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Why would it disturb me? What disturbs me is people taking that to mean that the Catholic Church is of similar authority as the Scriptures.Saint Paul is the one who said that the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. If that disturbs you then your are disturbed by the teaching of Christ in the holy scriptures.
These things I write to thee, hoping that I shall come to thee shortly. But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.1 Timothy 3:14-16 DRB
In other words, to you, the church is of equal authority with Scripture, if not of more authority, it being "the pillar and ground of truth"?
Saint Paul is the one who said that the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. If that disturbs you then your are disturbed by the teaching of Christ in the holy scriptures.
These things I write to thee, hoping that I shall come to thee shortly. But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.1 Timothy 3:14-16 DRB
The context makes it obvious why it looks like it disturbs you; it's because you did an "in other words" spin on one of my posts and the spin depended on it being "the pillar and ground of truth"? which is what the scriptures call the Church. That I identify the Church with the Catholic Church seems to be upsetting to you if one is to judge by the things you write.Why would it disturb me? What disturbs me is people taking that to mean that the Catholic Church is of similar authority as the Scriptures.
As the story goes, there will be three surprises when we get to Heaven. We will be surprised by the people who made it, but we never thought would be there. Then we will be surprised by the people we were sure would make it and did not. The biggest surprise of all is that somehow we are there and we made it.are not Christians and are heading for hell.
One hopes that God received both of them, Corrie and the mean-guard, into heaven. One does not know it is so for either, but one hopes.As the story goes, there will be three surprises when we get to Heaven. We will be surprised by the people who made it, but we never thought would be there. Then we will be surprised by the people we were sure would make it and did not. The biggest surprise of all is that somehow we are there and we made it.
Corrie Tan Boon tells a story about the meanest guard in the concentration camp when was in with her sister. He told her that he knew God forgave him, but did she? Her answer was NO she did not. Over time God did a work in her heart and she did forgive him.
Just as individuals seek forgiveness from God for their own sins and shortcomings, they should also extend forgiveness to others who have wronged them.
We can even hope that there is a heaven. If Corrie did not make it, then none of us have a chance.One hopes that God received both of them, Corrie and the mean-guard, into heaven. One does not know it is so for either, but one hopes.
What is the reason for your hope? Why do you think Scripture has authority?What disturbs me is people taking that to mean that the Catholic Church is of similar authority as the Scriptures.
You've raised a useful question.What is the reason for your hope? Why do you think Scripture has authority?
There is a story about an old women that died and they were cleaning out her estate. They came across her Bible and when they opened it they saw a lot of scriptures with TTT next to them. At first they did not now what that means. They found out it means Test Tried & Found True.Why does any Christian grant authority in his life to what is written in the sacred scriptures
Can TTT apply to a community?There is a story about an old women that died and they were cleaning out her estate. They came across her Bible and when they opened it they saw a lot of scriptures with TTT next to them. At first they did not now what that means. They found out it means Test Tried & Found True.
You put the peddle to the metal and the rubber to the road and put it to the test to see if it works.
God himself is the reason for my hope. God says Scripture has authority, it being the word of God.What is the reason for your hope? Why do you think Scripture has authority?
But you rely on scripture for what you know of God, so is the proposition not circular?God himself is the reason for my hope. God says Scripture has authority, it being the word of God.
Scriptures are revelation knowledge that people have received. We still have our own dreams and revelations. We have the Holy Spirit and the angels. So there is a lot more than just the testimony of those who give us the Bible.But you rely on scripture for what you know of God,
It can apply to a community of believers if we see miracles and healings. Even sometimes there is a very thin line between being sick and having a nervous condition. We need to go beyond doctors, the power of suggestion and the placebo effect to claim a miracle from God.Can TTT apply to a community?
I see.Scriptures are revelation knowledge that people have received. We still have our own dreams and revelations. We have the Holy Spirit and the angels. So there is a lot more than just the testimony of those who give us the Bible.
I have no problem with the Catholic Church. It would do people a lot of good to follow the catechism.Sounds like you'd fit into the Catholic Church just fine.
I am looking for a people, or persons, or just a person, daily, who does not do this,"'You nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many other similar things.'" (Mark 7:13)
Agreed about the Catechism.I have no problem with the Catholic Church. It would do people a lot of good to follow the catechism.
Yes, of course it is circular. It is not entirely of logic that I trust in God and his word, but of faith, and that, not of myself —it is the gift of God.But you rely on scripture for what you know of God, so is the proposition not circular?
Yes, some people say that, but that too is circular - just self affirming stuff.Yes, of course it is circular. It is not entirely of logic that I trust in God and his word, but of faith, and that, not of myself —it is the gift of God.
That isn't really true.Funny thing is, in the final analysis, for anything you believe, in the end it is circular to believe in it.
One ought to mistrust them unless others confirm them and there is some evidence supportive of them.Why do you believe your eyes and your experience and your reasoning? Why do you trust your thoughts?
Sounds vaguely like something a less articulate version of Anselm might have say.And I find the notion that God should exist, to be more reasonable than even that I should exist —God being, by definition, uncaused— yet, apparently, here I am, so God certainly is.
Pretty close to true, eventually things come down to either a circular argument or a dogmattic argument, since the only possible ways to argue are either circular, dogmatic, or regressive and eventually you run out of regressive arguments. It's an unsolved problem in epistemology known as Munchaussen's trilemma.That isn't really true.
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