Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Apple Sky]

Issac Newton invented gravity in the late summer of 1666 (odd date), & then it was only a theory.

Gravity is called a theory rather than a fact. In summary; gravity is the phenomenon. A theory of gravity is a mathematical formulation that can be used to describe the phenomenon. Theories are useful because they can be used to make predictions.

 

[The Liturgist]

I do not know what text exactly they saw. If they even knew there are different texts.

I think we have more sources than they did, thats why our situation is more complicated and our dogmas less dogmatic.

The Church Fathers were not only aware of a multiplicity of texts, but they had access to far more ancient texts than we do. One of the tragic lost books of the early church is Origin’s Hexapla, which as the name implies, was a parallel Bible (actually the first) containing six versions of the Old Testament, presented in six columns, side by side:

1. the Hebrew consonantal text
2. the Secunda – the Hebrew text transliterated into Greek characters including vowels
3. the translation by Aquila of Sinope into Greek (2nd century)
4. the translation by Symmachus the Ebionite into Greek (late 2nd century)
5. a recension of the Septuagint, with (1) interpolations to indicate where the Hebrew is not represented in the Septuagint (taken mainly from Theodotion's text and marked with asterisks), and (2) indications, using signs called obeloi (singular: obelus), of where words, phrases, or occasionally larger sections in the Septuagint do not reflect any underlying Hebrew
6. the translation by Theodotion[6] into Greek (mid 2nd century)

And there were other versions they had access to as well which are now lost, in addition to certain apocrypha which is lost or survives only in fragments or quotes, for example, the Gospel of the Hebrews or the Gospel of Peter, both of which differed substantially from the usual Gnostic false Gospels.

Thus, our situation is in fact less complicated, and our dogmas are more dogmatic, because of the destruction of historic manuscripts by the Muslims and other groups outside of the Orthodox Church (it is in our monasteries where manuscripts such as the Codex Sinaiticus were found).

Do you have the NETS translation?

Yes I do, and I am aware of the multiplicity of versions of Daniel, which I find stimulating and intellectually interesting. On a doctrinal level these disparate versions are not a stumbling block, since Daniel is one of the most well-exegeted books of Old Testament prophecy.

And when in doubt regarding the Old Testament, as to how to interpret it, Christ our True God taught us at the end of the Gospel of Luke that the books of the Law and Prophet are all about Him. So one should always seek the Christological context of the Old Testament first, before looking for other contexts.

So when it comes to the different versions, I find them genuinely exciting and actively seek them out and read them. They do not impact me on a doctrinal level. The Church Fathers had even more access to disparate versions, which sadly I do not have - if anyone finds an authentic copy of Origen’s Hexapla or of intact versions of some of the lost text it contains, that would be a document that would be an amazing breakthrough, but sadly those places where it is most likely to be are also those places most under threat from Islamists.

 

[The Liturgist]

When & why ?

Gravity was not discovered it was invented.

Incorrect, wrong, a million times wrong, and repeating something ad nauseam does not make it so. One cannot “invent” a physical force. Theories are not invented, they are proposed, based on observation, and are then experimentally validated, or invalidated.

For example, we did not invent the Round Earth or the Flat Earth - these were theories based on observation, and this thread is driven by your refusal to accept that the former has been validated and the latter invalidated, and by the correct opposition of Christian members to your slandering of NASA people.

 

[Apple Sky]

Check sunsets, seasons, eclipses, gravity, meteorites, satellites, the ISS, flights in the southern hemisphere, different skies in different hemispheres etc.

Gravity checked
Meteorites
Seasons checked
Satellites checked
The ISS
Different Skies

The two things I have not checked is the eclipses & the flights.

 

[The Liturgist]

Black is black & white is white just like the Masonic lodges checked floors. Check em out.

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I am not a supporter of Freemasonry by any means, but its funny you should bring them up, considering that a Canadian Flat Earth conspiracy theorist engaged in arson attacks against three Masonic lodges: After suspected arsonist charged, mason responds to hate with kindness

This incident proves that Flat Earthers are actually dangerous to the community and should be subject to increased police surveillance, particularly given the large extent to which Flat Earthers tend to also subscribe to other dangerous conspiracy theories such as the Sovereign Citizen psuedolaw beliefs. indeed most channels on YouTube founded to debunk Flat Earthers have moved on to debunking Sovereign Citizens.

 

[Strong in Him]

Issac Newton invented gravity in the late summer of 1666

He did not invent gravity, he discovered it.

(odd date)

It's a perfectly valid date. People were born, baptised, married and died in 1666 - just as in 1665, and any other date.

Oh, wait, you're going to try and claim now that Isaac Newton had something to do with the antichrist?

 

[Strong in Him]

Gravity checked

You might have "checked" gravity; if you still think it was invented, you haven't learnt anything.

And you haven't explained different skies, etc.

 

[The Liturgist]

Gravity checked
Meteorites
Seasons checked
Satellites checked
The ISS
Different Skies

The two things I have not checked is the eclipses & the flights.

Also sunsets, the supposed disk shape of the Sun, the fact that the Sun sets completely, and does not rise or set offset to the North as your map predicts, and also the issue of the distortion of travel routes so as to be more curved towards the North Pole and longer towards the South Pole, than they actually are, according to the map you posted.

Stop slandering NASA scientists. It is fundamentally wrong and un-Christian.

Earlier, when I asked you what the Bible says about slander, you retorted “what does the Bible say about lying”? Obviously it says that it is wrong. And if it emerges that what you are saying about these people is untrue, then you have lied about them, which is by definition slander. And what did God say about all this? “Vengeance is mine” and “Judge not, lest ye not be judged.”

I have even told you that there are approaches you could take to flat Earth belief that would not involve slandering people, but at this point, you seem more interested in accusing NASA and others, such as Captain Kelsey of Atlas Air, of lying and engaging in Satanic conspiracies, than in actually finding the truth of the matter. And I find that very sad indeed.

 

[The Liturgist]

At any rate @Apple Sky I’m afraid I’m going to have to cut you off - until you show signs of metanoia, of repentance, or of making a good faith effort to, as you claimed to seek help for in another video, not being addicted, your own words, not mine, to conspiracy theories, I am not going to provide you with material to react against in opposition to, since your claims have been entirely debunked, you don’t seem to care, and I think continuing to engage with you at present, until you show signs of metanoia, is not in your best interest, and would represent a failure of pastoral care on my part.

Again, I don’t care what shape you think the world is, but it is the potential of slander on a truly massive scale that is a danger to your soul, and as a Christian clergyman, it would be spiritual malpractice for me to continue to fuel your fire by providing more arguments for you to react to. And I would encourage my friends @prodromos @Strong in Him @trophy33 and others to disengage from you, until you at least repent from pursuing a course where you could be potentially falsely accusing millions of people of participating in a Satanic conspiracy theory, which is a tragedy. And to the end of helping you not do that, I will even assist you in developing models for a flat and stationary Earth that do not involve accusing anyone of lying.

The bottom line is that I do love you and care about you and would be happy to discuss other things with you, other than the geometry of the Earth and conspiracy theories. God bless you. +

 

[trophy33]

The Church Fathers were not only aware of a multiplicity of texts, but they had access to far more ancient texts than we do.

A modern reader can have all the manuscripts on one click, critical editions from all over the world, all the translations, commentaries, dictionaries etc. While in the times of "the church fathers", a manuscript was so expensive that it was very rare to even have the whole Bible. Most priests or scholars had some pieces or even only the extracts of the most known places. Only kings and very rich people could allow themselves to have a one whole piece of Bible. Not to say in various readings.

Thus, our situation is in fact less complicated, and our dogmas are more dogmatic, because of the destruction of historic manuscripts by the Muslims and other groups outside of the Orthodox Church (it is in our monasteries where manuscripts such as the Codex Sinaiticus were found)...

I do not share your orthodox church centric view or your trust in "the church fathers". The situation is much more complicated than that.

Yes I do, and I am aware of the multiplicity of versions of Daniel, which I find stimulating and intellectually interesting. On a doctrinal level these disparate versions are not a stumbling block, since Daniel is one of the most well-exegeted books of Old Testament prophecy.

It may be scholarly or intellectually "stimulating", but it basically destroys any biblical inerrancy or word-for-word inspiration and similar, for all practical reasons.

So when it comes to the different versions, I find them genuinely exciting and actively seek them out and read them.

Its interesting for a while, for example for cca 15 years of my life. After that, one must simply drop various view of the Bible that are not realistic.

 

[Jipsah]

That's b/c it is, the earth orbits the sun

Yep.

Have you looked up the name Apollo yet ?

Apollo is one of the Olympian deities in classical Greek and Roman religion and Greek and Roman mythology.

 

[Jipsah]

Then explain to me what gravity actually is,

Gravity is a fundamental interaction that causes mutual attraction between all things that have mass.

who invented it

God.

and when & why...........

In the beginning, because it's the glue He uses to stick the universe together

 

[Jipsah]

And chess boards. Ergo all chess players...

 

[Apple Sky]

and as a Christian clergyman, it would be spiritual malpractice for me to continue to fuel your fire by providing more arguments for you to react to.

Well as a clergyman I would have expected you to believe Genesis 1.

 

[trophy33]

Well as a clergyman I would have expected you to believe Genesis 1.

Genesis was not written to you to believe in it. And you, sadly, have no idea how to even read it or what to use it for.

 

[Apple Sky]

Genesis was not written to you to believe in it. And you, sadly, have no idea how to even read it or what to use it for.

And neither do you.

 

[trophy33]

And neither do you.

Sigh. Your usual childish responses.

 

[David Lamb]

Genesis was not written to you to believe in it. And you, sadly, have no idea how to even read it or what to use it for.

Sorry, are you really saying that part of God's Word was not written for people to believe in it? Or did you mean that it was not written so that Apple Sky in particular should believe it? Either way, it seems wrong to me.

 

[trophy33]

Sorry, are you really saying that part of God's Word was not written for people to believe in it? Or did you mean that it was not written so that Apple Sky in particular should believe it? Either way, it seems wrong to me.

Nothing in the Old Testament was written to "general world public". It was written by Jews and to Jews and for their specific purpose. When somebody wants to read it, its very difficult without the knowledge of the ancient Jewish culture.

The OT Scriptures have never been meant to be universal.

 

[David Lamb]

Nothing in the Old Testament was written to "general world public". It was written by Jews and to Jews and for their specific purpose. When somebody wants to read it, its very difficult without the knowledge of the ancient Jewish culture.

The OT Scriptures have never been meant to be universal.

Not so, surely. For a start (no pun intended), the OT begins by describing a time before the Jews existed as a nation. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" doesn't apply only to Jews. The New Testament refers back to the Old on numerous occasions with its prophecies, types and shadows of the Lord Jesus Christ, and He did not come only to save Jews.