Fixing CC

[free2be]

Lots of insight.

Fact is though... all of this is dependent on the direction set by the new CEO.

If it stays as is I think CC will find it hard to fend off those who prefer a "tolerant" site where the undefined term "Christian" can cloak unrepentant sin and outright heresy.

That's it. That's exactly it. The new CEO hasn't had a chance to do anything yet. And, from what I've read of him, he's FOR us. Maybe we're jumping the gun. Maybe we need to talk about rainbows, cotton candy (which I love, btw ) and yes, chocolate chip cookies, until we see what he's doing with it...'cause in the end, all this won't matter.

 

[Nadiine]

That's it. That's exactly it. The new CEO hasn't had a chance to do anything yet. And, from what I've read of him, he's FOR us. Maybe we're jumping the gun. Maybe we need to talk about rainbows, cotton candy (which I love, btw ) and yes, chocolate chip cookies, until we see what he's doing with it...'cause in the end, all this won't matter.

That's very possible and i HOPE SO Free!!

Hey, pass me a chocolate chip cookie ok? lol and while I eat that, lets talk about butterflies flying over the bright rainbow.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Closed

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Thread is re-opened

All the arguments and debates have been moved here if you want to carry on arguing

But, back to the thread's purpose. Discussing how to make CC well again. Cos it was a light, and it can be again

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Ok..I'm asking forgiveness as well. I know I've offended both Julio and Nadiine, and I'm sorry. I hope you can forgive me. And that's not fake. I'll even admit something to you Julio. I AM a baby. Just ask my four older brothers! They'll tell you that I cry when I see an animal hurt. I cry when I see people I love hurting. And that doesnt stop on this board. When people are hurting, I cry for them and with them. I cry for Time...his wife just died! He's grieving. So yes, I'm an emotional baby. And that's how God made me so...

The purpose of CC is and always has been since it was first created, Fellowship.

this forum was created so that conservatives could have a Home Forum where they could talk amongst themselves without being either attacked as biggoted hate mongers, nor constantly forced to defend the basic tenets of their faith (absolute truth, the authority and inspiration of scripture, the traditional understandings of our faith regarding moral issues etc).

I don't think this place was ever intended to be an outreach, or a platform from which to address the rest of the forums. We are always a witness, and probably the best witness is just when people come here and see us as we are, relating to and discussing with each other. The "real" us as it were.

I respect that people want to be a light in the new FU and want to work for change in the current situation. That stuff can be talked about here, but at the same time, I don't think the point of this place is to export conservatism to the rest of the forum. If that is what we are called to do, then we should do it by actually going out to the other forums and engaging people there.

What I want out of this forum is simply a place to hang out and chat with other conservatives on topics of interest to me. To fellowship, to encourage and to be encouraged.

As usual Simon...you hit the nail on the head. This is what CC was made for...fellowship. It's about focusing on what we have in common...Jesus.

I personaly joined because in all of what was CF there was never a place to literally "hang out"

Personally I don't think CC should have a purpose other then a hang out for Conservative Christians.

Yes...exactly!

This is what I'm here for as well. I feel if people wish to debate there are other forums for it. If they want to rally the troops...do it in your congregational forum. This is not the forum to do that in!

As for fellowship with libs...why is this even an issue? Granted...I don't want to unite with them. They don't either. But we can be friendly toward each other cant we?

The amount of hate I see from some of our members here saddens me. I don't know if its from past hurts, bitterness or what...but it needs to stop. Please.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I agree totally with Lady Trekki. Not only is she great looking, but she has a great heart, too.

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I agree totally with Lady Trekki. Not only is she great looking, but she has a great heart, too.

Who's great looking?

Me? Well...thanks lil lady!

Oh...by the way. I signed back into the forum today. Hope you do too...soon. But I understand your reasons.

 

[rmw8855]

Who's great looking?

Me? Well...thanks lil lady!

Oh...by the way. I signed back into the forum today. Hope you do too...soon. But I understand your reasons.

Welcome back partner

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Welcome back partner

Thanks!

 

[BelindaP]

s all around.

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

s all around.

 

[BelindaP]

Time has requested that I post this for him. I hope it's OK. If not, please remove.

I sent thisto several other CC'ers

its a solution i think may help our problem... itll follow a message i would ask you as my sister to post on the board for me

i would like for you to relay this to the board...

I thank you for everyone asking that i receive a fair chance. God bless you and thank you for speaking out for me, i love you and respect you deeply.

I would like to ask that everyone just know this, Im not afraid to come out and say what happened even in detal, i have nothing to fear.

I will start a thread On my return in the main forum so that everyone inside and outside the forum can know whats up. I will cover the basic facts of the case and i will give my viewpoint and we can all talk about it

Several here know already and i dont mind if they forward the info to fellow CC members, you deserve to lknow.

I will be happy to answer anything i am able and try to be as upfront as is possible

For now, would everyone continue talking about solutions to the forum, THIS imho should be our main issue

and i believe i have a possible solution to offer... i sent this out to some of you by pm... maybe we can post it and you guys can discuss its merits or demerits, nevertheless i offer it as a compromise and maybe we can just all love and hug and this compromise will allow us to do other things as well so that we operate as a WHOLE community,,,

God bless i love you all

I think i have a possible solution to offer CC too

ive been reading the thread that has turned somewhat productive maybe?

I have been thinking, and i cant post so i am sending this to as many as i can


I have a suggestion i want to offer you that may offer a good all round solution that would work for and serve everyone, and i believe make everyone happy

Create 2 more subforums. One a private councelling forum that is only used for private issues when someone is having personal problems. This can be carefully guarded so that it isnt abused or also so that people are assured of complete privacy. If they are having personal, emotional, marriage problems, any kind of spiritual problem, they can be given a 'key' to use is. Let is be open to any one individual from any forum if they are invited by the one needing councelling. But only CC members can initiate the thread, ask for councelling and they can invite someone from any other forum or ours up to maybe 5 councellors. Let a moderator make each thread password protected if neccessary and allow them all to be deleted once the councelling is over.

Then we can create another sub forum password protected that is stricly CC, no outsiders at all allowed in. It can be used to discuss private issues or conservative agenda for folks like us that do want to persue definitions and eliminating heresy politically and in debate. It will allow for safe fellowship as a safe getaway for every CC member, while our main forum can be used for the agenda of an outreach and a place where people from other forums can come fellowship

We already have the subdebate forum, for debate, so this leaves the main forum relatively as some folks are working toward.

I think our agendas are conflicting and this is the main problem

It will take a little discussion and work, but i believe saving CC is worth the work

 

[Sylvanspirits]

I'm feeling led to post a restructured version of an old post of mine...

Sermon time!

I've noticed that the CC forum has been heating up with a lot of ugly disagreements. Everyone will remain unnamed, as that is not the purpose of this thread. While I realize I am not a member of CC, I believe that this needed to be said. Mods may delete or edit my post as they see fit.

Why are we bickering among ourselves? (While I prefer the King James Version, these are from the New International Version for the sake of easier reading. Christ said in Mark 29-31 that "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these."

What, then, is love? 1st Corinthians 13:4-7 tells us that "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."

Let us rejoice in the truth - that truth being that one of the greatest commandments is to love our neighbor, even the neighbors we may not agree with, even those that we believe are in sin. For Christ said in Mark 2:17 that "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

In the words of the Lord, "Come now, let us reason together" - excerpt from Isaiah 1:18.

I will not post my position, as I am not a member of this forum and intend to respect the rules against debating by non-members. This is intended to be completely neutral, and is not intended to be slanted towards or against anyone. Hower, I would ask that those who do debate please do not let their disagreements divide them. I hope that honest concerns about things can be addressed without such anger and strife. I would ask everyone to think about what they post before they do so. Consider the viewpoint of the other person. Listen to what others have to say. Pray about it.

God bless you all.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

You're such a sweetheart, Sylvan

Thank you

 

[Angel4Truth]

That's what I mentioned too - different people have different ideas for this place - one wants the influx of liberals & is happy to bring it, others came here for a safe haven of like minded conservatives...

There's already some conservs. sharing that this stifles their participation....
The vision is different and the 2 sides butt heads.

The purpose of CC is and always has been since it was first created, Fellowship.

this forum was created so that conservatives could have a Home Forum where they could talk amongst themselves without being either attacked as biggoted hate mongers, nor constantly forced to defend the basic tenets of their faith (absolute truth, the authority and inspiration of scripture, the traditional understandings of our faith regarding moral issues etc).

I don't think this place was ever intended to be an outreach, or a platform from which to address the rest of the forums. We are always a witness, and probably the best witness is just when people come here and see us as we are, relating to and discussing with each other. The "real" us as it were.

I respect that people want to be a light in the new FU and want to work for change in the current situation. That stuff can be talked about here, but at the same time, I don't think the point of this place is to export conservatism to the rest of the forum. If that is what we are called to do, then we should do it by actually going out to the other forums and engaging people there.

What I want out of this forum is simply a place to hang out and chat with other conservatives on topics of interest to me. To fellowship, to encourage and to be encouraged.
Personally I tend to enjoy friendly debate, and theological/doctrinal conversations more than the fluffy stuff, but thats just where my interest lies. I have no problem with those who like that stuff doing it to their heart's content. I'll drop in to what looks interesting to me and partake.
Its the hard, cold conservative in me, I'm sure, but I can't take warm fuzzy conversations for too long or my skin starts to feel creepy.

This place, for me, is a place to hang out and encourage fellow theological conservatives.

Observation: It seems when a member of CC takes a strong stand for conservative theology in the WIKIs there is a response not only in the WIKIs but those opposing come here to extend the response.

I sent thisto several other CC'ers

its a solution i think may help our problem... itll follow a message i would ask you as my sister to post on the board for me

i would like for you to relay this to the board...

I thank you for everyone asking that i receive a fair chance. God bless you and thank you for speaking out for me, i love you and respect you deeply.

I would like to ask that everyone just know this, Im not afraid to come out and say what happened even in detal, i have nothing to fear.

I will start a thread On my return in the main forum so that everyone inside and outside the forum can know whats up. I will cover the basic facts of the case and i will give my viewpoint and we can all talk about it

Several here know already and i dont mind if they forward the info to fellow CC members, you deserve to lknow.

I will be happy to answer anything i am able and try to be as upfront as is possible

For now, would everyone continue talking about solutions to the forum, THIS imho should be our main issue

and i believe i have a possible solution to offer... i sent this out to some of you by pm... maybe we can post it and you guys can discuss its merits or demerits, nevertheless i offer it as a compromise and maybe we can just all love and hug and this compromise will allow us to do other things as well so that we operate as a WHOLE community,,,

God bless i love you all

I think i have a possible solution to offer CC too

ive been reading the thread that has turned somewhat productive maybe?

I have been thinking, and i cant post so i am sending this to as many as i can


I have a suggestion i want to offer you that may offer a good all round solution that would work for and serve everyone, and i believe make everyone happy

Create 2 more subforums. One a private councelling forum that is only used for private issues when someone is having personal problems. This can be carefully guarded so that it isnt abused or also so that people are assured of complete privacy. If they are having personal, emotional, marriage problems, any kind of spiritual problem, they can be given a 'key' to use is. Let is be open to any one individual from any forum if they are invited by the one needing councelling. But only CC members can initiate the thread, ask for councelling and they can invite someone from any other forum or ours up to maybe 5 councellors. Let a moderator make each thread password protected if neccessary and allow them all to be deleted once the councelling is over.

Then we can create another sub forum password protected that is stricly CC, no outsiders at all allowed in. It can be used to discuss private issues or conservative agenda for folks like us that do want to persue definitions and eliminating heresy politically and in debate. It will allow for safe fellowship as a safe getaway for every CC member, while our main forum can be used for the agenda of an outreach and a place where people from other forums can come fellowship

We already have the subdebate forum, for debate, so this leaves the main forum relatively as some folks are working toward.

I think our agendas are conflicting and this is the main problem

It will take a little discussion and work, but i believe saving CC is worth the work

What they said especially the part in red. This is conservative christians not wwmc light or moderate forums.

Debate needs to be limited to the debate section and if people visiting cannot respect that then they need to be limited from posting here. Secondly those who arent really conservatives ask yourself before God if what you are doing is right. Cf fell apart because of the same thing thats starting here as well.

And God bless you all.

 

[icedtea]

Amen, Angel.

 

[FriendsFellowship]

Ironically, a good portion of the debate lately has been amongst our members

The main CC forum may benefit if it was entirely debate free. All of us, even members, can debate in the debate sub-forum if we are so inclined.

This would leave the main CC forum for fellowship, worship and edification.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Which is only evidence of the words of Jesus being fulfilled in our midst which were:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." Matthew 10:34-36

The Sword (which IS the Word of God) will separate that which is of the flesh from that which is of the Spirit. Hebrews 4:12

Universalism and Liberalism is of the flesh. That which is of the flesh can only ever be flesh and can only beget more of the same. That which is of the spirit can only ever be spirit and it produces the same.

The world has a couple of sayings that are true,
"no matter by what name a bird is called, birds of a feather flock together." and
"by any other name, a Rose smells the same."
and another... "if you hang with people who play pool, eventually you will play pool too."

The will of the flesh wars against the will of the spirit.
The Word says that their agendas are contrary to one another. Galatians 5:17

We need to feed the one we want to survive and starve the other.

We are instructed to make no provision for the flesh.
Romans 13:14

We are not to unify with and try to make peace with the flesh or its representatives, regardless of how soft and woolly they are, but rather come out from among them and be separated as free servants unto the Lord and not subdued again to the yoke of bondage of the sin of the flesh 2 Corinthians 6:17 creeping in unawares and not sparing the flock.
Acts 20:29-30
"I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock. Even some men from your own group will rise up and distort the truth in order to draw a following."

Let us not be deceived by the "honey" that drips from their lips.

Jesus said, "This people draw nigh unto me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 15:8

The only way Christians have peace among themselves is when they unify according to the will of the Spirit of God, renewing their minds with the Word of God. And by the Holy Spirit, we are being transformed as the flesh is crucified with Christ and the spirit is fed the Bread of Life simultaneously, having relationship with the Lord, fleeing from religion and religiosity.

Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. The power thereof referred to there produces fruits unto righteousness, not more sin and it doesn't call that which God has said is abomination, holy. Workers of Evil, the Bible call them evil-doers do that.

We do not have company with those that look to overthrow the work of the cross. Do not be deceived. Yes Jesus supped with sinners, but He did NOT sup with those that wanted to kill Him, or thwart His ministry.
Let us open our eyes and get the true perspective of what is actually happening.
(not just in this community of Foru.ms, but in the world today on a whole).


1 Timothy 3:1-5

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Let us be a light unto the world, a city lit up on a hill, raising the standard as Christ's ambassadors on the earth, not of the earth that they might see our works that are righteous as unto the Lord and give the glory to our Father in heaven. Matthew 5:14-16

If those who walk in the flesh want unity, they will have to deny their need of the flesh for the approval of men and walk rather after the Spirit (Romans 8:4)and seek therefore the approval of God and subject themselves to the holy standard that God has laid before us, and remove the old wine skin and put on the new wine skin who is Christ the righteous to receive the new wine, which is the things of the Spirit. amen! Luke 5:36-38

Let the redeemed of the Lord say so whom He has redeemed from the enemy! Psalm 107:2

Shall we continue to walk in darkness now that we have been in the presence of the Light? God forbid.

The Word says in 2 Peter, it would be better if we had never known the way of righteousness, than after we had known it to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto us. (2 Peter 2:21)

Oh .... I meant to add this also.....
The Word says, "Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3

Ironically, a good portion of the debate lately has been amongst our members

The main CC forum may benefit if it was entirely debate free. All of us, even members, can debate in the debate sub-forum if we are so inclined.

This would leave the main CC forum for fellowship, worship and edification.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I second that Angel!

Amen, Angel.

 

[IamRedeemed]

That is rhetorical ? right?

We know the plan of the enemy, and we know why we would be a target. He already has most of 4U in his grasp. We pose a threat to the kingdom of darkness, because we set our candle high so that everyone in the house might have light. And the light shines in the darkness and the darkness can't comprehend it, so it tries to cover it or stomp it out..... as if pfffft.

This forum needs to make a corporate decision on whom this day it will serve. If it be God, let it therefore be God.
If those in darkness are content in the company of the light let whosoever will come, listen and learn.

But if any come to dim the light, or come preaching the doctrines of men, let them be cast from among us
or let us separate ourselves from them.

It is just like how the Bible instructs us if we find ourselves in an unequally yoked marriage. If the unbelieving spouse (which can be one who says they do believe) is content to stay with the believer, do not divorce, but if they
are discontented, and they depart, let them depart.

I'm wondering what other denoms. that our liberal friends are visiting often & regularly?
7th day adventists? Lutheran? Baptist? Mormon? JW?
Or is the draw to CC only? and if so, WHY the pull here?

Observation: It seems when a member of CC takes a strong stand for conservative theology in the WIKIs there is a response not only in the WIKIs but those opposing come here to extend the response.