Flat-Earthers

[DogmaHunter]

For that and many other reasons it does stand to reason that the world cannot go on like it is much longer. So much is that true that we would no doubt be expecting the Tribulation soon even if we did not already except it soon from what the Bible tells us on that point.

Any day now.

False teachers will do whatever it takes to insert their "pet doctrine" into certain passages in Scripture; which in reality only disproves their false teachings.QUOTE]

Irony.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You will all feel a little silly when you get to the other side and find out it really was flat, that you allowed yourselves to be played as fools all your lives, and have to give an account for maligning fellow believers in this matter.

Or not.

Which seems more likely.

 

[SeventyOne]

Lol you aren’t confusing me at all. I asked you for any photographic/video evidence of a flat earth and you just ignore the question. If there were plenty of info then how come there are no pictures or videos? I’m very open minded and curious except the problem is there is absolutely no proof. Only your wacky conspiracy claims. You notice there are no scientific claims to back up a flat earth?

I haven't ignored anything. If fact, I've been extremely open if letting you all know if you actually cared about it, there is evidence available. And yes, you are confused if you think I'm under any obligation to prove anything to you or any one else one way or another.

I've also asked for proof as well of a ball earth demonstrating a measurable curve and motion, and all I get is pictures and reference to an incorrect 2000+ year old Greek assumption. None of you have given me anything either other than proclaiming your faith in the word of known liars. And while there is no obligation on a globers part to prove anything to me, at least put a little effort into it when you try. There's only been one measurement attempt by the globers that has ever gone their way that I'm aware of, and that was a Discovery Channel show, with Stephen Hawking, where they take 3 measurements, one they get completely wrong because they measure the wrong spot, and another uses video fakery.

Flat earth has hundreds, maybe thousands, of contemporary experiments where actual measurements are taken demonstrating there is zero evidence of a 8 inch per mile squared curve, and the globers have a discredited test by some Greek dude over 2,000 years ago. An honest person might think, 'hey, maybe I don't know everything already and should check this out to see what's going on.' And you're in luck, a lot of it is documented in video, and I know how much you all like pictures and video as primary sources of evidence.

Here's a quick ignorance test.

If you think the Eratosthenes experiment proved anything, or if you still think ships go over a horizon, or if you still think visibility would be infinite on a flat earth, or if you still think motion of the earth has ever been detected, or if you still think the earth is demonstrably shown to be curving at 8 inches per mile squared, then you are wandering around in the dark without a clue as to what is really going on around you.

I understand the programming you all are still under, which results in an initial denial of the subject. What I don't understand is the intellectual laziness on parade here. How people can be confronted with the possibility that they've been lied to and choose to not confront it and see for themselves is beyond me. I won't entertain the intellectually lazy in this matter any more. You all can chalk it up as some sort of victory in your heads if you wish, but you've actually lost more than you know.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Sorry to confuse you, but I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I have no desire to win anyone over to FE. Just conveying there is plenty of info out there if you are curious. Choosing to remain ignorant on the subject you are arguing against is your prerogative.

Saying "there's plenty of info out there", isn't the same as providing said info.

If there is plenty of info, then it shouldn't be hard for you to provide some links or evidence to support FE claims.

 

[SeventyOne]

Saying "there's plenty of info out there", isn't the same as providing said info.

If there is plenty of info, then it shouldn't be hard for you to provide some links or evidence to support FE claims.

No, it wouldn't be hard. That's why I've done so willingly thread after thread only to be met with ridicule, anger, and ignorance from multitudes of people. And that's also why I don't do it any more. Curious people will take the initiative. Trolls will whine and complain that I'm not doing it for them so they can complain about it more easily.

 

[A_Thinker]

Here's a quick ignorance test.

This is why Flat Earthers are not taken any more seriously than they are. You don't really care about the truth and educating others. You only care that you prove yourself better than your fellows in some way.

A quick clue ... if I ever stepped into a classroom and was presented with that type of sentiment ... my faith in my instructor's impartiality and commitment to education would be manifestly challenged ... and you need to know ... we don't learn from people we don't trust.

 

[A_Thinker]

If you think the Eratosthenes experiment proved anything, or if you still think ships go over a horizon, or if you still think visibility would be infinite on a flat earth, or if you still think motion of the earth has ever been detected, or if you still think the earth is demonstrably shown to be curving at 8 inches per mile squared, then you are wandering around in the dark without a clue as to what is really going on around you.

I understand that this is your reality. The question is ... what justification can you provide to demonstrate that others should share your views ?

 

[SeventyOne]

This is why Flat Earthers are not taken any more seriously than they are. You don't really care about the truth and educating others. You only care that you prove yourself better than your fellows in some way.

A quick clue ... if I ever stepped into a classroom and was presented with that type of sentiment ... my faith in my instructor's impartiality and commitment to education would be manifestly challenged ... and you need to know ... we don't learn from people we don't trust.

I'm not an instructor. Never claimed to be. I'm not here to teach anything concerning flat earth. Don't try to impose such a role on me then act disappointed.

 

[SeventyOne]

I understand that this is your reality. The question is ... what justification can you provide to demonstrate that others should share your views ?

It's not just my reality, it's yours as well.

My justification is letting the honestly curious know there are alternatives out there than the narrative they've been forced-fed their whole lives. People who prefer their cozy little bed of lies are free to sleep there as long as they like.

 

[A_Thinker]

I understand the programming you all are still under, which results in an initial denial of the subject. What I don't understand is the intellectual laziness on parade here. How people can be confronted with the possibility that they've been lied to and choose to not confront it and see for themselves is beyond me. I won't entertain the intellectually lazy in this matter any more. You all can chalk it up as some sort of victory in your heads if you wish, but you've actually lost more than you know.

A further question ... how do you know what level of research has been conducted by those whom you disagree with here ... and can you provide justification for their further research.

I could just as easily declare that the moon is made of cheese. Why would such a declaration obligate those around me to do copious research to prove me wrong, particularly when I have demonstrated unyielding intansigence to any pertinent knowledge bestowed by anyone else (experts included) on the subject ?

 

[A_Thinker]

I'm not an instructor. Never claimed to be. I'm not here to teach anything concerning flat earth. Don't try to impose such a role on me then act disappointed.

You are correct ... you are not an instructor.

However, you are a "professor" of a particular viewpoint. Yet you attempt to persuade others to consider your view, without any particularly convincing justification.

If you're going to try to shame others for not seriously considering your argument, you should, at least, do the work to present justifiable reasons for doing so ...

 

[SeventyOne]

A further question ... how do you know what level of research has been conducted by those whom you disagree with here ... and can you provide justification for their further research.

I could just as easily declare that the moon is made of cheese. Why would such a declaration obligate those around me to do copious research to prove me wrong, particularly when I have demonstrated unyielding intansigence to any pertinent knowledge bestowed by anyone else (experts included) on the subject ?

I've passed along almost no knowledge on this thread. But I've willingly done so on numerous other threads, which wasn't received well. There's no reason to keep doing the same thing over and over again on my part to the same audience and expecting a different result.

And I can tell the FE knowledge around here ranges all the way from nil to almost zero, based on the arguments provided against it.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I've also asked for proof as well of a ball earth demonstrating a measurable curve and motion, and all I get is pictures

Do you not see the issue with what you've stated here?

 

[Jimmy D]

My justification is letting the honestly curious know there are alternatives out there than the narrative they've been forced-fed their whole lives. People who prefer their cozy little bed of lies are free to sllep there as long as they like.

This is surely what it's really all about.... A self-satisfied, smug feeling of intellectual superiority over us "sheep".

 

[SeventyOne]

You are correct ... you are not an instructor.

However, you are a "professor" of a particular viewpoint. Yet you attempt to persuade others to consider your view, without any particularly convincing justification.

If you're going to try to shame others for not seriously considering your argument, you should, at least, do the work to present justifiable reasons for doing so ...

I have presented justifiable reasons, and I've been ridiculed for it, over and over. And again, you err if you think I'm attempting to persuade anyone. At this point I think the best I can do is point out areas of ignorance in the topic of the people who imagine their arguments hold any water.

 

[SeventyOne]

This is surely what it's really all about.... A self-satisfied, smug feeling of intellectual superiority over us "sheep".

Think what you want. This is just more of the ignorant riducle I keep referencing.

 

[A_Thinker]

It's not just my reality, it's yours as well.

That's your argument. If you want others to consider it, you need to do an adequate job of presenting it.

People who prefer their cozy little bed of lies are free to sleep there as long as they like.

Again with the attempted shaming. Unfortunately, by doing so, you are signalling that you really don't have much to offer (i.e. that will stand on it's own) ...

 

[SeventyOne]

Do you not see the issue with what you've stated here?

Nope. Do you actually think pictures are proof?

If so, I'll show you pictures from space showing zero curve. If you consider them definitive proof, then you should become a flat-earther on that basis alone. If you don't, then you also don't believe pictures are proof.

 

[SeventyOne]

That's your argument. If you want others to consider it, you need to do an adequate job of presenting it.



Again with the attempted shaming. Unfortunately, by doing so, you are signalling that you really don't have much to offer (i.e. that will stand on it's own) ...

Again, I'm done with offering this group anything but knowledge of an alternative to the lie. I've presented proof over and over again in prior threads. Pretending that I haven't won't make it go away.

 

[Jimmy D]

Think what you want.

I will, you're doing nothing to disabuse me of that opinion.

This is just more of the ignorant riducle I keep referencing.

Is my opposition to FEism is based on ignorance of the arguments, what gives you that impression? The mere fact that I disagree with you?

I believe my only contribution to this thread was to ask you what the motivation is for this grand conspiracy, you failed to respond.

(Edit, my mistake, I've made a couple of stupid jokes too)