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Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

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Jipsah

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Well u have not read his books so ur judgement cannot be relied upon.
Well, as it happens, I found a source for reading at least one of them for free, as I didn't want a red cent of my hard-earned money going to a grifter. Dude showed his fraudulent colors right out the gate.

Mr. Henrie begins his screed with an obligatory denunciation of the US government, which is apparently completely run by knowing or unknowing Satanists. I skimmed over it since I'd heard that sort of thing a good many times before. After about a half dozen pages or so, he got down to business.

The headline was: Samuel Rowbotham Proved The Earth Was Flat. Then follows a breathless account of Mr. Rowbotham,, and what would be the first of what came to be called "The Bedford Level Experiment". Mr, Rowbotham's intent was o demonstrate that the earth was flat. To make a fairly long story more manageable, here's my summary. In 1838, Mr. R had set up shop on the Old Bedford river in England, on a long, narrow stretch of that stream, to conduct his experiment. Short form, he did his experiment with all due dilligence, and the result seemed to confirm that, at least for that stretch of river, the earth seemed to be flat. Mr. Rowbotham published his findings in a book, which excited little interest and was quickly forgotten. That's as far as Mr.Henrie follows it before declaring a victory and moving on.

But the story didn't end there. In 1870, a surveyor named Arthur Russel Wallace accepted a wager designed to show that Mr. Rowbotham had made mistanes in his observations that an experienced surveyor would not have made, and that his observations had been in error. Mr.Wallace set up his observations as a surveyor would have, and found that the results were precisely those to be expected if the world was a globe. Over several years afterward, a number of people repeated similar experiments, each time with improved instruments, with all reaching results that agreed with Mr. Wallace's conclusions.

The problem here is that Mr. Henrie only sees fit to tell us about Mr.Rowbotham's "successful" experiment, very conveniently omitting the later ones that found their results consistent with a spherical earth. The big problem here is that Mr.Henrie somehow fails to tell us, deliberately, it would seem, about the later experiments that produced completely different results! that, THis appearsd to be a clumsy attempt to create the impression the Mr. Rowbotham's test results had stood unchallenged, when in fact no one else ever duplicated them.

That's sufficient for me to classify Mr.Henrie, for my own purposes anyway, as a fraud and a grifter. He has a product to peddle, and he's not gonna let the truth stand in the way of separating another sucker from their money.

Now, did I read the rest of the book? No, I didn't. I don't have to let someone try to sell me the Washington Monument for a second time to know that they're a swindler. But I consider "A fool and his money are soon parted" to be axiomatic, so if y'all want to mortgage the ranch and send it all to him, go for it. To quote Poor Richard again: "Experience keeps a dear school, but a fool will learn in no other."


Look all I can tell u is the research has been done.
I'm sure that Mr. Henrie deals with them in the same mendacious manner.
It is very scientific book
If your definition of "scientific" means "full of abject lies".
and author Hendrie shoots down all theories of a spherical earth.
Oh, except the very first one in the wretched book! But I'm sure the rest are monuments to scientific rigor. :rolleyes:
You can look the other way, you can pretend it’s not there, or u can cover ur esrs and sing la la’s all day long, but that is not going to make this amazing researched book go away.
Oh, I have no interest in it going away. I think it's as good an example of shameless fleecing of the flock as anything I've seen that wasn't by Tom Horn.
 
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This is a true statement according to Hendries books
From what I've gleaned from Mr. Helrie's writing, if it's true then he probably said it by accident.
 
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Think u said u read just 2 chapters.
He has a higher tolerance to arrant rubbish thn I do.
Again this is going nowhere. I believe Gods words when he repeatedly said the earth is mounted on pillars
What are the pillars mounted on?
and cannot be moved.
Moved from where?
You don’t believe God when he said it.
I believe that's how the scribe wrote it.
Really your take on the Bible is different than mine.
Thanks be to God!
Moot much more can be said about this.
I have no doubt of that, BTW, do you ever venture into the New Testament at all?
 
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I have come to the conclusion that you & @trophy33 don't believe the Bible, right or wrong ?
I don't have much use for internet pontifs who tell me that one must believe whatever jive interpretation of Scripture they're peddling. I've been reading the Bible since before you were born, and never met anyone who felt that it required a belief in a flat earth. Then again, most of the people I grew up with believed that the Bible was all about Jesus, not with the shape of the world. I mean, I see lots of places where the disciples "preached unto them Jesus", but none where thewy preached a flat earth or a 6 day creation. What were they missing?
 
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Trophy flat out said the Bible writers are wrong. Prodo, does not believe Gods words in simple repeated scripture in several Bible books. Really I thot this was a Bible believing Christian forum.
Well that depends, matey. Here's one you can try:

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Our Lord says that the bread and wine of the Eucharist are His Body and Blood. If you don't believe they are, then you're denying what He Himself has said, and you dare not for shame accuse any other believer of failure to believe the Bible.

What say you?
 
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I have read the Bible, The book of Enoch, The book of Jubilees, The book of Jasher, The Apocrypha, The Lost Books of the Bible, The Kolbrin Bible, The Septuagint, much of the works of Josephus, and currently working on The Dead Sea Scrolls.
Don't have much use for the New Testament do you?
 
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Trophy flat out said the Bible writers are wrong.
When the Bble says the sun rises, it has technically got it wrong....but that's the way we talk.
Prodo, does not believe Gods words in simple repeated scripture in several Bible books. Really I thot this was a Bible believing Christian forum.
We still need to establish if you believe it. Do you literally believe 1 Corinthians 11:23-26? If not, then you have no right to accuse another of not believing the Word of God. Talking about the shape of the earth is nothing. If I get it wrong, I'll apologize when I'm shown the truth, But failing to discern the Body and Blood of our Lord is a far more serious matter.
 
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How do you interpret something that is written down in plain English for all to read ? The mind boggles...........
I will probably regret entering this thread, but here goes.

1. The Bible was not written in "plain English."
2. "Interpretation" is not the same as "translation".
3. Parts of the Bible were written in poetry, parable, prophecy or allegory.
4. Even "plain speaking" is open to interpretation. For example, read Matthew 24. Now go the the Eschatology forum and see how many different views there are about the Lord's return. "There is a rapture"/"there isn't a rapture".
You, yourself, have said somewhere that King Charles could be the anti Christ because the Royal family originates from Germany. Where does Scripture say, "the ani Christ will come from Germany"? Where does it say "the AC will be a British king whose distant relatives were German"? Why King Charles rather than any current German leader?
Your statement is pure interpretation.
 
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I have zero problems with Christians who do not believe in the flat earth. But when this subject comes up the spherical crowd seems to lose there collective mind. Again, it does not bother me at all that you do not share my views.
No, the "spherical crowd" does not lose "there" collective mind. The vast majority of Christians simply do not agree with your obviously and demonstrably wrong views.
 
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Rubbish.

You do know, I suppose, that NASA isn't a word - not in English, anyway.
It stands for National Aeronautics and Space Administration; the first letter of each word reads N.A.S.A. This is easier to say than "National Aeronautics and Space Administration".
They could have called it the American Aeronautics and Space Administration, which is the same thing.

The word NASA does exist - in Hebrew.
It means "to lift up" - fact.

Satan is a Biblical name; it existed long before America was even discovered.
 
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You do know, I suppose, that NASA isn't a word - not in English, anyway.
It stands for National Aeronautics and Space Administration; the first letter of each word reads N.A.S.A.

I know all this, but I find it such a coincidence that we say 'nasa' & with the letter T would be an anagram of the name Satan, instead they use the letter T to say T minus upon blast off.
Too many coincidences here to be anything but.......

Also the name 'Satan' is an anagram for Santa & we all know where this fictitious character is supposed to come from :santa:^_^
 
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I have read the Bible, The book of Enoch, The book of Jubilees, The book of Jasher, The Apocrypha, The Lost Books of the Bible, The Kolbrin Bible, The Septuagint, much of the works of Josephus, and currently working on The Dead Sea Scrolls. Didn’t need another language once.

I too have read all these books & I find 'The book of Enoch' to be the most compelling when it comes to cosmology. I recommend that all globers should read this.
 
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I know all this, but I find it such a coincidence that we say 'nasa' & with the letter T would be an anagram of the name Satan, instead they use the letter T to say T minus upon blast off.
Too many coincidences here to be anything but.......

Also the name 'Satan' is an anagram for Santa & we all know where this fictitious character is supposed to come from :santa:^_^
Sorry, but that's just your imagination; finding links where there are none.

Saint Nicholas, which is Sinterklaas in Dutch, was a real person; a Greek Orthodox bishop. The Spanish for saint is Santa.
He is the patron saint of children and was known for his habit of giving gifts in secret. He used to wear a red cassock. This is FACT - the origin of Santa Claus, or Father Christmas.
Yes, the story has become embellished over time. But so have many things - including the Christmas story which shows Mary and Joseph in a nice, clean stable, surrounded by nice animals, shepherds and kings. This does not mean that it is not, fundamentally, true.

So saying that Santa Claus is a fictitious character - even hinting that it comes from the devil - is wrong, and simply shows that either you do not know the facts, or that you have chosen to ignore them because they don't fit with your theory.

If people DO say "T minus" when astronauts blast off into space, there is a reason for it - which is almost certainly not the reason that you have put forward.
 
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I too have read all these books & I find 'The book of Enoch' to be the most compelling when it comes to cosmology. I recommend that all globers should read this.
Why?
It's not a modern-day science textbook.
 
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I too have read all these books & I find 'The book of Enoch' to be the most compelling when it comes to cosmology. I recommend that all globers should read this.
You still do not get the problem. Globe is not some theoretical principle we debate in books. Its what we know is there, because we actually looked, measured, calculated. No amount of ancient literature can change that.
 
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