Fleeing to Mars not of God

[David Lamb]

Yes, it is exhausting. So many US Christians have so little knowledge about what the Bible even is, what it is composed of, how it came to be, what does it really say, whom it was written to, when etc.

I think it is unfair to say that so many US Christians have so little knowledge about what the Bible even is, because they disagree with your opinion that "for example, Genesis 1 is a mythological drama."

 

[trophy33]

I think it is unfair to say that so many US Christians have so little knowledge about what the Bible even is, because they disagree with your opinion that "for example, Genesis 1 is a mythological drama."

It is fair, because my statement "so many US Christians" is not based upon this one example, but upon the years on this forum, YEC organizations, SDA movement and other sources. It all comes from the USA, interestingly.

 

[David Lamb]

As I expected, you are not even reading the Genesis 1 text properly. One can claim it is literal only when he is a flat earther or when he does not understand what the text says.

Well, I am certainly not a flat earther, and I believe Genesis 1. That chapter does not mention the shape of the earth.

 

[trophy33]

Well, I am certainly not a flat earther, and I believe Genesis 1. That chapter does not mention the shape of the earth.

No, you do not believe Genesis 1, you just do not understand what it says, you read it with your modern ideas in your mind and try to insert them into the text.

 

[partinobodycular]

I never expressed an opinion on the papacy.

So you don't have a problem with the fact that the book that you hold in such high regard is largely the product of the antichrist himself.

Interesting.

 

[David Lamb]

It is fair, because my statement "so many US Christians" is not based upon this one example, but upon the years on this forum, YEC organizations, SDA movement and other sources. It all comes from the USA, interestingly.

What I mean is that it is unfair to say as you seem to do, "My view is that Genesis 1 is a mythological drama, and anybody who disagrees doesn't understand what the bible is."

 

[trophy33]

I can see why you are vague.

First you warn me that this is off topic and then you complain I am vague... oh mine. Decide what you want.

 

[trophy33]

What I mean is that it is unfair to say as you seem to do, "My view is that Genesis 1 is a mythological drama, and anybody who disagrees doesn't understand what the bible is."

Which is not what I said. But misreading of Genesis 1 is certainly a part and a sign of it.

 

[partinobodycular]

Horse, meet cart. He only cursed the land after we sinned.

So you admit it... it was God who cursed the earth. The only role that sin played was that it made God mad. It's like blaming the battered wife for her own beating.

 

[truthpls]

So you don't have a problem with the fact that the book that you hold in such high regard is largely the product of the antichrist himself.

Interesting.

Not having mentioned the pope does not mean all you pretend it does actually

 

[truthpls]

First you warn me that this is off topic and then you complain I am vague... oh mine. Decide what you want.

Bring it

 

[truthpls]

So you admit it... it was God who cursed the earth.

For our sake. He also will remove the curse. The curse was not the original way things were.

The only role that sin played was that it made God mad. It's like blaming the battered wife for her own beating.

Nothing like that. It grew us up the way we demanded, the hard way. It was Jesus that took the beating for us by the way.

 

[partinobodycular]

Not having mentioned the pope does not mean all you pretend it does actually

Let me clarify for you then. Isaac Newton believed that the very Church that facilitated the writing of your precious version of the bible, was in fact the antichrist. And you're fine with that.

Interesting.

So you admit it... it was God who cursed the earth.

For our sake.

Ah, the old battered wife excuse again, she made him beat her. Adam and Eve made God curse the very ground that they walked on.

 

[trophy33]

Bring it

What do you know about the book of Genesis, the culture of the people, the textual variants, the cosmology of the time, the symbolism of the time? Do you know who wrote it, when, for whom and most importantly, why?

 

[stevevw]

Naturally, people that do not either know or want the answer will look elsewhere for what they think might be the answer. In this case, fleeing the planet.

Yes and also that Mars, planets, stars and the sky becomes gods when we reject the one true God of the universe. THis has been a repreated phenomena throughout history.

It is also funny that Israel and the US have used the weapons for 'defence' to bomb and kill people almost daily for many years now. How would weapons in space suddenly be pure and only for defence? It seems to me that 'defence' is just a useless word to dress up war and murder

The whole idea that we need defense is the problem in a fallen world. Theres a deep religious and belief divide going back a long way that is coming out in modern ways. But its not too dissimilar to the Isrealites and the pagan nations at war. Or Cain and Abel.

It is only by being unified under Christ. But Christs truth and authority has been lost to all the politics and culture wars. So many are deaf and blind and no amount of reasoning or truth will change that. A bit like in Noahs time when people could not see the coming judgement.

I would not even blame it all on the 'elites' The heart of man is sinful. That is where wars come from. You are correct, there is no running from God or what is to come.

In a way its an inevitable confrontation of good verses evil. All the stories of good triumphing over evil from our lived history are in what we are heading for. We all knew it all along that this was really a spiritual battle and what we see now with the physical conflicts and divisions is the symptoms. The signs are becoming to a head as its no longer a local concern but a global one. Who will save us from this inevitable scenario.

 

[David Lamb]

Which is not what I said. But misreading of Genesis 1 is certainly a part and a sign of it.

I am sorry if I misunderstood what you wrote. You certainly did write, "Genesis 1 is a mythological drama." You also seemed to say, and forgive me if I am mistaken, that anybody who doesn't agree with you that it's a mythological drama doesn't understand Genesis 1. If you didn't mean that, what did you mean?

 

[d taylor]

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This thread (and others) just shows, "science the great contemporary fruit". It really has been able to draw people (even believers) away from Biblical creation truth.

 

[David Lamb]

Let me clarify for you then. Isaac Newton believed that the very Church that facilitated the writing of your precious version of the bible, was in fact the antichrist. And you're fine with that.

Interesting.

Which version of the bible, and which church facilitated its writing? I think you need to clarify a little more, or post the actual quote from Isaac Newton.

 

[trophy33]

I am sorry if I misunderstood what you wrote. You certainly did write, "Genesis 1 is a mythological drama." You also seemed to say, and forgive me if I am mistaken, that anybody who doesn't agree with you that it's a mythological drama doesn't understand Genesis 1. If you didn't mean that, what did you mean?

I meant that many US Christians has little to no knowledge about the texts they are reading in the Bible. Believing that Genesis 1 is a literal history is a part, a sign of this broader ignorance. It is not about agreeing or disagreeing with me, I did not invent anything new or original about Genesis.

 

[truthpls]

Let me clarify for you then. Isaac Newton believed that the very Church that facilitated the writing of your precious version of the bible, was in fact the antichrist. And you're fine with that.

Interesting.

If he did think that, I am sure he had some reasons. Many today think the same thing. Personally I do not think that some decrepit old man in a supposedly Christian organization will be the man that has all the world worship him and Satan. Your attempt to divide and conquer failed.
Looking at what some of what Newt believed, I agree with him on a lot.

"Newton also believed that a general apostasy from Christ’s doctrines occurred early on in the history of the Christian church, and he wrote that a restoration of the Lord’s church would come at some future time."

“The first Principles of the Christian religion are founded, not on disputable conclusions, opinions, or conjectures, or on human sanctions, but on the express words of Christ and his Apostles; and we are to hold fast the form of sound words"

A Brief Survey of Sir Isaac Newton's Views on Religion | Religious Studies Center

rsc.byu.edu

If he noticed that the papacy was not doing that (The first Principles of the Christian religion are founded, not on disputable conclusions, opinions, or conjectures, or on human sanctions, but on the express words of Christ) he had a point!

Ah, the old battered wife excuse again, she made him beat her. Adam and Eve made God curse the very ground that they walked on.

Yes, their choice had consequences. The consequence was also that He would have to die for man to make a way to be saved and restored. In other words man took the long way home. Either way we were to get home.