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There are virtually no pagan beliefs in the European churches. You just use wrong words, because you (wrongly) think that experiments and scientific discoveries are pagan beliefs. Which makes no sense, of course.
I would imagine he’s probably referring to something like the old argument about Sunday worship being about worshipping the sun god which is ridiculous because every day of the week was named after a pagan god so no matter what day the church chose they would still make that ridiculous argument. Or perhaps it’s a reference to Easter because many people associate the bunny rabbit with pagan theology as a sign of fertility or maybe it’s because of Christmas and the whole pagan tradition of decorating a Christmas tree or the old argument about Santa Clause and his name being close to the spelling “satan” if you just change a few letters around even tho the word “Santa” actually means Saint and it’s a reference to a generous Catholic monk who gave generously to people in need. We both know there’s no truth to it, Christians don’t worship pagan gods it’s just more lies and conspiracy theories. Exactly what we would expect coming from this crowd.
 
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Do you really think they are ignorant of the truth? The evidence stacked against flat earth is astronomically overwhelming. Pictures are nothing compared to all the other evidence like the outrageous conspiracy theory that would involve literally millions of people being in on it and literally thousands of new people being brought into it every single day, the simple map problem that they can’t produce a map of the earth that is to scale. The last grade I completed was the 9th grade, I dropped out of high school and I worked concrete demolition for 29 years and now I’m a truck driver. It doesn’t take a college degree to understand that it’s absolutely impossible to take the surface of a ball and make it into a flat circle without stretching it or cutting slices all around the edge of the circle. Or that sunrises and sunsets are impossible on a flat earth. They know all of this, I don’t understand why you keep saying they are ignorant. The word ignorant means they don’t know any better, this is not the case with these people.

Have you seen the date on your Ist black & white picture of the earth :laughing:
LOL'z ...............The second one isn't much better either :laughing:
 
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How did they equip my telescope with CGI? Amazing technology.:scratch:
Yeah I mean they even manage to do it with telescopes that don’t require any sort of electricity. Just like apparently our speedometers and odometers on our vehicles have somehow always been affected by our distance from the North Pole in order to compensate for the difference in distance so that no one realizes that the southern continents are actually 1/4th of the size we have on our maps. I’m really curious how they accomplished that on say a 55 Belair before we had GPS?
 
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Have you seen the date on your Ist black & white picture of the earth :laughing:
LOL'z ...............The second one isn't much better either :laughing:
I didn’t post that picture. I wouldn’t waste my time with that.
 
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The Hebrew word Yovm is never once used in reference to an age or an era.
That's why it's symbolism.
Saying Genesis teaches that God created the earth in 144 hours - i.e 6 literal 24 hour periods - is reading into the text.
How did they measure a day before the sun and moon had been created on "day" 4?
 
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No the whole point of Genesis 1 and 2 was to provide the information that is provided in the chapters.
Genesis 1 is not a science textbook. It doesn't provide much information at all. HOW did God create something from nothing? How did he make trees - as seeds, saplings or fully grown? All God said was "let the land produce vegetation".
What about the animals; all babies that grew up? Did he make frogspawn and wait for that to develop into frogs? Did he create eggs and wait for them to hatch? Did he create 1 self pollinating plant and then let it get on with it?
See? No information at all.
 
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No, they are not all CGI, you just do not like what they show, so you claim this without any proof - which is biblically being a false witness, if you care about the Bible beyond the flat earth nonsense.
I very briefly got into arguing with flat earthers when I first saw a flat earth Youtube video. To be honest, I honestly thought it was a "test" to see if they could get a significant number of people to believe something utterly preposterous. It turns out they could. And "they" have been using that knowledge to troll us on all sorts of issues ever since. Don't believe me? What is a woman? ;)

But I stopped arguing the subject quite a while ago. I file it under the first quote in my sig. :cool:
 
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In thermoluminescent dating and radiometric dating scientists have to assume that at some point there was no isotope decay present in the material when it was first created. That’s where their calculations are thrown off. They’re expecting that at some point there was no decay present in the material and my position is that they must be wrong because we don’t know how much decay was present when it was created 6,000 years ago. We don’t know what these materials were exposed to during the creation process or how it would’ve affected them. Adam & Eve were created as adults, I think we can all agree with that. Their bodies showed signs of age even tho they were created in one day. I won’t even go into carbon dating because it’s dead, they’ve finally come to the realization that it’s not reliably accurate enough but they weren’t saying that 10 years ago were they? 10 years ago they had the best technology and carbon dating proved that the earth was old, now it’s considered obsolete and unreliable. The age of the earth has been changing according to scientists for over 150 years and every time they have another breakthrough anything other than their predicted age is considered absurd. Yet over and over they’ve managed to prove themselves wrong starting from 20 million years all the way up to 4.5 billion years. Look at how far they were off when they thought they knew it all 150 years ago. People need to realize that the age of the earth has not been proven to be over 6,000 years old, that’s just a prediction not a fact. They’re trying to look into the past according to what we see today. Let me give you an example. Let’s say we walk into a room and there’s a glass of water sitting under a dripping faucet and I ask you how long has that glass been there. You could calculate the amount of water that is dripping over time and conclude that it’s been there for 2 hours. Then in the corner of the room we see a camera pointed at the glass. We go and look at the video footage and see that someone came in, got a drink of water, then put the glass under the faucet half full just 5 minutes ago. Now before we had that information from the camera all the evidence suggested that the glass was there for two hours, it was a justifiable conclusion but the missing information revealed by the camera radically changed the conclusion despite the evidence we had before seeing it. So the evidence wasn’t wrong in the beginning only the conclusion we came to. In the same way the rate of decay we see in different isotopes might be correct but without knowing how much decay the material had 6,000 years ago it still doesn’t actually prove anything. I’m sure you hear about tree rings, the oldest tree we’ve found as of today is only 4,900 years old. I assume you’ve heard of ice layers. Ice layers aren’t formed by years they’re formed by freezing and melting temperatures which can happen several times per year. It all depends on how much snow fell between each melting period. Scientists say that the Big Bang took place 13.8 billion years ago, yet we can see light from stars 46 billion light years away. A light year is how far light can travel in one year. That’s a big discrepancy. The Bible says that God made the lights in the heavens to be signs of the seasons. Obviously these would be signs for man, not God. So naturally it wouldn’t make any sense to create stars that man couldn’t see if they were intended to be used by man as signs of the seasons. The Bible also says several times that God stretched out the heavens. So perhaps those stars weren’t as far away 6,000 years ago as they are today, not to mention that scientists do teach that the universe is expanding. They also say that 9 billion years ago the expansion decelerated and 4 billion years ago it accelerated again. That’s weird that objects traveling thru space would decelerate then accelerate again, very strange. I’ve looked into these things because I have to know if the creation account in Genesis has actually been proven wrong and it really hasn’t. The arguments I’ve encountered are, “you can’t assume that there was isotopic decay in materials from the beginning” which really isn’t a viable argument given the circumstances since we don’t know what these materials were exposed to and how it might affect the decay process. So I feel that my argument is just as viable as their’s. They’re saying the glass was empty when it was placed under the faucet and I’m saying you don’t know that for sure because I have a record from God Himself telling me when the glass was created and it wasn’t 4.5 billion years ago. So please understand that my reasoning is nothing like the flat earther’s reasoning because I’m not contradicting anything that is actual proof. My argument is actually a viable and plausible argument.
Your starting position is the literal reading of the mythological literature of the bronze age. You expect it to be an accurate record of how our universe works.

While the starting position of scientists is the effort to understand the world around us as it is.

You get into a conflict, which is not surprising, because the bronze age mythology is not very compatible with the pragmatic reality of the universe. And it does not have to be, because it serves a different purpose - its not a literal history, its a story. It does not need to be "proven wrong", like a Shakespeare play does not need to be proven wrong.
 
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You vision is not so good, if you think you are seeing a sun, moon and stars. That are thousands to million to billions of miles and light years away out in an outer space.

That is the biggest joke in all of this debate, is the claim by science that their creation is observed. It is observed all right, through fake photo manipulation and cgi.
Fake photos not as accurate as a drawing or story about a story or drawing...
 
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I didn’t post that picture. I wouldn’t waste my time with that.

My apologies, my post was aimed @trophy33 & not your good self .:)

I just wondered does trophy realize the date on his first black & white picture of earth he posted Lol'z
 
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Your starting position is the literal reading of the mythological literature of the bronze age. You expect it to be an accurate record of how our universe works.
My position is a biblical position. Can you say the same?
 
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My apologies, my post was aimed @trophy33 & not your good self .:)

I just wondered does trophy realize the date on his first black & white picture of earth he posted Lol'z
Sure I realize the date, thats why I posted it. I selected one old one (before any CGI) and one modern one, from a French astronaut who was on the ISS.

Do you have anything intelligent to say about them?
 
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Your starting position is the literal reading of the mythological literature of the bronze age. You expect it to be an accurate record of how our universe works.

While the starting position of scientists is the effort to understand the world around us as it is.

You get into a conflict, which is not surprising, because the bronze age mythology is not very compatible with the pragmatic reality of the universe. And it does not have to be, because it serves a different purpose - its not a literal history, its a story. It does not need to be "proven wrong", like a Shakespeare play does not need to be proven wrong.
Ok I just demonstrated how my position is plausible. If you disagree then I would expect you should have an argument to present to show where it is in error. Is there something specific in my argument about the dating methods that you would like to address?
 
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My position is a biblical position. Can you say the same?
What does that even mean? Bible contains mythology, poetry, symbolism, songs and many other things.

Our position can be either right or wrong. For example using mythology as science or poetry as literal theology is a wrong position, no matter its taken from the Bible.
 
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Is there something specific in my argument about the dating methods that you would like to address?
No, because I lack your motivation - I do not think the genre of Genesis has anything to do with such things. Thats why I have no motivation to attack (or defend) the mainstream scientific theories. I will gladly leave it to scientific debates.
 
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I very briefly got into arguing with flat earthers when I first saw a flat earth Youtube video. To be honest, I honestly thought it was a "test" to see if they could get a significant number of people to believe something utterly preposterous. It turns out they could. And "they" have been using that knowledge to troll us on all sorts of issues ever since. Don't believe me? What is a woman? ;)

But I stopped arguing the subject quite a while ago. I file it under the first quote in my sig. :cool:

Wrong - But don't worry, I forgive you.
 
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Your starting position is the literal reading of the mythological literature of the bronze age. You expect it to be an accurate record of how our universe works.

While the starting position of scientists is the effort to understand the world around us as it is.

You get into a conflict, which is not surprising, because the bronze age mythology is not very compatible with the pragmatic reality of the universe. And it does not have to be, because it serves a different purpose - it’s not a literal history, it’s a story. It does not need to be "proven wrong", like a Shakespeare play does not need to be proven wrong.
Where did Genesis come from? Did it come from the imagination of men, or did it come to man from God?
 
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You are laughing just because of your ignorance, which is rather shameful.

For example, this one is from 1960:

1960_first_tiros1_big.jpg


If you want something more modern and colorful, this one is from the ISS, sourced from a French astronaut Thomas Pesquet.


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You do realize the date on your first black & white photo :laughing:
The second one isn't that clever either.
 
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