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Yes, and it is good you know that.My interest is in the interface between science and religion. For me there is no differentiation, science is one of God's gifts and we need to use it wisely. I wanted to join in on a thread on this subject, but there are so many that I am starting my own.
To begin, there is no way in the reality of our physical observation of the earth it cannot be a sphere. Anyone who argues against that are ignorant. No disrespect there, we are all ignorant when we do not know about something.
God gave us the gift of science, and science is telling us that the earth is a sphere.
This argument must be shelved,, unless God encourages us to continue it.
Well I cannot tell you the true nature of the earth as I have never seen it from the outside looking in. And sadly the only pictures we supposedly have of earth are all computer graphic images...that in itself will make one wonder why we don't have a real picture if the earth is truly the way we are told it is.
From a biblical standpoint I can say that the very first mention of the earth is in Genesis 1:1 and the second mention is Genesis 1:9-13 and neither mention the shape of the earth at all; Job 22:14 states that the sky is circular; Job 26:10 and Proverbs 8:27 state that the waters are circular; Isaiah 40:22 states that God sits above the circle of the earth; and, Revelation 7:1 & 20:8 state that the earth has four corners. From this we may conclude that the heavens and the seas are circular while the earth is square. I say this because while a circle and a sphere are circular and round: a circle is a two dimensional plane figure while a sphere is a three dimensional solid figure. And in the case of a square it always has four corners whereas a cube has eight corners. The circle and square are also the only two dimensional objects which are 360 Degrees by nature.
Unless I missed any passages of scripture giving the shape of the heavens, the earth, and the seas or the ones I have cited are incorrect: the Bible is clearly showing us our earth is flat.
And let's not forget that during the war against the Amalekites God ordered the Sun and Moon to stop moving...not the earth (Joshua 10:12-14).
Well my thoughts on it I shared in posts #25 and #26. Below are the passages in the Bible which describe the earth having four corners:
Revelation 20:8
Revelation 7:1
Acts 13:47
Ezekiel 7:2
Jeremiah 31:8
Jeremiah 25:32
Isaiah 43:6
Isaiah 41:9
Isaiah 11:12
Job 38:13
Job 37:3
Now in nature the only shapes which qualify as having four corners are the square, rectangle, rhombus, and trapezoid: which are all two dimensional plane figures. The circle of the earth referred to in Isaiah 40:22 refers to the same circle mentioned in Proverbs 8:27 and Job 26:10 which all point to the waters having a circle drawn around them. This brings up the problem of squaring the circle:
The Bible is not flat.
99% of the population experiences a flat earth experience.
Your writing desk has more curve than the earth does.
So you are wrong in your statement.
Flat is 99.9% correct.
I doubt you can cut a board flatter than the earth is.
Yes, I have seen Africa. On thousands photos, videos, movies etc. So I can imagine the subject. Both me and I were unable to find even a one photo of the phenomenon you want to discuss, thats the difference. I am unable to imagine it, because its so rare.To take a slice out of the WKRP episode.... Have you seen Africa? Then, if you have never seen it in your life.... can you not talk about it?
Do you only discuss things that you have seen? Or seen a picture of? How about atoms, electrons, the Van Allen belt? Gravity waves, Black holes?
So why did you bark "INTERPRETATION" twice in this thread? Doesn't your avatar say you're like a puppy which needs guidance, and that is why you're lost for words?
You think that you think by breathing?Well we are getting beside the point of the discussion of this thread but, to answer your question it is not a matter of whether one has an organic heart (flesh and blood) or an inorganic heart (not of flesh and blood). Scripture clearly tells us that God breathed into man's nostrils the breath of life and, since we know that the heart pumps oxygen (air) throughout the body it follows that God created the heart to keep the breath of life He blew into our nostrils to keep flowing. It is very simple when you take time to meditate on it and observe your own breathing and heartbeat: your nose inhales new air, your blood carries it to the heart, the heart pumps it out to the rest of the body, you exhale, and begin the process all over again.
If you are going to make a claim about me being in error then it stands that you must present your case. I can only imagine the types of arguments you'll make in the court of law...sigh...please see post #132 where I replied to our brother MartyF.Your interpretation of said scripture is wrong.
Its amazing how many 'experts' we have on these forums when it comes to interpreting scripture. Each believing that only they have the correct view.
Flat earth is as true as the moon is made out of cheese!
God gave us science. Science can prove the earth is a sphere.
As long as you can think, you are alive: for Life comes from God.You think that you think by breathing?
Well, do you accept any knowledge or experience that is not written in the Bible?
Please see my response to our brother MartyF in post #132 of this thread.YWU, it's not about finding Scripture that refutes Scripture which allegedly says that God believes the earth is flat. Since God is the Creator He knows what He created, and it's not a flat earth. So, He felt no need to place Scripture as an apologia for the earth as we know it.
What it is, like so much of the misunderstood Bible, is a matter of understanding what is written. Like I said in a prior post there are plenty of explanations to give greater understanding to the verses you claim support your flat earth belief. I suggested a website to you that has 200 of them. I'm assuming you haven't gone there with a learning spirit.
So, here is a sample from the website:
But the important thing to remember is what I said about an apparent contradiction or anomaly in the Bible. If a verse in Scripture appears to say that God believes the earth is flat when it is just so blazingly obvious it is an oblate spheroid then we need to take another look at that verse to see if we were understanding it right. That's what the folks at creation.com have done.
For those arguing against the earth having or not having a curve should consider the description of what the Bible describe the horizon as a circle which compasses the heavens and the waters and compare it with the description of the earth having four corners (see post #182 for my reasons on this). One will see right away that we are being introduced to the problem of squaring the circle or even attempting to inscribe the circle inside a square and vice versa. With this theory in mind one would not be able to see the bounds of the waters, the earth, or the heavens unless we are able to travel to those ends. And this aligns with scripture which says:
"He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is His mercy toward them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions from us."
- Psalms 103:10-12
We see here from the words of king David that the ends of the heavens and the earth are unsearchable and, that the width from east to west is greater than height from earth to heaven. Therefore those who believe in the Word of God and wish to hold to a flat or spherical earth having certain measurements must prove how they arrived to their measurements without having gone to the ends of the heavens and the earth themselves. If a person does not know the exact measurement of the heavens and the earth then it follows that things we create will never tell us the exact measurement of the earth from any place which we are located between the heavens and the earth.
It should be noted brother that Norman70 in his OP is not separating science from God, nor have I. Furthermore I am showing with my proofs how the Bible indeed teaches us many scientific principles which we may observe in nature.Again, its how 'you' interpret that scripture. I read it differently. I see it differently.
You also have to remember the time it was written in. People had little understanding of these things. God could not explain to them in detail as they would be completely dumbfounded.
Today, God works with us through science too.
One other point which I forgot to address that you brought up concerning God not being able to explain to our ancient ancestors what He would want them to know. Are you truly limiting God with your limited understanding? God had no problem explaining Himself to mankind at anytime, we on the other hand have proven repeatedly that we wish to disobey or not understand Him. We see this through the prophets and different men and women who asked God for understanding when they did not understand certain things.Again, its how 'you' interpret that scripture. I read it differently. I see it differently.
You also have to remember the time it was written in. People had little understanding of these things. God could not explain to them in detail as they would be completely dumbfounded.
Today, God works with us through science too.
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