First day of US bishops’ meeting marked by division over Eucharist for abortion promoters

[Michie]

Do we have a list of the nay votes?

That’s the list I want as well.

 

[Davidnic]

I'm curious about that as well. Some of the bishops who were on the alleged list to not discuss it, put out clarifications that they wanted to discuss it in person not remotely because of the complications of 300 people talking on a remote meeting. And I can actually see that in relation to the list from a week or so ago.

I'll give some of them who had strong pro-life records the benefit of the doubt.

But this vote there would be no excuse to voting nay.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Do we have a list of the nay votes?

That’s the list I want as well.

I haven't seen or heard of one yet. I've gone through a lot of the video feed from the meeting for work the past few days, Cupich makes me sick.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Do we have a list of the nay votes?

It was only 55 votes apparently, so the forces of Cupich seem to be suffering more defections.

I expect that we will not find out because it was a closed session. But some bishops may spill some of the beans.

 

[Gnarwhal]

It was only 55 votes apparently, so the forces of Cupich seem to be suffering more defections.

I expect that we will not find out because it was a closed session. But some bishops may spill some of the beans.

The right side one, but I have a feeling the resulting document will still be flaccid to placate the Cupich crew. Meaning we'll still be at square one.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The right side one, but I have a feeling the resulting document will still be flaccid to placate the Cupich crew. Meaning we'll still be at square one.

Why do we even have any bishops favoring incoherence?

 

[Gnarwhal]

Why do we even have any bishops favoring incoherence?

That's the question of the day. The fact that there's a debate over this at all is the definition of absurd. It begs the question: do they want Catholics to believe incorrectly? Is that their intended outcome, that their flock believe wrongly?

If so, then may they be anathema.

The corruption is deeply calcified in the Church and nobody represents that better than Cupich, McElroy, Gregory and all the bishops of their stripe.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Democratic Rep Ted Lieu ‘dares’ the church to deny him communion.




Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu accuses Catholic bishops of hypocrisy, 'dares' the Church to deny him Communion

 

[chevyontheriver]

That's the question of the day. The fact that there's a debate over this at all is the definition of absurd. It begs the question: do they want Catholics to believe incorrectly? Is that their intended outcome, that their flock believe wrongly?

If so, then may they be anathema.

The corruption is deeply calcified in the Church and nobody represents that better than Cupich, McElroy, Gregory and all the bishops of their stripe.

It's like McCarrick never left.

My wife asked if he was in prison. Nope. He has disappeared after leaving Kansas. Presumably to some place nice and warm.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Democratic Rep Ted Lieu ‘dares’ the church to deny him communion.




Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu accuses Catholic bishops of hypocrisy, 'dares' the Church to deny him Communion

Wilton Gregory won't do it. His district is in the archdiocese of Los Angeles CA. So it's up to archbishop Gomez. One wonders. The gauntlet has been thrown down. Representative Lieu is weaponizing the Eucharist. Shame.

Dear @USCCB: I’m Catholic and I support: -Contraception -A woman’s right to choose -Treatments for infertility -The right for people to get a divorce -The right of same sex marriage Next time I go to Church, I dare you to deny me Communion.

 

[Gnarwhal]

It's like McCarrick never left.

My wife asked if he was in prison. Nope. He has disappeared after leaving Kansas. Presumably to some place nice and warm.

Oh yeah he's probably on a beach in the Azores with a cabana boy.

Wilton Gregory won't do it. His district is in the archdiocese of Los Angeles CA. So it's up to archbishop Gomez. One wonders. The gauntlet has been thrown down.

Nope Gregory won't do it. If anyone says "why don't you ordain women" just say "why bother when we have Wilton Gregory?" None of the LA bishops will do it either. Cordileone is the toughest bishop in California but even he comes up short. The fact that he's bemoaning the situation but told Eric Sammons he basically won't (yet) deny Nancy Pelosi communion is as much a betrayal as any of the others.

 

[Davidnic]

People who go on about weaponizing Holy Communion... I pointed out to someone the other day when politicians in New Orleans opposed integrating races and were in manifest open racism, the bishop there denied them communion. And wanted them to tell me that that was not okay.

The denial of the Eucharist prevents someone from weaponizing the Body of Christ against their own soul.

 

[Gnarwhal]

People who go on about weaponizing Holy Communion... I pointed out to someone the other day when politicians in New Orleans opposed integrating races and were in manifest open racism, the bishop there denied them communion. And wanted them to tell me that that was not okay.

The denial of the Eucharist prevents someone from weaponizing the Body of Christ against their own soul.

That should be the argument right there. It's already weaponized, so by denying them the Eucharist we're keeping them from hurting themselves. Like a kid handling a knife when they don't know what they're doing.

 

[Michie]

southern orders: A POWERFUL MAJORITY OF BISHOPS VOTED FOR EUCHARISTIC COHERENCE, BUT WHY IN THE NAME OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY DO THE BISHOPS NEED A VOTE ON THIS AND WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE ONES WHO VOTED AGAINST IT OR ABSTAINED?

 

[Michie]

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