknames as if they have anything to do with this case.

I use the comparison of preferred pronouns to nicknames because it's apt.

They don't. In fact, the teacher may be using nicknames for multiple students in her various classes. This doesn't require belief in magical non-existent genders nor any reimagining of the English language for made up pronouns.

Neither does using a student's preferred pronoun.

In this case, of course, the teacher wasn't expected to make up any words or "non-existent genders" at all. The student asked to be referred to by an existing male pronoun, nothing made up or contrary to current grammar usage. Not that grammar was given as the reason for her objection, though, that's something you added.

Without this pathetic attempt at conflating pronouns and nicknames....you're done.

I never conflated the two. I compared them.

There is a difference, you know.

You've got nothing left.

Yeah, you always say that when you're unable to counter my arguments.

This isn't about nicknames. They aren't part of the case. Stick to the topic.

Yeah, I probably should stop bringing up comparable situations, since they seem to utterly confuse you.

-- A2SG, not that I'm gonna.....

 

[A2SG]

For the trans activists that genuinely believe in the ideology...

1. In the complete dissolution of the nuclear family.

2. The normalization of all sexual preferences and identities including things like pederasty and inappropriate behavior with animals.

Oops....you forgot to include citations where you quote actual people who have specifically advocated for exactly those things.

Otherwise, people might come to the conclusion you just made that stuff up. And we can't have that, can we?

-- A2SG, awaiting your citation.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

You mean it's not about sex?

When it comes to liberal theology it most certainly is.

 

[rjs330]

You mean it's not about sex?

It depends on which meaning of sex you are referring to. In THIS topic it's about biological sex and not the act of sex. Where you referring to biological sex as a gender or were you referring to sex as in intercourse?