Fleeing to Mars not of God

truthpls · Apr 9, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
Why would I think verse 15 is about Jesus? (I don't think 13 or 14 are about him either.)

OK, so you don't contest the prophesy.

Hans Blaster said:
A regular child would.

Bingo. Since Jesus was God and not a regular child, it should be easy to see it doesn't fit

Hans Blaster said:
It's "curds" not butter, and apparently it was a food for small children.

So that doesn't tell us much. Nothing in there to tell us the verse is about Jesus.

Hans Blaster said:
Sure it does if it is about ...

Yet you made no case to have verse 15 fit Jesus. Nor has anyone else. Once again, much ado about nothing

Hans Blaster said:
Bingo. The whole thing from verse 13-16 is about a young woman at court having a child and something else happening why that child is still small.

No. A virgin having a God Fathered baby as the sign from God is what it is about.

Hans Blaster · Apr 9, 2025

truthpls said:
OK, so you don't contest the prophesy.

verses 13-16 contain a claimed prophesy issued in the court of king Ahaz about what would happen in the next few years. I have no way of knowning if the text was recorded before or after the foretold events happened.

truthpls said:
Bingo. Since Jesus was God and not a regular child, it should be easy to see it doesn't fit

So that doesn't tell us much. Nothing in there to tell us the verse is about Jesus.

Yet you made no case to have verse 15 fit Jesus. Nor has anyone else. Once again, much ado about nothing

No. A virgin having a God Fathered baby as the sign from God is what it is about.

truthpls · Apr 10, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
verses 13-16 contain a claimed prophesy issued in the court of king Ahaz about what would happen in the next few years. I have no way of knowning if the text was recorded before or after the foretold events happened.

Except the only verses dealing with Jesus I see are the prophesies in verse 13-14. That is what the New Testament quotes as well. Like special gems in the middle of a chapter that foretell wondrous things that came true. It is insulting to see someone try to tack on another verse that is not part of the prophesy to try to make it look wrong.

Larniavc · Apr 10, 2025

truthpls said:
There is no ethics or morality without the Christian perspective as much as you might like to squash or make it go away. There is a word for ethics without God - wickedness.

I disagree and it worries me when a person is unable to see goodness if it does not have the correct label.

Larniavc · Apr 10, 2025

truthpls said:
Yes of course really.

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Worship is when we give our deepest affection and highest praise to something. True worship of God is when we love Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. It’s when we prize God above everything else and put Him first in our hearts."

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Yeah, all that but;

The Hebrew word used is "shachah" (שְׁחָה) that means "to bow down" or "to prostrate oneself," signifying reverence and submission.

I don’t do that to anything. So there’s that.

Jermayn · Apr 10, 2025

truthpls said:
“If there’s something terrible that happens on Earth, either made by humans or natural, we want to have, like, life insurance for life as a whole,” Musk said in 2020. He wants to turn the planet into a self-sustaining colony, and he reportedly told SpaceX staffers last year he envisions one million people living on Mars by the 2040s.

Elon Musk Says He Wants To Send Humans To Mars As Soon As 2029

Musk—who has a history of setting unrealized goals for his companies—says he wants to send humans to Mars by 2029, though he says 2031 may be more likely.

www.forbes.com

The bible tells us Jesus is returning to earth to rule. There is no escape. Wasting trillions trying to avoid the fate of man on earth is in my opinion a waste and not of God at all.

Thoughts?

I personally don't think it would ever happen even if Jesus' return wasn't for another 10,000 years. Maybe a few people on the Moon, kind of like how people spend months on the ISS. The challenges of doing that on Mars are, in my opinion, insurmountable. So, to answer your question, yes, I believe it's a waste of money and not God's will for humanity.

RDKirk · Apr 10, 2025

Gregory Thompson said:
The current way things are done, it will never happen. However, a lot of empires are on the brink of collapse. So new ones might just rise up and do things differently. 200 years is a long time. Not to God mind you, but long enough to get something done.

If new empires arise, I'd hope they would see the need to improve life on earth rather than build tourist traps on Mars.

Hans Blaster · Apr 10, 2025

truthpls said:
Except the only verses dealing with Jesus I see are the prophesies in verse 13-14. That is what the New Testament quotes as well. Like special gems in the middle of a chapter that foretell wondrous things that came true. It is insulting to see someone try to tack on another verse that is not part of the prophesy to try to make it look wrong.

The text offers no evidence that the author wrote any thing about Jesus.

Scoutship · Apr 10, 2025

Tinker Grey said:
He lied about scientists worshiping the universe.

Nah mate, the universe is their 'god', and always has been ever since the sickening 'Space race' when the US and Russia tried to outdo each other by giving 'offerings' to it like big cash and animal sacrifices (many animals died up there, for example google 'Russian dog Laika')

Desk trauma · Apr 10, 2025

Scoutship said:
Nah mate, the universe is their 'god', and always has been ever since the sickening 'Space race' when the US and Russia tried to outdo each other by giving 'offerings' to it like big cash and animal sacrifices (many animals died up there, for example google 'Russian dog Laika')

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Are all animals used for research victims of sinister sacrifices to other gods or just those used for space exploration research?

Scoutship · Apr 10, 2025

Desk trauma said:
Are all animals used for research victims of sinister sacrifices to other gods or just those used for space exploration research?

Ah, but launching animals into space served no useful purpose, and was done just for US and Russian national pride, prestige and vanity..

Hans Blaster · Apr 10, 2025

Scoutship said:
Nah mate, the universe is their 'god', and always has been ever since the sickening 'Space race' when the US and Russia tried to outdo each other by giving 'offerings' to it like big cash and animal sacrifices (many animals died up there, for example google 'Russian dog Laika')

Most of the people who ran the space race in the US were Christians, as were about 90% of the population at the time.

I have no interest in viewing the universe as a god. What use would I have for a god?

Desk trauma · Apr 10, 2025

Scoutship said:
Ah, but launching animals into space served no useful purpose, and was done just for US and Russian national pride, prestige and vanity..

As you didn’t answer here’s the question again:

Desk trauma said:
Are all animals used for research victims of sinister sacrifices to other gods or just those used for space exploration research?

partinobodycular · Apr 10, 2025

Scoutship said:
Nah mate, the universe is their 'god', and always has been ever since the sickening 'Space race' when the US and Russia tried to outdo each other by giving 'offerings' to it like big cash and animal sacrifices (many animals died up there, for example google 'Russian dog Laika')

I really, really, really don't see why God is any more deserving of being worshiped than the universe is. Why is 'It' worthy of having animals sacrificed in Its name? Why is It worthy of having trillions of dollars spent on buildings so that people can come and grovel at Its feet? Why is It worthy of killing people over? Why is It worthy of condemning people over?

The difference escapes me.

Scoutship · Apr 10, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
Most of the people who ran the space race in the US were Christians, as were about 90% of the population at the time.

I have no interest in viewing the universe as a god. What use would I have for a god?

1- Would true Christians fire animals into space?
2- God invites us all to that big party in the sky, but you don't have to come if you don't want..
Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants- go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)

Desk trauma · Apr 10, 2025

Scoutship said:
1- Would true Christians fire animals into space?

I see no conflict between Christianity and participation in research on the effects of space travel. What’s the issue?

Hans Blaster · Apr 10, 2025

Scoutship said:
1- Would true Christians fire animals into space?

I don't worry about who some think are the "true" christians.

Scoutship said:
2- God invites us all to that big party in the sky, but you don't have to come if you don't want..
Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants- go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)

Sounds horrible and eternal wedding party. YMCA is bad the first time it is played, the millionth time...

Scoutship · Apr 10, 2025

partinobodycular said:
I really, really, really don't see why God is any more deserving of being worshiped than the universe is. Why is 'It' worthy of having animals sacrificed in Its name? Why is It worthy of having trillions of dollars spent on buildings so that people can come and grovel at Its feet? Why is It worthy of killing people over? Why is It worthy of condemning people over?
The difference escapes me.

Jesus wants MATES, but if you don't want to be his buddy you don't have to be..-

partinobodycular · Apr 10, 2025

Scoutship said:
Jesus wants MATES, but if you don't want to be his buddy you don't have to be..-

A 'Mate' that worships It. That's a pretty huge case of egotism.

Scoutship · Apr 10, 2025

Desk trauma said:
I see no conflict between Christianity and participation in research on the effects of space travel. What’s the issue?

I was briefly a lab assistant, and one of my duties was to pop mice into a gas jar to kill them for dissection, but after killing the first one I thought "I ain't doing this no more" and walked out in disgust.
PS- let me introduce you to Henry who visits my desktop for peanuts I leave out for him, RODENT LIVES MATTER..

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