First case of a child with 3 DNA strands

[mark kennedy]

First of all I hope you can overlook the source, it's a rather off beat religious site. The article was kind of interesting and I was wondering if anyone on here would take an interest.

I have always had a thing for paranormal, ufos and the Bermuda Triangle so I just happened upon this little bit of fluff.

Conclusion:
Our DNA is mutating, no doubt about it. The old human specie is evolving at a very high rate. We are regaining the lost DNA strands and we will consciously reconnect to the source. Nothing can and nothing will stop this process, because the Creation will make it manifest.

Our mission is to accept the new energy that is being sent to us and help the Creation modify our physical bodies. Do not fight evolution! Accept and embrace it! We are shaping -as we speak- the new human race. Our DNA is Mutating As We Speak! We Are Developing 12 Strands!​

Your thoughts...

 

[SharpSolaris]

Our DNA is mutating, no doubt about it. The old human specie is evolving at a very high rate.

God can do an upgrade for us? =)
It's not big news. Have long known that our DNA is changing. We had a mutation in the gene LCT T-13910 (digestibility of lactose and dairy products). Or we had mutation a gene that thwarts HIV infection (gene CCR5-Δ32). etc.
We can see it all now.

 

[Incariol]

God can do an upgrade for us? =)
It's not big news. Have long known that our DNA is changing. We had a mutation in the gene LCT T-13910 (digestibility of lactose and dairy products). Or we had mutation a gene that thwarts HIV infection (gene CCR5-Δ32). etc.
We can see it all now.

No, he's not talking about a mutation. He's claiming we are going from double-stranded DNA to triple-stranded DNA. Its nonsense.

 

[SharpSolaris]

No, he's not talking about a mutation. He's claiming we are going from double-stranded DNA to triple-stranded DNA. Its nonsense.

lol. How, then, will happen replication? But I dno't know, I'm not a geneticist. Сan be theoretically it is possible.

P.S. There is no difference two DNA strands, or 500. It is important what kind of information is encoded in them.

 

[Supreme]

I'm not quite sure how it would work. The base nucleotides need two strands- not sure how it'd work with three.

 

[mark kennedy]

Its some kind of a mutation but never heard of one quite like this one. I'm guessing the third strand isn't interfering much and it certainly isn't an adaptation.

By the way the CCR5 gene is marked by a dysfunctional receptor, looked this one up a couple of times. HIV basically swims around in a protein coated shell that looks a little like a lunar module. It finds a suitable receptor and injects the retrovirus. Since it targets the T Cells it makes the immune system vulnerable.

At any rate, it's not an adaptation.

As far as us evolving based on mutations it was an interesting thought. Really didn't bother to track this one down, just curious what some of the posters thought of it.

 

[Incariol]

Its some kind of a mutation but never heard of one quite like this one. I'm guessing the third strand isn't interfering much and it certainly isn't an adaptation.

I fail to see how, since the cellular mechanisms in Eukaryotes aren't evolved to handle triple stranded DNA. This is an obvious hoax.

 

[Vatis]

Chemically this is absolute nonsense.
How would it fit?
More to the point we would need an entirely different set of enzymes, proteins and ribosomes.
Just not possible.

 

[Incariol]

Chemically this is absolute nonsense.
How would it fit?
More to the point we would need an entirely different set of enzymes, proteins and ribosomes.
Just not possible.

Thank you!

 

[mark kennedy]

I fail to see how, since the cellular mechanisms in Eukaryotes aren't evolved to handle triple stranded DNA. This is an obvious hoax.

I think so to, the random ignorance of the article alone is staggering:

The Genome Project decoded only approximately 3% of the total physical DNA. The remaining 97% was then termed "junk", inferring it has no purpose. The truth is that the human body is extremely efficient and anything that is of no use becomes atrophied and is evolved out of existence within a few generations.​

The Human Genome project sequenced the entire human genome and they are continually working to produce comparative genomes from various individuals.

It's a lot like a conspiracy theory where they only cite other conspiracy theorists.

 

[Blayz]

They are describing a rare aneuploidy. The child in question has a an extra copy of a bit of one chromosme added onto another. Versions of this are what cause Down's syndrome.

It's not that some part of the DNA suddenly has a triple helix.

This is the most ironic part, from the article

Medics also have no idea whether his condition will improve or reduce his life expectancy.

Brave Alfie Clamp was born blind and with severe disabilities, which led doctors to carry out various tests... and he will have an operation this month to fix an intestinal problem caused by his condition...Within days, he was rushed back to hospital after he stopped breathing and his lips turned blue.

 

[mark kennedy]

They are describing a rare aneuploidy. The child in question has a an extra copy of a bit of one chromosme added onto another. Versions of this are what cause Down's syndrome.

It's not that some part of the DNA suddenly has a triple helix.

This is the most ironic part, from the article

What do you think the chances are that there is a shred of truth to the article? It just interested me, that's the only reason I brought it up. It just sounds like some kind of new age fluff, nothing more. As a matter of fact I cannot find so much as a tabloid article on this.

 

[sfs]

What do you think the chances are that there is a shred of truth to the article? It just interested me, that's the only reason I brought it up. It just sounds like some kind of new age fluff, nothing more. As a matter of fact I cannot find so much as a tabloid article on this.

There are several news articles on the story around the web (just search for "alfie clamp"). They also seem to have the same limited amount of information. From the description, it certainly sounds like an unusual form of (partial) trisomy of chromosome seven, as Blayz suggested. Partial and complete trisomies (three copies, rather than two) of a chromosome are quite common; it's just the form that this one takes, an extra arm on the chromosome, that is unusual. Trisomy is never a good thing. The only complete trisomy that often leads to a live birth is trisomy of chromosome 21, which is the cause of Down's Syndrome; trisomies of other chromosomes are more severe.

It's kind of disgusting that that web site would take this tragedy as ground for new age grandstanding.

 

[Delphiki]

I'm fairly certain this is both chemically and mechanically impossible.

Chemically: Each nucleotide requires it's specific counter part to chemically bond.
Mechanically: You can't take a coat zipper and zip 3 halves together.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Triple-stranded DNA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Delphiki]

Triple-stranded DNA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting hypothesis.

 

[TheReasoner]

I'm fairly certain this is both chemically and mechanically impossible.

Chemically: Each nucleotide requires it's specific counter part to chemically bond.
Mechanically: You can't take a coat zipper and zip 3 halves together.

I concur. You might, with more complex molecules, form a triple helix. Collagen does. But DNA? Hmmm. Well, I'll be humble enough to say that I see it as highly unlikely. You'd need something other than DNA to do so. And even if you could transcribe it into RNA you'd need a lot of very basic restructuring. All proteins in both the chromatin, as well as all the structures related to transcribing the DNA would have to be rewritten. Besides, the DNA molecule would be a lot stiffer due to sterical considerations so packaging wouldn't be as efficient.

FURTHERMORE: The article shows a rather bad lack of understanding of basic evolution. We don't evolve new strands of DNA. The two strands we have alter. This isn't a 'mutation' they describe. It's basically a new life form based on some other way of storing it's genetic information.
(Besides: the introns aren't really 'junk', they have a vital role to play in how the different fenotypes express their genes)

Anyway. Thanks for a chuckle Nothing beats a good conspiracy theory for some decent procrastination

 

[sfs]

I'm fairly certain this is both chemically and mechanically impossible.

Chemically: Each nucleotide requires it's specific counter part to chemically bond.
Mechanically: You can't take a coat zipper and zip 3 halves together.

It's extremely unlikely that triple-stranded DNA would be possible here. But it's clear from news accounts that what's involved is an extra chromosome arm, not triple-stranded DNA. Never underestimate the ability of people and reporters to misunderstand science stories.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Geez, what a pile of crap that article linked in the OP was.

This is probably just a rare duplication event of chromosome 7, which is so rare that it doesn't have a name. The idea that a new strand suddenly jumped into the DNA is utter nonsense. Any change that drastic like that would 1) be difficult to imagine physically or chemically and 2) be lethal before the 2 cell stage of the embryo. Keep in mind that having 3 copies (as opposed to 2) of ANY somatic chromosome other than 21, 18, or 13 is lethal in utero. Trisomies 18 and 13 are lethal in the neonatal period. Genomes do not like big changes.

 

[USincognito]

Your thoughts...

I only needed to read one word - "specie".