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Saw this in a FB Feed dealing with curvature, it's good for showing the scaling I think.

Using a Weather Balloon at 90K Feet high.
Distance to Horizon is about 1,943,040 Feet. (or 368 Miles)
But just how much of an area is that?
It's the red circle on the blue sphere (blue sphere is scaled to the earth's size)
 
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That should debunk any photos showing curvature at that altitude, then?
 
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They cannot even explain the movements of the sun, moon and planets without invoking magical thinking. Newton's laws of gravity and motion, which are all independently verified, explain all this with great accuracy.
 
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Can any of you flat earthers please explain how the Super Blue Blood Moon occurs on a flat earth?
"It gets bigger and brighter, because God wants it to!"

But you would more likely get something among the lines of: "That is easy to explain! That is so easy to explain that I know you aren't going to take the answer seriously! I'm not even going to bother trying to explain because you aren't actually interested in learning!"
 
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Space time is curved, hence the flat earth appears curved, appearances can be deceptive.
 
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Space time is curved, hence the flat earth appears curved, appearances can be deceptive.

Best post all day long. I needed a good laugh.
 
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They cannot even explain the movements of the sun, moon and planets without invoking magical thinking. Newton's laws of gravity and motion, which are all independently verified, explain all this with great accuracy.

The generally agreed flat earth "map" of the world is hilarious as well in that is was obviously crafted by someone who lives in the Northern hemisphere, so it becomes laughably ridiculous when applied to the Southern hemisphere - like showing that Europe is closer to Australia than South America
 
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And yet, I've interacted with Australian flat Earth believers.
 
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I have heard a couple people creating posts about the flat earth theory, can anyone give some opinions on this theory please
i want a different perspective on what people belive

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I can prove to you mathematically. I did it on here (with work, and plenty explanation,) but it usually gets missed or ignored.

Everyone arguing a flat earth is saying the same thing as people arguing a globe earth. The math is the same.
 
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They cannot even explain the movements of the sun, moon and planets without invoking magical thinking. Newton's laws of gravity and motion, which are all independently verified, explain all this with great accuracy.
None of that is true. It may be true to your limited experience, but when you ivoke "they", you stopped knowing what you were talking about.
 
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None of that is true. It may be true to your limited experience, but when you ivoke "they", you stopped knowing what you were talking about.

From my career experience as a physicist and mathematician, it is all true.
 
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The atmosphere rotates with the earth for the most part but there are rotational effects like the Coreolis Force that affects the direction of rotation of cyclonic storms in the northern and southern hemispheres.
 
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None of that is true. It may be true to your limited experience, but when you ivoke "they", you stopped knowing what you were talking about.
Earlier in this very thread you endorsed tone as an excuse to avoid answering a straight forward and simple question about the motion of the Sun.
 
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The ancients were doing real mathematics: analysis, [differential] geometry, topology, analysis and number theory.

The ancients were not doing differential geometry since that was first developed in the 18th and 19th centuries. It was not possible till then since it required an understanding of differential and intergral calculus which was developed by Newton in the 17th century.
 
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That is why i put "differential" in brackets. They were experts in geometry, and many Arabs, Chinese, Greek, Phoenician and Sumerian mathematicians were solving problems in differential geometry before it was known as differential geometry.

1. "Differential" existed before Leibniz/Calculus - because the "differential" is a measure of a change of a function. It is a k-form; the ancients we familiar with differential forms in different nomenclature.

2. Calculus is a few story built upon ancient mathematics already know, but only deciphered in the West between the Dark Ages (in the West,) and the Renaissance. Differential applications to algebra and geometry can (and often are) explained without using differential notation. Algebra (graduate algebra) explains the spread of mathematics in a way in which calculus is a side-show; the fundamentals of uniqueness (for example) are the focus.

3. You actually begin to learn math when you begin to take an analysis course, or an algebra course beyond introduction to linear algebra. Topology, Algebra I & II, Theory, and Analysis are the courses that coalesce the past knowledge of the ancient mathematicians with modernity in practice and interpretation.


This is why the whole argument about a flat/spherical earth is ludicrous to a mathematician. Topologically, both parties are saying the same thing.
 
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