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was it a stationary orbit?The broadcast occurred in the evening of April 1 1960. For it to have been an April Fools prank, it has to occur before noon on April 1.
how'd they get that braodcast signal out with all the flat clouds in the way
what if there is contrary evidence?
Yes I believe you are correct the expanse or raquia wouldn’t be the atmosphere it’s the waters above the expanse that would be the atmosphere. My mistake.Everything can have numerous meanings, days, trees, dust, so why do you accept literal reading of one, but not of another?
Your belief that its atmosphere will not help you much, because the sun, the moon or the stars are not in our atmosphere any more than in a firmament.
We don't have to.Show me proof they are real.
When they agree with your beliefs, you mean.To a certain degree.
or physics...Yes I believe you are correct the expanse or raquia wouldn’t be the atmosphere it’s the waters above the expanse that would be the atmosphere. My mistake.
Saying that the days have a different meaning other than a 24 hour period of time ignores both the surrounding context and the grammatical usage of the word Yovm which is never used in reference to anything other than a 24 hour period of time or daytime as opposed to nighttime. This misconception that Yovm can be used in reference to an age or an era derives from Strong’s Concordance’s error in where James Strong encompasses all of the variations of the word Yom into one category and provides the definition of all of the variations in one place without distinguishing which definition applies to which variation of the word Yom. I discovered this error by searching the word “day” in the Old Testament and looked up each verse in Biblehub.com and found an anomaly. In ever case where the word day is used in reference to and age or an era the word Beyovm is used not Yovm, and in every case where Yom is used in reference to a 24 hour period or daytime the word Yovm is used never Beyovm. Yovm means day or daytime, Beyovm means “in the day”. In every single case of Yom being used in reference to an age or an era you’ll see the term “in the day” not just “day”. The Hebrews used the word Yom pretty much the same way we use the word day today. Today we might say things like “back in the day” or “in my father’s day”, that’s exactly how the Hebrews used the word Yom in reference to an age or an era. We would never use the word “day” in reference to an age or an era that didn’t include the words “in the” or “in” followed by a subject of reference and the Hebrews didn’t use the word Yom in such a manner either. Furthermore we would never use the word day in reference to an age or an era with a number value attached to it. The first day or the second day etc, etc, would never be used in reference to an age or an era today and it was also never used in the Hebrew language that way either. We would also never use the term “evening and morning” when referring to an age or an era and the Hebrews didn’t use Yom in that manner either. If you want you can easily check the validity of this by doing a bible search for the word day and checking each verse in biblehub.com to see which variation of Yom is used in each verse like I did. I’m fascinated with Bible study, it is a passion of mine so I love learning and discovering new things about the Bible and I enjoy doing things like this in my spare time. Most people aren’t interested in doing things like this they’d rather just believe what they believe and go about their way. To me it’s like assembling a puzzle, I enjoy putting the pieces together to get a better picture of what the scriptures actually teach. I’ve presented this argument several times in discussions like this and I don’t know if anyone has actually taken the time to attempt to prove me wrong. Maybe they started and gave up after a while or maybe they did actually search all the verses that use the word day and didn’t want to admit I was right. So far no one has neither confirmed or denied my findings. The only way anyone can justify refuting it is to present a verse that uses the word Yovm that is clearly used in reference to an age or an era or to present a verse that uses the word Beyovm in reference to a 24 hour period.
Ahh I see what’s happening here, you’re choosing the most ridiculous definition possible to create a false narrative. Did you find this on an atheist website, because this seems like their type of argument and I’m not saying this in a derogatory manner but surely you would have to admit that this is exactly the type of argument that an atheist would take on these verses, the most ridiculous translation possible. I mean we can do this all day long and present verses that are obviously using metaphors like Jesus is a door, Jesus is a lamb, etc, etc but I’ve actually demonstrated numerous logical reasons why the word day cannot be interpreted metaphorically after you posted this so hopefully that will sufficiently answer your question here.Psalm 73:21 When my heart was grieved and I was pierced within,
... and I was pricked in my reins. And I am troubled; my heart and my kidneys rage against me.
Proverbs 23:16 My inmost being will rejoice when your lips speak what is right.
... right. Yea, my heart shall rejoice when your lips speak right things. And my kidneys will be glad whenever your lips speak uprightness.
Psalm 16:7 I will bless the LORD who counsels me; even at night my conscience instructs ...
... also instructs me in the nights. I shall bless Lord Jehovah who counsels me and my kidneys teach me in the nights.
Psalm 26:2 Test me, O LORD, and try me; examine my heart and mind.
... and my heart, Prove me, Lord Jehovah, and test me, and examine my kidneys and my heart. Examine me, O LORD, and test me. Look closely into ...
Psalm 7:9 Put an end to the evil of the wicked, but establish the righteous, O righteous God ...
... the wicked and establish the righteous; God, the Righteous One proves the heart and the kidneys.
Revelation 2:23 Then I will strike her children dead, and all the churches will know that I am the ...
... shall kill her children by Death, and all the assemblies will know that I search the kidneys and the hearts, and I shall give to everyone of you according to your works.
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In most translations its hidden from your sight and interpreted in a modern way, so you must check the original language what it literally means.
"the authors had time to think about it and used slang"Ahh I see what’s happening here, you’re choosing the most ridiculous definition possible to create a false narrative. Did you find this on an atheist website, because this seems like their type of argument and I’m not saying this in a derogatory manner but surely you would have to admit that this is exactly the type of argument that an atheist would take on these verses, the most ridiculous translation possible. I mean we can do this all day long and present verses that are obviously using metaphors like Jesus is a door, Jesus is a lamb, etc, etc but I’ve actually demonstrated numerous logical reasons why the word day cannot be interpreted metaphorically after you posted this so hopefully that will sufficiently answer your question here.
Why must we assume that Moses had a vision that encompassed the entire 50 chapters of Genesis in meticulous detail spanning over 2000 years when we know that he had two way conversations with God on numerous occasions?Or Moses got it in a vision, so its not a record of creation, but of the vision. Or Moses wrote a theater play for children. Or Moses just compiled other existing sources. Or he used some Egyptian/Babylonian mythology and rewrote it to be monotheistic. Or it was not written by Moses at all and he is just a traditional author. We can create various speculations how it was written, using our fantasy.
But if we are to build our view on things as they appear to be (i.e. to be scientific and also to accept the era in which the text originated), the story is simply not literal and its a creation mythos which were common and wide spread in the times.
Yes I conceded on this the atmosphere would be the waters above the raquia, my mistake.No, you do not. You do not believe that the lights are in the firmament, for example, as mentioned. Because its so easily disproved today, you try to go around that, using terms not existent in the text (like atmosphere), while still holding other things like a talking snake, dust, female taken from a male or 6 days to be literal.
the technicality of language since original authorship has changed not to mention the vast wealth of knowledge concerning "the beginning" or understood lack thereof...Yes I conceded on this the atmosphere would be the waters above the raquia, my mistake.
The pictures are irrelevant the fact that the flat earth community can’t produce a map of the earth that is to scale is proof and you know this. Thats the bigger problem because you claim to be a Christian but you’re not hearing His words and acting on them. I’m a young earth creationist, I believe God created the heavens and the earth and the seas and everything in them in 6 days and I believe the genealogy records and that everything was created 6,000 years ago. I believe this because it hasn’t been proven wrong and I’ve demonstrated how it is still plausible. Create a map of the flat earth that is to scale and you will have proven that your theology is plausible. You won’t because you can’t and you know this and the fact that you know this shows that you have no regard for the truth. God’s word teaches the truth and if we find that verses are contradictory to the truth then we have to reevaluate our interpretation to coincide with the truth otherwise we’re only teaching a lie which doesn’t accredit God at all.This is no proof that the pictures are real.
how old was Moses when he died and Noah, like 400 each, that leaves about 10% of total time left..The pictures are irrelevant the fact that the flat earth community can’t produce a map of the earth that is to scale is proof and you know this. Thats the bigger problem because you claim to be a Christian but you’re not hearing His words and acting on them. I’m a young earth creationist, I believe God created the heavens and the earth and the seas and everything in them in 6 days and I believe the genealogy records and that everything was created 6,000 years ago. I believe this because it hasn’t been proven wrong and I’ve demonstrated how it is still plausible. Create a map of the flat earth that is to scale and you will have proven that your theology is plausible. You won’t because you can’t and you know this and the fact that you know this shows that you have no regard for the truth. God’s word teaches the truth and if we find that verses are contradictory to the truth then we have to reevaluate our interpretation to coincide with the truth otherwise we’re only teaching a lie which doesn’t accredit God at all.
The map! If the earth is actually a flat disk then there should be no problem at all in creating a flat map that is to scale. All you need is a pice of paper, a map of the earth, and a pencil and you should be able to measure the continents and arrange them on the piece of paper in a circular pattern and everything should be to scale as it is in the real world. You can’t do it because the circumference of the southern hemisphere of the globe is not the same circumference as the outside edge of a disc. The widest circumference of a sphere is at the equator not the southern hemisphere which is why it’s impossible for you or anyone to make a flat map of the earth. Every time I mention this you just skip over it and pretend that it doesn’t exist because you know you can’t argue against it.Where ?
Not sure what your referring to here could you use complete sentences please so I can understand what your talking about?or physics...
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