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I know this was posted in Ethics & Morality, but it will hit a natural "glass ceiling" long before it ever hits an ethical one.
Even if we could somehow terraform Mars, it will never have the gravity, atmospheric pressure & radiation shielding necessary to support terrestrial life.
They do not need to know. What we know is that they want to flee the earth. Basically salvation from doom by fleeing. That is not honoring ScriptureI'm not questioning the fact of Jesus' return.
I'm asking how you know that Elon Musk, or anybody, plans to go to Mars solely because they want to escape future judgment.
Whatever they claim to believe in or not doesn't matter. The thread was about the ethics and morality of such an endeavour.If they don't believe in God, it's unlikely they will believe in future judgement.
There are no other kinds.Besides, most non-Christians I come across do not think they are sinners.
That's another story. Perhaps if there were a thread on Christians that deny Scripture and what Jesus said I might focus on itThey haven't committed "big" sins and try to do good and believe that is enough to get them to heaven. Any idea of a God who judges them and sends them to hell is met with denial.
Of course I do not do that. He is KIng of KIngs, and ruler of all universes, all powers etc. Just because He did not want sinful man stinking up the solar system, and using great treasure better spent elsewhere on doing so, does not mean He and believers will not travel. One example is the 1500 mile high, long and wide golden city comes from space. It then does not land right away on the planet, so all coming and going to an from earth must happen. God has super science. It won't be in little polluting tin can rockets that we travel. Nor will our commutes hurt the earth, on the contrary Jesus (also using us) will be ruling and there will be a clean world with peace and plenty. The idea of man doing it all himself without God is less than laughable.Regarding the Second Coming, it seems to lack faith to limit Christ's role to this planet only.
Jesus is the door and the only one, the only way. Man's chicken little attempts to flee earth are not the way.He was, after all, the one through whom all things were made. The experience of His return will be felt on both sides of the planet at the same time by the Christians that survive the tribulation. It does not matter where you are in the Universe to know when Christ returns. I see this more as a reopening of the door between heaven and Earth and Christ passing through.
No, floating garbage is not a good thing. Thankfully God will clean all that up.In the context of your not wanting f humans in space, the orbital detritus should be a positive thing as it makes venturing to orbit more difficult and is only a threat to those vile sinners who step off of earth.
I try to think positive thoughts that are in orbit around the word of God if possible, as a rule. If others propose lost in space, out of the orbit of God ideas, why would I spend too much time meditating on dark fantasy?Here you display a complete inability to imagine what someone else might think. Do you claimed not to believe in Odin?
Telling the truth, and then explaining why it is true is actually a good thing. For example in pointing out that the prophesy only fits Jesus and could never fit anyone else. If you claim it could, then show us! Name a few men that were God that got here coming being born to a virgin?No you didn't. Just proclaiming a thing a thing is ridiculously bad logic.
How? All it does is make something you don’t want to take place more difficult to accomplish.No, floating garbage is not a good thing.
You could say that garbage piled in the street the whole distance to a grocery store where an old lady had to walk a mile to shop was a good thing. If you did not want her going to the store. You could say that a lake being filled with toxic waste and on fire was a good thing if you did not want fishing in the lake..etc. Sorry, I do not agree that tons of orbiting junk is a good thing. We can agree to disagree.How? All it does is make something you don’t want to take place more difficult to accomplish.
For what reason? It does not pollute any of the terrestrial environments you say humans are not to leave, there no wild life in orbit having their habitat disrupted by it, it’s an active threat to something you class as a wmd and it makes going into orbit more difficult. The only things it causes an issue with is things you’re saying should not be taking place why then the kvetching? I would think Kessler syndrome would be a good outcome.Sorry, I do not agree that tons of orbiting junk is a good thing.
How do you know they want to flee it - i.e. escape to Mars to live - and they're not just interested in life on other planets, or being the first to reach another planet?What we know is that they want to flee the earth.
Because I try to have some respect for His creation. Why would we love 128 million pieces of junk floating around?For what reason?
I consider all those satellite 'constellations' pollution.It does not pollute any of the terrestrial environments you say humans are not to leave,
Some experts think otherwisethere no wild life in orbit having their habitat disrupted by it,
They are already used in the military and wars depend on them. Unless you think China, Russia, the USA and other nations are all Polyanna perfect truthful and trustworthy there is also danger of weapons being in space. No, we can't prove it, but we could ask have any of these nations lied before?it’s an active threat to something you class as a wmd and it makes going into orbit more difficult.
You were just shown wrong. So not only is the chicken little syndrome neglectful of the needs of mankind, and a colossal anti Scriptural waste of resources, I guess we can add a sky pollution as well.The only things it causes an issue with is things you’re saying should not be taking place why then the kvetching? I would think Kessler syndrome would be a good outcome.
Because the theme of the players wishing to flee involves some sort of doomsday on earth. I posted some quotes earlier in the thread. Also, one of them talked about a settlement of a million people on Mars! Hardly just some benign little schoolboy wish to be the first to go there.How do you know they want to flee it - i.e. escape to Mars to live - and they're not just interested in life on other planets, or being the first to reach another planet?
The most common scenario that is brought up is a planet killer asteroid, Christian eschatology isn’t on the list regardless of your insistence.Because the theme of the players wishing to flee involves some sort of doomsday on earth.
Same sort of thing. Fear and lack of trust that God is in control. Just another doomsday scenario.The most common scenario that is brought up is a planet killer asteroid,
I never said Scripture (in the way of obeying it rather than disobeying it as fast and as much as possible) was on the list of the players involved in the Chicken Little games.Christian eschatology isn’t on the list regardless of your insistence.
Because I try to have some respect for His creation. Why would we love 128 million pieces of junk floating around?
I consider all those satellite 'constellations' pollution.
They are already used in the military and wars depend on them.
Only if you lump in unrelated activities in space. Zero space junk or satellites have been placed into orbit in pursuit of creating a secondary off world human population as no mission has been undertaken to establish one.You were just shown wrong. So not only is the chicken little syndrome neglectful of the needs of mankind, and a colossal anti Scriptural waste of resources, I guess we can add a sky pollution as well.
Same sort of thing. Fear and lack of trust that God is in control. Just another doomsday scenario.
You have posted more than once that any dooms day scenario is really a reference to your deity destroying the current earth.I never said Scripture (in the way of obeying it rather than disobeying it as fast and as much as possible) was on the list of the players involved in the Chicken Little games.
No, all part of the problem. Fruits of the chicken little tree.And the goal post takes flight.
If your goal was to damage things maybe. How about stop putting the damaging stuff up there to begin with?This would make space junk a positive as satellites are liable to be damaged or disabled by it.
Are there any? I suspect that the spiritual inspiration for the push to get man in space is demonic in nature. If so, that would mean that the various aspects of the race to space had a commonality.Only if you lump in unrelated activities in space.
The quest to eventually get off world involved a lot of things over time. Including loss of lives. Failed launches. debris etc etcZero space junk or satellites have been placed into orbit in pursuit of creating a secondary off world human population as no mission has been undertaken to establish one.
No, all part of the problem. Fruits of the chicken little tree.
If your goal was to damage things maybe. How about stop putting the damaging stuff up there to begin with?
Are there any?
The quest to eventually get off world involved a lot of things over time. Including loss of lives. Failed launches. debris etc etc
Looking at the history of Nasa, it seems that it may be melding into the Chicken Little vision-quest.You were quoting things using the accepted definition of space junk then applied your own that includes all artificial satellites. Hence the goal post shifting to fit your needs.
That is one aspect of space junk danger. It is a bit like having a plethora of flies buzzing around your house. Is that a good thing?The risk is from currently existing space junk to currently existing satellites.
I am realistic. No proper clean up of earth (including possibly some nuclear war contamination by then) will take place until Jesus returns to make things right.As it seems you would like the satellites gone you should be cheering on the space junk and hoping for Kessler syndrome.
They say a million died in the Ukraine war as well. Does that justify more deaths elsewhere?Yes.
More people were killed last month in construction site accidents, in the US alone, than have died from space related endeavors since there was such a things. Should we stop the construction industry too?
None of that has any thing to do with what I asked. Well done.I try to think positive thoughts that are in orbit around the word of God if possible, as a rule. If others propose lost in space, out of the orbit of God ideas, why would I spend too much time meditating on dark fantasy?
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