Flat-Earthers

[Rick Otto]

I don't think you appreciate just how big of a globe it is.

It isn't until you get much higher in altitude that you can see the curvature because of the sheer scale.

Also, age old question but it's never answered: If the earth is flat, where are the edges? Why don't we fall off? Please, show me where the edges of the world are.

You can think what you want about what I appreciate but it means nothing unless you address the issue:
Is 8" per mile squared the curve formula for a 24,000 mile. Circumference globe or not?
You totally dismiss that and move the goalpost to an edge approach.

First of all, FE people don't claim to have all the answers.
You need to address issues rather than move goalposts.

If your concern is credibility, bother to show some.

 

[Rick Otto]

Not top or bottom. The edge. If it's flat then it has edges. Where are they

FYI, in the August 1931 issue of Popular Science, August Piccard observed the earth from 50,000 feet and said it looked like a flat fish with upturned edges.
I trust him.

 

[Rick Otto]

But it is mindset that is the issue - on threads of this sort you get nowhere trying to address anything concrete, the conspiracy theorist mindset is elusive by definition and won’t be tied to anything that can actually be discussed in detail in any useful way, it’s all about random assertions based in a sort of collective ‘feeling’, linked up with various obscure notions that involve joining up dots based on supposition and a general way of thinking, rather than actual things that actually have relationships between them. Some of it is the exact outcome the (then) Soviets had in mind when they first started these disinformation programs in the 80s, but perhaps even they underestimated how much people love to be deluded, and to what extent it would take on a life of its own.

That's a cop out allegation that can work both ways.
Is the 8" per mile squared an acceptable curve formula of a 24,000 circumference globe or not?
If yes, then do the math against the observation of Chicago fro across 54 miles of Lake Michigan.

Your complaint about lack of addressing specifics is not completely true.

 

[Rick Otto]

Right? In their mind it must be the largest global(for lack of a better word...) conspiracy in the history of mankind.

And for what? There's literally no net gain to lie about it.

Not that you can see.
Do you see everything?

 

[Rick Otto]

People shouldn't even waste their time lol...I've played this game before.

It's a never-ending moving goalposts cycle. No matter what you provide, they'll always have some reason why that evidence "isn't real".

-Every piece of tangible, visual evidence like photos will be dismissed as "photoshopped"

-Every eyewitness report from astronauts and member of the ISS & NASA will be dismissed as "they're in on it because they'll be killed if they don't propagate the lie"

The irony is, they get their "evidence" from blogs using a very in-depth research technique.

It goes a little something like:
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Here's the part I can't figure out...

Why? At least with the anti-vaxxers and the 9/11 truthers, there's at least a somewhat cogent explanation for "Why" the "powers that be" do what they do. For instance, the 9/11 truthers believe it was an inside job, so that the Bush administration could have an excuse to get military involvement in order to be able to shell out money to cronies in the defense industry. Their theory is junk, but at least there's an answer to "why?" when you ask them.

I don't know that the same exists for Flat Earth theorists...when I've asked this of them, I never really get an answer other than just a generic opposition to mainstream science due to the mainstream scientific community holding some other view that oppose their religious preferences.

Not true.
Address the curve.
What's an acceptable formula to describe the curve of the eafth?

 

[Tom 1]

That's a cop out allegation that can work both ways.
Is the 8" per mile squared an acceptable curve formula of a 24,000 circumference globe or not?
If yes, then do the math against the observation of Chicago fro across 54 miles of Lake Michigan.

Your complaint about lack of addressing specifics is not completely true.

Yes, that was an off topic discussion with Hieronymus about conspiracy theories in general, not the FE question. I’ve seen some FE assertions about this or that.

 

[Rick Otto]

Speaking of flights there's yet another example where what flat earthers claim is a conspiracy is simply explained by airline safety rules. They claim there are no flights over Antarctica. That's not true because Quantas does a charter, but it is true that there aren't any flight paths of scheduled commercial routes over Antarctica. Clearly that's because NASA won't all any civilian planes to fly over the ice wall and crash into the dome...

... or maybe it's because airline safety regulations require flights remain within corridors so they're never more than their certified 1 engine flight distance away from an emergency landing site. It's called ETOPS for Extended Operations and depends on the ratings for each aircraft.
ETOPS - Wikipedia
As readers can see by this list, there are no Diversion Airports anywhere near Antarctica so no two engine aircraft can fly a route bringing it close to the continent.
Diversion airport - Wikipedia

LOL.
Safety rules.

Love your sense of humor.

 

[Rick Otto]

Not top or bottom. The edge. If it's flat then it has edges. Where are they

Why must it have edges?

 

[Rick Otto]

You are totally wrong. The scheduled commercial Qantas direct Sydney-Santiago and Sydney-Johannesburg flights do indeed fly great-circle routes close to Antarctica. And ETOPS does not apply, because these flights use quad-engine 747 aircraft.

I don't believe you.

 

[Rick Otto]

I asked a valid question, which you ignored / avoided.

If you don't want a reasonable discussion, you won't get one.

I'll try again, has the flat earth ever been mapped, do those maps differ from global maps?

Of course it has.
The Mercator Projection used on the UN flag is it.
More continents outside the first dome have been mapped.
I've seen models with as many as three domes.
Global maps differ even from each other.

Are YOU willing to address the curve? No common sense science believing anti-conspiracy normal people seem willing or able to answer if 8" per mile squared is accurate enough to describe the earth's curve or why we can see Chicago from across 54 miles of curved Lake Michigan (curved every bit as much as the PacificOcean)

 

[Rick Otto]

New images from the solar probe!

Alleged solar probe

 

[Rick Otto]

I just wanted to add, have you ever seen a selenelion eclipse? There's some footage of recent ones floating around.

It's a lunar eclipse with both the sun and moon fully visible in the sky, an impossibility if the earth is supposed to be directly between the two.

They are about 1 in every 50 eclipses if I remember correctly.

 

[Rick Otto]

So, in other words, you're claiming all of the pictures are faked by a giant conspiracy. Called it.

BTW: How to Determine the Earth's Circumference - dummies

So in other words, you're claiming all pictures are real by giant corporations?

Wow, thanks for the circumference. Do you have a curve formula for that circumferance?
Is 8" per mile squared good enough?

 

[Rick Otto]

Show me an image of Chicago from 54 miles from ground level. You may be able to see the tops of the beacon on the Willis Tower from there. Have you ever wondered why you can't see it from farther than that? All you have to do is take a boat out on Lake Michigan. Head away from Chicago and see how far away you are when you can't see the tower anymore.

I spent an afternoon and evening at Dunes State Park and saw it down to the waterline. But I believe it was Rob Skiba who got in a boat at the 54 mile mark on the Michigan shore and videotaped the skyline down to the first few floors all the way across the lake to disprove refraction.
If one is sincerely interested, it isn't hard to find even greater distance observations on YouTube.

 

[A_Thinker]

Is 8" per mile squared the curve formula for a 24,000 mile. Circumference globe or not?

No ... that is an approximation only good for 100 miles or less ...

 

[A_Thinker]

FYI, in the August 1931 issue of Popular Science, August Piccard observed the earth from 50,000 feet and said it looked like a flat fish with upturned edges.
I trust him.

That's one ...

 

[A_Thinker]

What's an acceptable formula to describe the curve of the eafth?

Earth Curvature Calculator - Calculate the curve you should see

 

[A_Thinker]

... do the math against the observation of Chicago fro across 54 miles of Lake Michigan.

Skyline Skepticism: The Lake Michigan Mirage

"To those that doubt affects of refraction. The full Chicago skyline should be visible all the time if it weren't the case, barring clouds, rain or fog. However that’s not the case, it is always changing. I encourage anyone to go look for themselves."

 

[A_Thinker]

... airline safety regulations require flights remain within corridors so they're never more than their certified 1 engine flight distance away from an emergency landing site. It's called ETOPS for Extended Operations and depends on the ratings for each aircraft.

ETOPS - Wikipedia

As readers can see by this list, there are no Diversion Airports anywhere near Antarctica so no two engine aircraft can fly a route bringing it close to the continent.

Diversion airport - Wikipedia

Safety rules.

Love your sense of humor.

Love your incredulity ...

 

[A_Thinker]

You deserve to be mocked you freaking insane lunatic. You should get a lobotomy and spare the world your embarrassment

Are you still a Baptist ... ???