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Flat Earth? Not Far From The Truth.

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I agree. But there is deception surrounding it. And it is important you know why this deception exists.

I don't believe that there is any deception.

If you believe all space pictures are a hoax you need to come up with a reason why they would carry out a very expensive hoax spanning numerous countries. Governments are not going to toss cash at something just for giggles.

And if it is some huge conspiracy hoax and it doesn't affect doctrine or salvation then it isn't worth time worrying over.
 
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Did you watch the video?

Did you see the message at the end?
 
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Did you watch the video?

Did you see the message at the end?

No I didn't see any, I am replying to your post back on the first page. I see the thread has been busy overnight -my overnight as I am on the opposite side of the globe!
 
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It is more creative though, I will give you that.

It has to be. It's the Creator's design.

Isn't it interesting how flat earthers were always teased about not having a working model wherein the sun never seemed to set, then a working model comes along and everyone cries bully?!
 
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Let's forget about my church. Show me how those scriptures were incomplete, incorrect and misapplied.

Very interested.
Are you? Very interested? Because from what I've seen so far you are not interested in what anyone has to say but yourself. I don't waste my time trying to teach people that have no interest in learning. And it happens that I have taught on these particular scriptures many, many times.

What I am interested in is how you keep avoiding the subject of to your own personal fruit, and ministry. You can't seem to give any of us a single reason to take anything you say seriously.
 
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Are you? Very interested?

Yes, very. Enlighten me please.

Because from what I've seen so far you are not interested in what anyone has to say but yourself.

Now, see? You know this is a lie. Why'd you have to go ahead and say it?

What I am interested in is how you keep avoiding the subject of to your own personal fruit, and ministry. You can't seem to give any of us a single reason to take anything you say seriously.

I believe I have you hooked on a thread built on foolish arguments. That's enough to conclude you take what I say seriously.
 
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Yes, very. Enlighten me please.



Now, see? You know this is a lie. Why'd you have to go ahead and say it?



I believe I have you hooked on a thread built on foolish arguments. That's enough to conclude you take what I say seriously.

The second two statements would seem to contradict the first. You have already called me a liar and claimed to know what I believe better than I do, yet you are going to be open to what I have to say?
 
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The second two statements would seem to contradict the first. You have already called me a liar and claimed to know what I believe better than I do, yet you are going to be open to what I have to say?

People lie once in a while. The same people say the truth sometimes.

Only the devil lies all the time.

You're not the devil, I presume?
 
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Let's forget about my church. Show me how those scriptures were incomplete, incorrect and misapplied.

Very interested.


Since you insist, here is a just a tiny bit, specifically regarding the two scriptures above:


So I'll go with the versions you used here. Do you think that these principles apply only to ONE type of stupid argument? Only one form of quarrel? Should we tolerate most "stupid" arguments, just not these specific ones? Or perhaps, they have to do with ANY argument that does not bring God glory, or worse yet, steals glory from God as biblical shape of the Earth arguments always do. So the Titus 3:9 would be just as accurate to read:

But don’t have anything to do with stupid arguments about [the shape of the Earth]. And stay away from disagreements and quarrels about the [the shape of the Earth]. Such arguments are useless and senseless. (CEV)

In fact notice the last line of the 2nd version (ERV) you posted ends. “These things are useless and will not help anyone”. Recall the multiple times I asked you: "how are you were helping anyone with all of this???"

Now, I noticed you conveniently left out the following 2 verses:
10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

Reject in the Greek here = advert by entreaty (earnest or humble request or petition), in other words, even when we reject someone who has behaved like this… you still do it nicely.

Divisive here means one who causes divisions, factious (like factions or clicks… perhaps like flat earth society type of clicks… yeah, yeah I know you are not a flat earther), or false doctrine (like perhaps what I and others have been asserting that the Bible does NOT talk about the shape of the Earth at all)

Admonition = an authorities counsel or warning. Part of what gives someone authority to give such a warning (as mentioned previously in Titus) is their fruit, hence my repeated requests for you to demonstrate your fruit and your ministry, which you repeatedly ignore.

2 Cor 10:5
casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ

arguments = reasoning hostile to the Christian faith

exalts itself = to be lifted up with pride

knowledge of God = general Christian knowledge, things lawful and unlawful for Christians and moral wisdom such as seen in right living

So, with this understanding 2 Cor 10:5 is saying:
we should cast down any prideful reasoning that is hostile to the Christian faith and goes against our basic understanding of Christianity and argues in a way that goes against the way we should act as Christians.

It is been my contention over and over again that trying to force the Bible to make a stance on the shape of the Earth (no matter the shape) steals glory from God, diminishes the power of the cross and the person of the Holy Spirit. Couple that with your behavior here - prideful and demeaning of others -and Titus 3 and 2 Cor 10:5 are clearly saying we should reject and cast down every argument you are making.

So how are you misguided? Those scriptures you just quoted are not supporting you, they are rebuking you, yet you cannot see it.

Now let’s see how eagerly that is received.
 
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