Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

lasthero · Oct 21, 2015

JacksBratt said:
Lift it , yes. Move it or transport it and build a wall of stones of similar magnitude..... not a chance.

A) That's not what you said originally, now is it?

B) We have transports that could move things like that - there are mobile cranes that are capable of lifting well over 1,000 tons. There'd be nothing to stop us from building a structure like that in the modern age - the thing is, though, there's no reason to.

Come to think of it, why did THEY need to move such heavy things all over the place?

ecco · Oct 21, 2015

Xalith said:
Again, you're missing the point that two mathematical constants are found in two verses that speak about the same thing (the Creation) while using the exact same formula. So your 1:10,000 is actually 1 in 10,000 inside of 10,000 of both verses doing this to those two specific numbers. Probably even higher than that, actually.

Using Google Translate for "in the beginning" בהתחלה

I did a little more thinking on this. What got me started were the number of letters and the number of words; 28 and 7.
28/7 = 4. To get to pi, you need to make the dividend a little smaller and/or the divisor a little larger. This has been accomplished: 2.38 is smaller than 3.04. With a little clever manipulation it isn't hard to get the divisor and the dividend to produce an accurate value for pi out to 4 decimals. Hebrew lends itself to that manipulation. Check out Google Translate. As I pointed out in my previous post, there are 10 words for god with ten different spellings. There are 5 for earth, 3 for heaven. The translation for "created" is different than the one shown in the "proof". Someone familiar with Hebrew would have no problem tweaking the wordings to work the way they wanted. Or even just using whatever letters they wanted.

Another key to understanding the BS involved here is the very big numbers in the "proof" x10^^34. Not much more than a smokescreen.

The folks over at Koinonia House make a lot of money selling books and lectures with their numerology nonsense.

mmksparbud · Oct 21, 2015

I've always been of the opinion that we most definitely have lost a great deal of knowledge from the pre flood peoples. Adam and Eve were created perfect--with perfectly functioning brains, I don' think we can comprehend what that means. There are what are called idiot-savants--don't like that word. But they are capable of astounding mental feats. Can memorize whole phone books and such. Just try to imagine a brain that is totally savant--no idiot part--(except that even the most intelligent may have no common sense!) Their descendants were not some dull witted, grunting, low lives sitting around gnawing on bones. These were remarkable intelligent humans with a very long life span--we only have around 60 years to hone our talents and learn our crafts--they had hundreds of years and pooled their knowledge--there was only one language after the flood, and more than likely only one language before the flood.
With their kind of brain power, I doubt very much they were running around in primitive animal skins--I know what I have learned about working with materials since I started sewing at the age of 9--I am almost 65 and my mental powers are dwindling---theirs were just getting started. Every area of knowledge would have been examined, explored, added to, expanded on by others also. By the time of the flood, I doubt there was anything we do know now, that they hadn't done, including flying and even genetic tinkering. Noah and his family may have carried on some of that knowledge, but could not have carried on all of it and life was dramatically shortened after that, and then the confounding of the languages. There were probably pockets of knowledge that the most elite probably hoarded (that's human nature) and when they died so did that knowledge. Of course, the bible doesn't say anything about this, just my opinion.

Justatruthseeker · Oct 21, 2015

morse86 said:
1) Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down constantly if it's a round earth? NASA says the curvature is 8 inches per mile. The average speed of a plane is 580mph......how come the altitude meter stays mostly constant?

Because it is in an electric and magnetic field that is constantly changing both with altitude as the plane falls and rises and it's forward movement, but also the natural changes in those fields. The ones we are not supposed to consider in a universe filled with electric and magnetic fields.

2) How come there are dead spots for GPS...but if you move a mile left or right, you get GPS connection. You mean a satellite cannot account for 1 mile difference?!?!? Before GPS, there was LORAN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN)

For starters it takes a minimum of 3 GPS satellites to triangulate your position.

3) How come there are several space ballon videos showing a direct hotspot under the sun? How come the sun appears very very close and not millions of miles away?

Because no one is ready for the truth.

It's just weaker and so not as visible and much closer with ours. And now you see why we have that energetic ring of particles that were recently discovered that falsified every theoretical model they had of that region. Because they ignore every other observation.

But besides that - as for distance - no one is ready for that.

[serious] · Oct 21, 2015

JacksBratt said:
Lift it , yes. Move it or transport it and build a wall of stones of similar magnitude..... not a chance.

That's not even close to the record either. Just one I happened to have come across yesterday.

[serious] · Oct 21, 2015

JacksBratt said:
Due to the fact that there are structures made of stacked stones of this same magnitude.

source?

As for our ability, we could move such stones and build with them, but it would be impractical. We have methods of building stronger structures easier.

Strathos · Oct 21, 2015

What does the building of stone structures have to do with the shape of the earth?

Rygaku · Oct 21, 2015

morse86 said:
1) Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down constantly if it's a round earth? NASA says the curvature is 8 inches per mile. The average speed of a plane is 580mph......how come the altitude meter stays mostly constant?

2) How come there are dead spots for GPS...but if you move a mile left or right, you get GPS connection. You mean a satellite cannot account for 1 mile difference?!?!? Before GPS, there was LORAN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN)

3) How come there are several space ballon videos showing a direct hotspot under the sun? How come the sun appears very very close and not millions of miles away?

This should answers your question.

ecco · Oct 21, 2015

mmksparbud said:
I've always been of the opinion that we most definitely have lost a great deal of knowledge from the pre flood peoples. Adam and Eve were created perfect--with perfectly functioning brains, I don' think we can comprehend what that means. ... Just try to imagine a brain that is totally savant--no idiot part--(except that even the most intelligent may have no common sense!) Their descendants were not some dull witted, grunting, low lives sitting around gnawing on bones. These were remarkable intelligent humans with a very long life span

Then explain how two people "with perfectly functioning brains" decided it was smart to disobey their maker.

JacksBratt · Oct 21, 2015

lasthero said:
A) That's not what you said originally, now is it?

B) We have transports that could move things like that - there are mobile cranes that are capable of lifting well over 1,000 tons. There'd be nothing to stop us from building a structure like that in the modern age - the thing is, though, there's no reason to.

Come to think of it, why did THEY need to move such heavy things all over the place?

You are right. I did say lift it. My original statement was:
"They had knowledge, they lacked technology. There are structures from ancient times that we cannot figure out today."

As to why.... they didn't need to. They were lifting stones and making structures that were perfectly normal size for them. They were giants.

JacksBratt · Oct 21, 2015

Strathos said:
What does the building of stone structures have to do with the shape of the earth?

Kind of a off shoot of the discussion. I've never seen it happen here before

lasthero · Oct 21, 2015

JacksBratt said:
You are right. I did say lift it. My original statement was:
"They had knowledge, they lacked technology. There are structures from ancient times that we cannot figure out today."

The one i responded to just said that we can't lift such things today, which is clearly not true.

As to why.... they didn't need to. They were lifting stones and making structures that were perfectly normal size for them.

But how come we don't find anything else that belong to them. We don't find any giant utensils or tools or clothes or anything like that.

And how giant? Because even if a human were a hundred feet tall, I don't see him lifting something that weighs over a thousand tons. The largest creature that's ever lived, the blue whale, only weighs about 100 tons, and it's about a hundred feet long.

mmksparbud · Oct 22, 2015

ecco said:
Then explain how two people "with perfectly functioning brains" decided it was smart to disobey their maker.

I did say that intelligence and common sense do not always go together. Some of the most intelligent people I know have made the absolute dumbest mistakes ever. Freedom of choice can bring disaster. Those same people, with wonderful intelligence, turned that intelligence into doing evil continually till God had to wipe them out. It's like, you're an atheist, that's your choice--as a believer, I say you've made a terribly wrong decision, in spite of you or intelligence.---Oh, well, nobody's perfect!

ecco · Oct 22, 2015

mmksparbud said:
I did say that intelligence and common sense do not always go together. Some of the most intelligent people I know have made the absolute dumbest mistakes ever. Freedom of choice can bring disaster. Those same people, with wonderful intelligence, turned that intelligence into doing evil continually till God had to wipe them out.

God makes A&E in the manner he chose.
A&E the most intelligent people how ever lived, people with perfect brains (your words), disobey his one command.
Things go downhill "till God had to wipe them out" and essentially start over.
Things don't go well again, so he has to sacrifice his only begotten son.
Things keep going downhill and now we are headed toward the rapture and the second coming.

Did my limited intelligence and lack of common sense get that right?

mmksparbud said:
It's like, you're an atheist, that's your choice--as a believer, I say you've made a terribly wrong decision, in spite of you or intelligence

One of us has.

mmksparbud said:
.---Oh, well, nobody's perfect!

God makes A&E in the manner he chose.
A&E the most intelligent people how ever lived, people with perfect brains (your words), disobey his one command.
Things go downhill "till God had to wipe them out" and essentially start over.
Things don't go well again, so he has to sacrifice his only begotten son.
Things keep going downhill and now we are headed toward the rapture and the second coming.

This is what your perfect god planned, designed and executed. All that planning and designing, with absolute knowledge beforehand, results in a world filled with suffering, that lasts less than 10,000 years. All so a few people (like yourself?) will spend eternity in his glorious heaven.

This is what your intelligence and common sense tells you.

JacksBratt · Oct 22, 2015

ecco said:
Then explain how two people "with perfectly functioning brains" decided it was smart to disobey their maker.

Pride, and the desire to be like God, combined with the encouragement of a third party planting the seed of doubt that they would not suffer the consequences promised to them and that God just didn't want them to be like Him.

JacksBratt · Oct 22, 2015

lasthero said:
The one i responded to just said that we can't lift such things today, which is clearly not true.

You are right...I guess I should admit that I was in error... my responses......

You are right. I did say lift it. My original statement was:
"They had knowledge, they lacked technology. There are structures from ancient times that we cannot figure out today."

lasthero said:
But how come we don't find anything else that belong to them. We don't find any giant utensils or tools or clothes or anything like that.

lasthero said:
And how giant? Because even if a human were a hundred feet tall, I don't see him lifting something that weighs over a thousand tons. The largest creature that's ever lived, the blue whale, only weighs about 100 tons, and it's about a hundred feet long.

I apologize that this is a bit off the flat earth topic. However, I'm just responding to the question. I believe it goes without saying that there are many things that are not as we have been told.

It is believed that the original Nephelim could have been 150 feet tall. I don't have proof of this other than this size is taken from the book of Enoch. The giants faced by the Israelite's, the first time the were to enter the promised land, saw them to be like grasshoppers and were as tall as cedar trees. That is from the Bible. It could be that the first Nephelim were much larger and as the genetics were diluted the giants grew progressively smaller. Who knows.

These giants were also believed to be incredibly strong in relation to humans scaled up to similar size. They were genetically superior in size and strength. Picture Arnold Schwarzenegger at 35 feet tall (small cedar tree) and you have an idea. Indian legends speak of these beings running along side the buffalo and picking them up with one arm, ripping off a leg and eating it as they walked along. That's quite a picture of size relation.

If we can move and lift something that size, today, imagine the ability of beings 7 times larger and much stronger in proportion to that scale.

This site is interesting. http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=giants

JacksBratt · Oct 22, 2015

ecco said:
Things don't go well again, so he has to sacrifice his only begotten son.

Did my limited intelligence and lack of common sense get that right?

If I could comment on this one point. God was forced to sacrifice his only begotten son right from the moment of the first sin in the garden. It was not a "things didn't go well again" scenario. It was "man messed up at the very beginning"

Satan's first plan was to destroy the relationship with God and humans, which he did. After that, he was trying to destroy the bloodline of humans in such a way that Christ would not be able to be totally human and therefore couldn't be a savior. Then he tried to make us believe he didn't exist and even more powerful, that God doesn't exist.

pgp_protector · Oct 22, 2015

Yea more fake "Giant Skeletons"

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/c...nikens-model-giant-skeleton-as-proof-of-bible

ecco · Oct 22, 2015

JacksBratt said:
Pride, and the desire to be like God, combined with the encouragement of a third party planting the seed of doubt that they would not suffer the consequences promised to them and that God just didn't want them to be like Him.

Let's look at that one part of your response more closely - "God just didn't want them to be like Him."

That's understandable. But it raises some concerns.
Here are facts:

god created the heavens and the earth
god created adam
god created eve
god commanded them to not eat from the tree
god knew they would eat from the tree
they ate from the tree

god knew, beforehand, that they would eat from the tree. It wasn't even a fair test. It was just part of god's "plan". To make it worse, he chastises A&E and curses the serpent for doing things exactly as he had planned.

lasthero · Oct 22, 2015

JacksBratt said:
If I could comment on this one point. God was forced to sacrifice his only begotten son right from the moment of the first sin in the garden.

Then why'd he take so long to do it if he knew he had to?

After that, he was trying to destroy the bloodline of humans in such a way that Christ would not be able to be totally human and therefore couldn't be a savior.

Which makes it even stranger that God waited so long to do it.

Then he tried to make us believe he didn't exist and even more powerful, that God doesn't exist.

He didn't do a very good job, since most humans believe they both exist.

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