Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[trophy33]

Well, in the other thread I presented a flat earth model that explains the observation of counter star rotation. and you just ignored it and tried to change the subject. Do you actually want explanations or not?

I am asking you for a single working model explaining everything we observe. For the fifth time now.

And it does not matter how many times you say "it doesn't work", if you cannot actually demonstrate it.

If you do not have any working model, there is nothing to talk about and nothing to demonstrate.

 

[Apple Sky]

Nope.

Yep.

 

[trophy33]

Yep.

Nope. You lie to yourself. When what you claim has been constantly proven to be false, it really does not come from the real God. Its logically impossible for God to lie or to be mistaken.

 

[Apple Sky]

Its logically impossible for God to lie or to be mistaken.

I totally agree.

 

[trophy33]

I totally agree.

Then the only solution is that its you who is lying and/or mistaken. Well, another possible solution could be if you claimed that the physical reality is faked, like in Matrix.

 

[Apple Sky]

Then the only solution is that its you who is lying and/or mistaken. Well, another possible solution could be if you claimed that the physical reality is faked, like in Matrix.

My only claim is that God created a level unmovable earth with a firmament above it that houses the sun, moon and all the stars.

 

[The Liturgist]

My only claim is that God created a level unmovable earth with a firmament above it that houses the sun, moon and all the stars.

And the problem is that claim is not needed to explain scriptural passages, no Orthodox church father, Roman Catholic doctor of scholastic theology, or Protestant reformer, insisted that a belief in a globular Earth is damnatory, and insofar as the Roman church objected to the idea of heliocentrism, they no longer do so, but this idea is also obsolete.

One thing most Flat Earthers don’t seem to understand is that an object that is moving at a consistent speed through a vacuum does not experience inertia or drag. In fact, it is impossible to tell how fast you are moving through space without a reference point. The Earth is stationary within its local frame of reference. This is one of the central principles of relativity.

In addition, adhering to a relativistic model of the universe does not threaten the doctrine of Creation, since the Big Bang is ex nihlo (from nothing, just like what the Bible teaches about the origin of the Universe) and is in many respects like a supremely bright explosion happening everywhere at once, e.g. “let there be light.”

Nor does it threaten incidents such as the miracle at Jericho, since God as the creator is omnipotent - if he wills the sun to stand still in the sky, it will stand still, and this supernatural event by its very nature can occur without the problems that would ordinarily be caused, for instance, by a halt in the Earth’s rotation, from being applicable.

What does matter is faith in Christ, the only begotten son and Incarnate Logos, whose coming was spoken of by the prophets, as well as the rest of the Nicene Creed, which is part of the CF.com statement of faith.

 

[Apple Sky]

Nor does it threaten incidents such as the miracle at Jericho, since God as the creator is omnipotent - if he wills the sun to stand still in the sky, it will stand still, and this supernatural event by its very nature can occur without the problems that would ordinarily be caused, for instance, by a halt in the Earth’s rotation, from being applicable.

God didn't have to stop the rotation of the earth b/c the earth doesn't rotate nor does it orbit the sun.

 

[Phil G]

So, the original subject of this thread means that there is a golden opportunity for flat earthers to put their model of a flat earth (whatever that may be) to the test - go to Antarctica and prove to us globe earthers that we have it all wrong. I would imagine they would be falling over themselves to show us once and for all that we are deluded and deceived by Satan. The evidence would be there for globe earthers to see, no 24 hour sun in Antarctica during the summer months in the southern hemisphere. What more could you want?

But no, flat earthers are falling over themselves alright, but in order NOT to go. Why?

Because it is a waste of time? But why would it be a waste of time? Surely freeing even one person from the grips of satanic deception would be well worth the time! If they cared at all about people being deceived by Satan and believe that the earth is flat, then let them show us by first hand observation in the company of globe earthers.

@prodromos posted an excellent animation in post #119 demonstrating as to why the "motion of a light in the sky" (the sun) could demolish or confirm a flat earth model where Antarctica surrounds the earth.

There are already plenty of eye witness accounts of the phenomenon of 24 hour sun there so, if the flat earth is true, these eye witnesses must be lying. Well let's have that showdown in Antarctica, globe versus flat.

But no, all the flat earthers do is refuse to go, deny there is 24 hour sun in Antarctica saying "I don't believe it", deflect to other arguments and continue to ridicule the globe earth.

It seems to me that as long as flat earthers don't have to confront actual evidence, just post YouTube videos claiming this and that, and make claims on forums such as this, then they can live in denial and go on ridiculing the globe earth.

Fine, but we are all still apparently deceived by Satan. So much for their "concern" for our alleged satanic delusions!

 

[The Liturgist]

God didn't have to stop the rotation of the earth b/c the earth doesn't rotate nor does it orbit the sun.

I didn’t say he did stop the rotation of the Earth. But we do know that the Earth rotates. This is absolutely an established fact.

By the way, you do realize that if the Earth did not rotate, the only difference from our perspective would be that one side would be perpetually illuminated and the other side perpetually dark?

 

[Jipsah]

Souls

Ah, so believing tjhe Earth is flat is one of the requirements for salvation. Wow, that means that pretty much everyone from the past few centuries is toast, doesn't it? "Off to hell, you lot. you believed that the world was round, bwahahahaha!' No wonder the Bible places such emphasis on teaching the flatness and lack of motion of the earth. Oh, wait.... it doesn't. In fact, it says nothing of the kind. It's another of those stupid things that folks decide that the Bible "really means".

But anyway, it's your position is that believing the earth is flat, in spite of the endless evidence to the contrary, is what separates the sheep from the goats. And that Old Nick is, in the end, victorious. I mean, God could have easily prevented imost of His presumably beloved Creatures from being tortured eternally by just telling them that being a Flattie was a requirement for salvation. Apparently it just never occurred to Him.

, he ridicules the scriptures especially Genesis 1

Genesis doesn't say the word is flat, and even if it had, knowledge of Genesis isn't a requirement for salvation in any faith I've ever heard of.

& he hides God

Seems like God could easily prevent that, like, being, ya know, God.

these are reasons why there are billions who have turned their backs on God who will never get saved.

I'd lay that to the charge of Christian nincompoops who proclaim that "the Bible sez the eath is flat!" when: A) the Bible says no such thing, and B) i isn't even vaguely true.

There are loads who still believe in the big bang theory thanks to Satan.

The Big Bang is when when God commanded "Let there be light!". Satan hadn't a doggone thing to do with it.

NASA's leaders & the 33% Masons all lie big time & getting the masses to believe in a rotating earth which orbits the sun has been Satan's biggest achievement to date.

Standard Conspiracy Theory rubbish. If anyone is spropagating lies from Satan, it's the Flatties, who do more to discredit Christians and Christianity this side of pedophile clergy.

 

[Jipsah]

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Jesus will settle this when he returns, until then people will believe in science's globe, outer space, evolution lies.

Yeah, can't believe them lying eyes, gotta go with what some illterate jackleg preacher made up.

 

[Jipsah]

Then the earth must be round, spinning & travelling through the heavens along with the planets in an infinite universe with I dunno how many Galaxies, so much for the Bible & God's word.

God's Word says nothing to the contrary.

 

[Jipsah]

I do, not only that but he created a stationary immovable earth.

Which idea is supported neither by Scripture nor simple observation. It's a lie.

 

[pgp_protector]

Souls, he ridicules the scriptures especially Genesis 1 & he hides God, these are reasons why there are billions who have turned their backs on God who will never get saved.

There are loads who still believe in the big bang theory thanks to Satan.

NASA's leaders & the 33% Masons all lie big time & getting the masses to believe in a rotating earth which orbits the sun has been Satan's biggest achievement to date.

If your god can ge hidden by man, he's no god worth worshiping.

 

[Jipsah]

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I have in the past read your lack of belief in The Bible's creation account.

The Bible's creation account is a short symbolic account ot the Creation. There's no empirical data there, nor was there intended to be. The point is "God created everything", not to tell you how God created everything, or with what, or any significant details. You're gettng the 10 minute overview there. Stop acting like it's detailed specs for the Creation of the Universe in 3 pages.

 

[Jipsah]

There's just one thing wrong with your statement, God did not create a spinning ball earth.

Then who did?

 

[Jipsah]

I do, not only that but he created a stationary immovable earth.

Which a few very cursory observations would show you to be untrue. But you won't look.

 

[lifepsyop]

And the problem is that claim is not needed to explain scriptural passages, no Orthodox church father, Roman Catholic doctor of scholastic theology, or Protestant reformer, insisted that a belief in a globular Earth is damnatory, and insofar as the Roman church objected to the idea of heliocentrism, they no longer do so, but this idea is also obsolete.

What do you think church fathers would think of modern cosmology generally?

One thing most Flat Earthers don’t seem to understand is that an object that is moving at a consistent speed through a vacuum does not experience inertia or drag. In fact, it is impossible to tell how fast you are moving through space without a reference point. The Earth is stationary within its local frame of reference. This is one of the central principles of relativity.

It's a long way of saying you don't have any evidence that the earth is moving.

The theory of Relativity was embraced for that very reason... after physicists tried to find experimental evidence the earth is moving but could not.

In addition, adhering to a relativistic model of the universe does not threaten the doctrine of Creation, since the Big Bang is ex nihlo (from nothing, just like what the Bible teaches about the origin of the Universe) and is in many respects like a supremely bright explosion happening everywhere at once, e.g. “let there be light.”

Modern cosmology is an atheism/agnosticism factory and that leads away from the doctrine of Creation. It removes all intended purpose from the universe, makes the earth an insignificant speck of exploded startstuff, and makes God optional.

If people are using your own cosmological beliefs as an excuse to deny God, then that is probably a bad sign.

Nor does it threaten incidents such as the miracle at Jericho, since God as the creator is omnipotent - if he wills the sun to stand still in the sky, it will stand still, and this supernatural event by its very nature can occur without the problems that would ordinarily be caused, for instance, by a halt in the Earth’s rotation, from being applicable.

Of course, it could also be possible that the Sun and Moon actually did stand still as it was written in Joshua, and that the earth was never moving in the first place. If God is omnipotent, there is nothing stopping him from designing the cosmos in this way.

What does matter is faith in Christ, the only begotten son and Incarnate Logos, whose coming was spoken of by the prophets, as well as the rest of the Nicene Creed, which is part of the CF.com statement of faith.

Judging by the many video testimonies that have come out, people are finding faith in Christ through a belief in Biblical cosmology.

That's a good thing to be celebrated, right?

 

[Jipsah]

What do you think church fathers would think of modern cosmology generally?

I think they'd be awe struck by the marvelous works of God.

It's a long way of saying you don't have any evidence that the earth is moving.

Except that there are tons of evidence that the earth is moving. You just can't bring yourself to believe it.

The theory of Relativity was embraced for that very reason... after physicists tried to find experimental evidence the earth is moving but could not.

Well, I reckon if ignorance is bliss then 'tis folly to be wise.

Modern cosmology is an atheism/agnosticism factory and that leads away from the doctrine of Creation.

Rubbish.

It removes all intended purpose from the universe, makes the earth an insignificant speck of exploded startstuff, and makes God optional.

Boy, that's very haughty critique of the way God designed His universe. A shame you didn't have the opportunity to offer Him any pointers.

If people are using your own cosmological beliefs as an excuse to deny God, then that is probably a bad sign.

And if pigs had wings... All I see here is peple venomously denying that God designed the cosmos as He did instead of how you reckon He ought to have done it. Once again, if God had consulted you it would all have been so much better. Right.

Of course, it could also be possible that the Sun and Moon actually did stand still as it was written in Joshua

Or that the earth did, since the difference wouldn't have been obvious to the terrestrial observer. We still speak as though the sun was moving aound the earth even though we know better. because that's the way it looks.

, and that the earth was never moving in the first place. If God is omnipotent, there is nothing stopping him from designing the cosmos in this way.

Are you sure you're willing to allow Him that much latitude? You do seem very keen to say how God can't have done thus and so, evn though it's obvious to most serious observers that He did in fact do it that way.

Judging by the many video testimonies that have come out, people are finding faith in Christ through a belief in Biblical cosmology.

Or what they call a Biblical Cosmology. All it takes is a little creative exegesis, wholesale eisegesis, and a stubborn refusal to lok up and see what's actually happening. Typical culty hive-think.

That's a good thing to be celebrated, right?

Embracing a lie is never something to be celebrated.