Flat-Earthers

[SpiritualBeing]

Lol, you think anyone’s allowed close enough to the edge to get photos? You poor deluded sheep... it is of course guarded by an enormous international secret agency of some sort.

Have any flat earthers got any maps of how they think the earth looks?

Lol I probably just blew his mind with such simple questions.

 

[SeventyOne]

Your claim is the Earth is flat. If the Earth was flat, the shadow it would cast on the moon’s surface when it got between the sun and the moon would, in turn, look flat like the picture.

Ummm, no. That conveys a very rudimentary understanding of flat earth. Educate yourself a bit in what you are opposing.

Let’s see these curvature tests demonstrating no motion or curvature.

Put some effort into looking and you'll find plenty. I'm not here to convince you of anything. If you want proof, you'll find plenty. If you just want to troll, keep doing what you are doing.

No need for YOU to go but what about the other billions of other people on the planet? Did they not want to go either? Millions of people go to see the Grand Canyon every year and take pictures but the edge of the earth which is supposed to be amazing no one has ever visited and taken pictures? Not one picture or video of the edge of the earth that you can provide?

Never been to the edge of the dome myself. I can't speak for other people.

 

[Tom 1]

Please see post #31.

Your answer there just seems to be that you don't know? The flat earth notion would make GPS as it currently functions impossible. Do you genuinely believe that all manufacturers of GPS devices are in on some kind of conspiracy? It makes no sense, it is a genuinely absurd idea, which is why I would suggest that finding our how it actually works might help to counter some of the ideas you have allowed to influence your thinking.

 

[Tom 1]

Lol, you think anyone’s allowed close enough to the edge to get photos? You poor deluded sheep... it is of course guarded by an enormous international secret agency of some sort.

Have any flat earthers got any maps of how they think the earth looks?

Actually, no, I believe it is being guarded by Elvis and Lord Lucan.

 

[SpiritualBeing]

Ummm, no. That conveys a very rudimentary understanding of flat earth. Educate yourself a bit in what you are opposing.

. Tell me what am I missing?

Put some effort into looking and you'll find plenty. I'm not here to convince you of anything. If you want proof, you'll find plenty. If you just want to troll, keep doing what you are doing.

Uh that’s not how it works. You make the claim you have the evidence for no curvature or motion. If you cannot show that evidence what you claim then it is just merely your personal belief of no curvature or motion.

Never been to the edge of the dome myself. I can't speak for other people.

Well there you have it folks. Nobody has ever been to the edge of the earth because there are apparently no pictures or video in existence to show what the edge of our earth looks like. Maybe you can hop on a plane for your next vacation and visit this amazing destination you speak of and you can take pics for all of us to marvel.

 

[USincognito]

Hey, good timing on this thread. Two more people just joined the Flat Earth Conspiracy by pretending to fly into space and view the curvature of the earth.
'Billion-Dollar View'! See Incredible Footage from Virgin Galactic's 1st Spaceflight (Video)

 

[USincognito]

If it's a globe we shouldn't be able to see Chicago across 54 miles of Lake Michigan.

Nothing more amusing than the smug self confidence of those who believe lies.

This claim is based on a single photograph that is explained by simple atmospheric physics.
Skyline Skepticism: The Lake Michigan Mirage

That evening at the top of Warren Dunes, it was pretty exciting as the inversion was setting-up. It was a spring night, the lake waters were very cold and it even felt warmer on top of Tower Hill than on the shore. Looking out on the horizon, a dark line started to show-up just above it, that was the inversion. We could see the atmospheric “lensing” or refraction happening. Objects would appear and disappear, there were breaks in buildings or they’d appear upside down depending on how the atmospheric conditions were changing.

“It's been amazing to watch how it changes. The cloud cover changed and then amount of light coming through made a big difference in the visibility of the city,” said Nowicki.​

^^^ This is the guy who took that photo.

 

[USincognito]

A shadow will conform to the shape of the object it's being cast upon.

No it doesn't. And we shouldn't be having eclipses at all on Flerf. Or should we talk about Rahu and Ketu.

An actual empirical measurement. Pictures aren't proof in themselves, unless you also think this pic is proof good ol' George was a Trump supporter. It is a picture after all, therefore it must be evidence of that fact, right?

This is exactly what I'm referring to with flat earther dishonesty. Any image that they are show will be dismissed in some way. If you didn't take the photo of the ISS yourself, then how do you know it wasn't faked. If you did take the photo yourself, how do they know you didn't fake it. It's a transparently dishonest way of avoiding addressing all of the visual evidence.

Ironically though, they will accept any random Flerf YouTube video or image purporting to show a flat earth - the Anchorage/Denali one is a classic - without a moment's skepticism or hesitation.

I just wanted to add, have you ever seen a selenelion eclipse? There's some footage of recent ones floating around.

It's a lunar eclipse with both the sun and moon fully visible in the sky, an impossibility if the earth is supposed to be directly between the two.

Saying that the sun and moon are fully visible is overstating the case. Flat earthers want us to believe that we observe C in the attached image when we actually observe B because of refraction as shown in A.

Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight

As a consequence of this atmospheric trick, for many localities there will be an unusual chance to observe a senelion firsthand with Saturday morning's shadowy event. There will be a short window of roughly 1-to-6 minutes (depending on your location) when you may be able to simultaneously spot the sun rising in the east-southeast and the eclipsed full moon setting in the west-northwest.​

1 to 6 minutes. And why is it 1 to 6 minutes? Because of the rotation of the earth.

 

[USincognito]

I suppose somewhere closer to the dome than I am currently.

Where are the pictures of the edge? Got any videos you can post? Which continents are on the edge?

Never been to the edge. No need to even ever try. Flat earth can be proven without it.

This is another dishonest approach to this discussion taken by some flat earthers. They defer on questions like this because they think that obscure 19th century experiments are somehow more important as evidence for a flat earth than something blatantly obvious like photos of the ice wall or some sort of indication that the dome was arching down to where it clearly meets up with the edge of the earth at some point.

If claims about the ice wall had any validity you would think that there would be hundreds of photos and videos in the Internet by now. Instead there are hundreds of photos and videos of people, including civilians, going about their business in Antarctica as if it were a normal continent at the southern end of a globe earth.

 

[jacknife]

So i have a question, i have a friend who has actually circumnavigated the globe, shouldnt he be dead if the earth was flat?

 

[Jimmy D]

I always wonder... why?

What do flat Earthers believe is the motivation for what could only be described as the biggest, most complex hoax in history?

 

[jacknife]

If the earths flat how do sun rises work? Wouldnt light from the sun just all pour in at once?

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Your answer there just seems to be that you don't know? The flat earth notion would make GPS as it currently functions impossible. Do you genuinely believe that all manufacturers of GPS devices are in on some kind of conspiracy? It makes no sense, it is a genuinely absurd idea, which is why I would suggest that finding our how it actually works might help to counter some of the ideas you have allowed to influence your thinking.

Have you ever tried comparing satellite coordinates (ball-Earth) to those obtained from a base-station (flat-Earth), on a larger scale (up to ~5km by ~2km). I have seen this, and found that the base-station provided more consistently accurate coordinates across the field. The satellites seemed to give large errors at the edges of the system (when calibrated to best-fit). The base-station, smaller errors, and fairly consistent along the square (not significantly worse at the edges).

At the time, I didn't understand why. Now I realise it was probably due to mapping a ball-Earth shape onto a flat Earth plane.

 

[A_Thinker]

I prayed to God and the answer was the Earth is a Globe and its older than 6,000 years old. This was after I did some study of YEC then got conviction for spending too much time on it.

Indeed ... there are better things for us to spend our time on ...

 

[A_Thinker]

I'm quite baffled that this would even be a topic of discussion when clearly the Earth is spherical.

It is basic common sense.

It's not basic common sense, ... but it is science (i.e. observation).

For those who will see ...

 

[A_Thinker]

There's not one thing that anyone has said on any flat-earth thread against the flat-earth that hasn't been researched by someone.

You, of course, realize that this is even MORE TRUE when it comes to observations/study supporting the spherical earth ...

 

[A_Thinker]

And if you want to convince me the earth is a ball, show me the motion and curve. Motion and curvature tests favor flat earth. I've seen over a hundred of them and so far no motion or curve. If you can go out and measure a curve, you'll be famous, because you'll be the first.

It was the measure of Earth's curves that brought man to the knowledge that the Earth is spherical at least 2,500 years ago. Erasthosthenes and co-horts performed the observations and tests to demonstrate that the Earth is spherical, and just how large a sphere it is.

The Coriolos Effect is just one proof of rotation of the Earth about an axis, ... as well as the electro-magnetic force observed to be directed through the poles of the Earth. Storms rotate in different directions, depending upon whether they are in the Northern Hemisphere ... or in the Southern Hemisphere. The Coriolis Effect manifests because of the spin of the earth.

There is no flat-earth explanation for this ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Like evolution?

Evolution is acknowledged to be a theory by reasonable people on both sides of the issue ...

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Some, not all. Some believe it is a ball, but don't mock those who believe it is flat.

I, for one, don't think we should make it a practice of coddling absolutely absurd, unfounded, beliefs...like a flat earth. That's how you dumb down a population.

In terms of being "open minded" vs. "closed minded", there's a difference between instantly rejecting something that hasn't been studied at all yet out of bias (for instance, if a medical researcher proposed a theory for cancer treatment and someone rejected it before even listening to the details)...that's truly being closed minded, ...and rejecting something that already been definitively disproved numerous times through a wide variety of modalities. "Flat Earth Theory" would fall into the latter.

The fact that they have to resort to the traditional conspiracy theorist method of debate (dismissing all evidence as "tampered with" and "in on the hoax") is quite telling. "Those picture are photoshopped, NASA tampered with the data and made stuff up", etc...

I also don't think it's coincidence that people who believe in flat earth also happen to be professors of just about every other pop-conspiracy theory out there. (9/11, JFK, Moon Landing, Vaccines, etc...).

I think some people just have a mental predisposition to want to believe the "alternative" to the conventional... I'm convinced that if the earth actually was flat, and flat earth was what was being taught in mainstream science, those same folks would have a round-earthers group simply because they always want to oppose the mainstream at every chance they get.

 

[A_Thinker]

If it's a globe we shouldn't be able to see Chicago across 54 miles of Lake Michigan.

Nothing more amusing than the smug self confidence of those who believe lies.

Skyline Skepticism: The Lake Michigan Mirage

"To those that doubt affects of refraction. The full Chicago skyline should be visible all the time if it weren't the case, barring clouds, rain or fog. However that’s not the case, it is always changing. I encourage anyone to go look for themselves."