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doofus125

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Does anyone know where I can find a flash bios update for award bios....
11/11/97-i440lx-2a69jb09c-00

I'm trying to put a PII 450mhz processor on the board, but it's only recognizeing it as a PII 300mhz and that is the processer that came out of the system and there isn't anywhere in the bios to change the processor speed. Any help would be appreciated because I contacted Award and they wanted $70 to update the bios to the newest version which I don't need, I just need something newer than what it's got.
 

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Hi Doff,

Trunks is right, you may not need a new Bios, you may just need to set the jumpers on your MotherBoard for the new CPU. There are two jumpers that will need to be set, one is the clock speed, the other is the multiplier. The only real way to set these correctly to get a copy of the manual for you MotherBoard and it will tell you how all the jumpers need to be set for a specific CPU clock speed.

Almost all Motherboard manuals are available online somewhere.

I would HIGHLY recommend that you get the manual before you try to flash the BOIS. If you make a mistake flashing the BIOS or something goes wrong during the flash, you will turn you computer into a boat anchor.

Grace & Peace,
Kreij
 
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doofus125 said:
I would try this, but it is above my ability I believe..... :sigh:

Well first check to see if there really if what I said is the case with your motherboard. Because if it is, I don't think installing new bios is going to help, as the clock speed is set physically. I believe the jumpers and switches are more common in older systems. Just open up the case and look at the CPU, see if there's a set of jumpers or switches right next to it. If there are, look for the motehrboard manual to see how to set them.
 
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I went to the manufacturer and there was no information on the board at all. I've found that the manufacturer of the computer went out of business (Quantex) so there isn't any information there. I've exausted all resources and I think I'm just going to get another motherboard that will support the processor I'm trying to install.

Also, does anyone know if I put the 450mhz processor in and if it still reads as 300mhz will it only perform at 300? Or will it just cause problems to leave it in like it is?
 
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doofus125 said:
Also, does anyone know if I put the 450mhz processor in and if it still reads as 300mhz will it only perform at 300? Or will it just cause problems to leave it in like it is?

I'm reading your questions two different ways, so I'll answer them both ways.

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Short answer:
Running a 450MHZ chip at 300MHZ will not cause any problems other than the system running slower than it should.

More involved answer:

The clock tells the chip when to perform it's actions. The clocks speeds are set, with leeway, so that it has enough time to ensure that it can complete the actions.

A very, very basic example: lets say that it takes 1 nano-second to read 2 numbers from a register, 3 ns to perform some simple mathmatical calculation on those numbers, and 1ns to put the result back in a register. to save time, these steps are not performed in a single cycle, but rather happen in stages called a pipeline. So the clock cycle needs to be at least 3ns long (this clock speed is transferred over into Hertz, which is just how many clock cycles per second there are). This ensures that the read, write, and calculation can be performed. If the clock cycle is any shorter than 3ns, there will not be enough time to perform the calculation, so you end up storing the wrong value. If the clock cycle is any longer, you end up finishing well before you can perform the next action, so you have wasted time. This is what you are doing by running a 450MHZ chip at 300MHZ.

Note: Of course, things are much more complicated than I illustrated above. CPUs are given a good amount of leeway and can be "overclocked" (decreasing the length of a clock cycle) by a decent margin without making things happen too fast. There are also safeguards built in to the chip to make sure that things happen correctly, if the clock cycle is too fast, it will adjust itself by letting several cycles go until the proper action is performed, this results in a maximum performance and over clocking too much can in fact cause a decrease in performance. I'll leave the rest of my overclocking rant for another day.

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Well the processor you have is kinda old. So you're going to be have to get an older motherboard. AFAIK, on older motherboards, you need to set the clock speed yourself, whether it be by adjusting jumpers/switches or by doing it in the bios. More modern motherboards will automatically set the clock to the chip, in a good amount of the mid to lower-end boards, you're stuck with the MOBOs automatic setting unless you upgrade bios or something.
 
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doofus125 said:
Can someone recommend a board that isn't going to cost much, preferablly new?

I need an AGP slot, and at least 3 PCI, and at least 1 ISA......it's a Slot 1 PII 450mhz and be able to support PC100 ram and at least a 30gig hard drive?

Well your chip is old. It's going to be hard to find a new board to support it. Especially since you're using SD RAM, most new boards support only DDR ram. Gimmie a bit and I'll see what I can find.
 
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doofus125 said:
I went to the manufacturer and there was no information on the board at all. I've found that the manufacturer of the computer went out of business (Quantex) so there isn't any information there. I've exausted all resources and I think I'm just going to get another motherboard that will support the processor I'm trying to install.

Also, does anyone know if I put the 450mhz processor in and if it still reads as 300mhz will it only perform at 300? Or will it just cause problems to leave it in like it is?
Yes, it will perform as a 300 MHz number one

Second I doubt you'll find a BIOS update for it now.. UNLESS you can get me the FCC-ID number or model number off the board, then I will track down the vendor and see what stuff they have.

Third, you won't find a motherboard now that supports that CPU. Nothing new anyways. You'll have to go either used or upgrade your rig to P4 class.
 
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Thanks Guys.....I will have to take the board out to get that info, I will do that tomorrow morning since I am off to work now. A friend of mine gave me this system to fix for another friend so that he can have a computer to get online and I've already spent $100 out of my pocket just to get the hard drive and processor and more memory, I found a new PII 450mhz processor for $12.....and they have more in stock, lol......I should have researched this a little bit better before I jumped into it, but I've been so busy that I just went overboard I think :(
 
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Speaking of Motherboards, hear's a nice upgrade path :)

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pgp_protector said:
Speaking of Motherboards, hear's a nice upgrade path :)

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amen to that. thats a good deal :)

as has been said, it most likely isnt your BIOS thats the limit. its more likely to be the jumper settings. if you still have the book (user guide) that came with the motherboard it 'should' have how to change it in there.
 
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There are no books or cd's with this computer, I'm the 3rd person to possess this system and I only have it to upgrade and repair it for someone else. I'm considering since I have to upgrade the motherboard to just go with a bigger processor than the 450mhz I got, maybe a PIII 650mhz or so, that way I can still use everything else.


Can someone recommend a board to go with either of these two slot 1 processors....

http://www.compuvest.us/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=7469&CategoryCode=CPU_IP3

http://www.compuvest.us/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=7466&CategoryCode=CPU_IP3

One of them is a SECC and the other is an SECC2
 
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